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Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's a question I believe hasn't been posted in this thread:

What does your Shepard, or what do your various Shepards - as opposed to you - think of Miranda and why? Of course there's no accounting for love, but apart from that it's usually pretty obvious why someone appreciates another. This also applies to femSheps. If your Shepard dislikes her, that's also OK but keep it civil, please. Like, dislike, professional appreciation, wariness, reserved trust - what is it? And why?

(I'll post my stuff later - don't want to kill this question with a wall of text)


I'll go with my main as I can't even begin to think of the ten other ones.

You know what, screw it, I think this parody of way you lie is the best way to show it.

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Yeah. Thane fans have us beat. Besides, I always viewed torture as a mark of affection from a writer, unless it's obvious bashing. If I don't like a character, I ignore them. I don't give them juicy plot hooks.



So I have one game in which Miranda is dead, one in which she is systematically broken until she's a shell of her former self under the guise of romance, and two where she's genuinely loved. I'm vaguely disturbed by how easy it is to RP as abusive. Andrew thinks she's his right as savior of the galaxy. He stops her from shooting Niket, doesn't tell her to speak with Oriana, "accidentally" kills Jacob, and destroys the base. She has no one and nothing but him. And he's molding her into the perfect trophy girlfriend. Somebody kill this creep.



Aliana and Gavin both love her. Equally. Maybe Aliana a bit more, even if it's platonic. If anything ever happened to Miranda, she'd do everything in her power to re-create Lazarus. I suggest the Reapers kidnap Miranda instead of her LI if they want to play that game.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I think the Thane fans have everyone beat here ^_^  Since he's, you know, DYING.  As opposed to Put On A Bus or infertile.


Maybe but Thane is far more probable to receive some sort of cure than Miranda. So by ME3 Thane could lose the "Oh by the way. I'm dying" angle. Win for everyone. ^_^

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jtav wrote...

Yeah. Thane fans have us beat. Besides, I always viewed torture as a mark of affection from a writer, unless it's obvious bashing. If I don't like a character, I ignore them. I don't give them juicy plot hooks.


Haha.  I'm the same way.  I AM a bit of a sucker for happy endings, which probably means I go easier on characters than other writers, but dammit, it has to be earned.  

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Evenin' folks, just droppin by with a couple of screens I took while on the suicide mission.



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I got a long way to go in my fic to reach that point... sigh...

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Question, I'm going full renegade for my next playthrough in ME 2 and I was wondering if it was possible to romance Miranda even if I go for renegade conversation options? If yes, are there any instances when I have to choose paragon to pursue her.

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yesikareyes wrote...
Question, I'm going full renegade for my next playthrough in ME 2 and I was wondering if it was possible to romance Miranda even if I go for renegade conversation options? If yes, are there any instances when I have to choose paragon to pursue her.


You can explore the conversations in the Miranda online dialogue tree (intermittently hard to reach as I just found). It's usually very obvious where you don't want to choose the Renegade options. Here are the times to be careful:

(1) Siding with Jack in the conflict between them will prevent Miranda's romance from starting. You can regain Miranda's loyalty, but once you've sided with Jack, Miranda won't trust you enough for more than a professional relationship.
(2) If you select the neutral option ("I'm glad to help") in the loyalty mission debrief, the romance will not start. You must select the upper option ("It's nice to see you smile").
(3) At one point in the third romance conversation (conversation 4 in the dialogue tree), Miranda asks you "What is this......?". Answering "it's nothing" will end the romance.
(4) You can also end the romance when Miranda comes to tell you she's cleared the engine room, and say you're not interested any more.

Otherwise, using the lower options (I hesitate to call them Renegade options) in conversations gives the romance a different mood. It's also the only way to get the kiss scene. Choices in the loyalty mission about Niket or speaking with Oriana will have no effect on the romance except that the loyalty mission debriefing runs a bit differently.

BTW, the romance might feel more convincing if you play a Renegon instead of a pure Renegade. IMO Renegade Shepard's too much of a jerk for Miranda to be interested in him, just as a pure Paragon is too much of a babe.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:56 .


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Very beautiful, JK. Though the artistic license regarding the chest size might have turned out a little generous.



I wish I could take Miranda with me to Hock's party in that dress.

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

jtav wrote...
Yeah. Thane fans have us beat. Besides, I always viewed torture as a mark of affection from a writer, unless it's obvious bashing. If I don't like a character, I ignore them. I don't give them juicy plot hooks.


Haha.  I'm the same way.  I AM a bit of a sucker for happy endings, which probably means I go easier on characters than other writers, but dammit, it has to be earned. 

I love happy endings too, regardless of the depth of the darkness they have to wander before. Only that my happy endings rarely involve families. I'm particularly attracted to "walk off into the sunset together" endings. Leaves things nice and open and doesn't close off further stories like a family ending does.

As for Miranda, I do agree that giving someone problems may be a mark of affection and often makes the character more interesting, only I can't see the infertility as an interesting plot hook. Not when ME3 isn't likely to deal with personal problems that might appear as insignificant in the bigger picture, even if they're not if you think about it. And Thane has been known to be under a death sentence right from the start, so all his know what they've gotten themselves into. Miranda's infertility has been sprung on us after the fact.

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Thats an amazingly supportive dress!

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Ieldra2 wrote...

I wish I could take Miranda with me to Hock's party in that dress.


In my mind, the conversation for infiltrating Hock's party went like this:

Kasumi:  So here's your suit and--
ManShep: ...kid, the last time I wore a suit was in f-ing high school.  I can't do this, I just can't.
Kasumi: You can fight Reapers, punch out thresher maws, save the galaxy...and a party is scary how?
ManShep:  You don't understand.  Things EXPLODE around me.  And it's not my fault!  Usually...
Miranda:  *sigh*  He's right, this is a terrible idea.  Give me a dress and a half hour.  It's less trouble...and fewer explosions.
ManShep: :wub:
Miranda:  <_< You owe me for this, Shepard.

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Oh thank you so much! that'll be a big help :)

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Ieldra2 wrote...
I love happy endings too, regardless of the depth of the darkness they have to wander before. Only that my happy endings rarely involve families. I'm particularly attracted to "walk off into the sunset together" endings. Leaves things nice and open and doesn't close off further stories like a family ending does.


Same here.  I really don't like "and then you had this many kids and ate cream of wheat for breakfast every day" endings.  I was ok with the more vague DA:O endings, even though they upset a lot of folks because ZOMG they weren't for certain with Alistair forever :pinched:

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Unfortunately, we can't say anything about Miri's decision on the Collector Base because the BW writers had to placate the kids by making even the Cerberus loyalist, who is supposedly 'pure fascist evil' according to a few dimwits out there, say that keeping the base is 'evil'.Posted Image Too bad they can't see that it's all shades of gray. Anyways...

Katherine Shepard (Canon Paragade, 50/50): The Sentinel War Hero who didn't quite like Miranda on Lazarus (the sudden shooting of Wilson made Katie have a pretty dim view of Miranda), but respected the fact that Miranda is a highly competent and super effective squadmate and XO as her background as a spacer kid made her recognise Miranda's worth. They eventually talked till they became good friends just before recruiting Jack, and they had a standoff when recruiting Jack. However, that was forgotten when Miranda approached Katie for help on saving her sister. Katie discovered the real Miranda and she fell in love with our favorite Cerberus operative. Thus the romance began, and LotSB only served to strengthen their bond.Posted Image No previous romance.

Russell Shepard (Paragade, mostly Paragon): This Infiltrator had pretty much the same story as Katie, but he liked Miranda and was intrigued by her from the start. Bye-bye Ash.

Jessica Shepard (Paragade, but Renegade 80% of the time): The Sentinel ruthless colonist really bonded with Miranda right from the start as she liked the brunette's willingness to get the job done at any cost. Ended up sleeping with Miranda as well, even though they bicker about whether or not Jess should've blown the base. Dumped Kaidan, the douchebag.Posted Image

Chloe Shepard (Almost always Paragon): The Adept earthie sole survivor couldn't stand Miranda at first because, well, Miranda was so devoted to Cerberus and Chloe was almost killed by Cerberus' Threshers. However, they  became friends, and now both Chloe and Miranda are gal pals, while Chloe cuddles with Thane every night, forgetting Liara.Posted Image

Cheryl Shepard (Paragade, 75/25): The ruthless spacer Vanguard was almost over the moon that she found another so much like her and understood the need to get missions accomplished no matter what. Dumped Liara for this girl that was so much like her, but Miranda's uneasy about Cheryl keeping the base.

Taylor Shepard (Paragon almost all the time): This Sentinel spacer and war hero was about to just ask Miranda to f**k off at the nearest port as the 2 women couldn't get along. After time, Taylor came to respect Miranda for who she was, and Miranda was fully loyal to Taylor. Gal pals now, especially after Miranda resigned and Taylor found out about Miranda's infertility. Romanced Thane, dropped Kaidan.

Carina Shepard (Almost always Renegade): The ruthless earhtie Adept is pretty much the opposite of  Chloe, instantly taking a liking to the'ruthless b**ch' that was just like her, and well...Carina and Miranda are sharing the bed now, arguing about why the base was allowed to live and why Carina's hogging the blanket again.Posted Image

Olivia Shepard (Paragade, 75/25): The sole survivor spacer and Infiltrator was torn between b**chslapping Miranda for her undying loyalty to Cerberus and accepting Miranda as a friend. Eventually ended up being BFFs with Miranda and became Thane's siha. No previous romance.

Thomas Shepard (Paragade, 50/50): The spacer war hero Vanguard kept Miranda in the 'acquaintance zone' until he saw her in action on Omega. They kept talking, and Thomas was intrigued by Miranda and kept coming back to her, chipping away her defenses until both fell in love. No previous romance.

Michael Shepard (Renegade most of the time): The ruthless colonist and Soldier simply saw Miranda as a hot piece of arse at first, but eventually came to love her for a lot more than just her looks. LotSB really made Michael cling on to Miranda. Dumped Ashley as they had 'trust issues'.Posted Image

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Modifié par MsSihaKatieKrios, 28 janvier 2011 - 01:42 .


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Double post...

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Oh not again...BSN, Y U NO WORK PROPERLY?!!

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Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I wish I could take Miranda with me to Hock's party in that dress.


In my mind, the conversation for infiltrating Hock's party went like this:

Kasumi:  So here's your suit and--
ManShep: ...kid, the last time I wore a suit was in f-ing high school.  I can't do this, I just can't.
Kasumi: You can fight Reapers, punch out thresher maws, save the galaxy...and a party is scary how?
ManShep:  You don't understand.  Things EXPLODE around me.  And it's not my fault!  Usually...
Miranda:  *sigh*  He's right, this is a terrible idea.  Give me a dress and a half hour.  It's less trouble...and fewer explosions.
ManShep: :wub:
Miranda:  <_< You owe me for this, Shepard.

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I can see it happening! 

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I can so see it.



Does anyone have the resignation scene memorized by chance? Norma;;y I'd approximate, but I'm making a point of using the romance dialog word-for-word.

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I guess it's time to answer my own question and tell what my Shepards think and feel about Miranda:

Cyrus Shepard (canon maleShep), neutral Engineer, Spacer/Sole Survivor:
He's respected Miranda from their first meeting, even though her statement about the control chip made him hesistate to follow-up on the instant attraction. Their relationship grew out of professional respect and a similar way of looking at things. Like him, Miranda can do what's necessary to complete a mission. Like him, she's working towards a better future for humanity. Like him, she's emotionally detached and rarely lets anyone see what she feels. Like him, she has a strong pragmatic streak without having become callous. Cyrus has had few true friends, but he felt that Miranda could be one. Since his political values are in accord with Cerberus stated goals of human advancement, he has no problem with her Cerberus association, though he sees the need to curb its excesses.
All in all, for him Miranda is a woman as if made to his specifications. Not that he'd voice that thought lightly, given her history. That their relationship deepened into more than friendship is a favor of the universe. Also, he considers Miranda and her sister as more important for humanity than himself.

Rhea Shepard (canon femShep), Paragade Infiltrator, Colonist/War Hero
Rhea Shepard was trained in covert operations and has a history as an assassin for an ultra-secret branch of Alliance intelligence. When she and Miranda met, it was like a meeting of long-lost sisters. Their co-operation on missions comes so naturally and seamlessly that other members of the team have joked about asari mind-melding suddenly manifesting in humans. Rhea sees Miranda as her best friend she can always rely on, with a disposition for being straightforward when there is no need for secrecy as one of her most admirable qualities.
Their relationship has so far stayed platonic and shows no signs of changing, since both aren't sexually attracted to women as a rule. However, in all other matters they are as close as lovers. Miranda may be the only one Rhea has come to trust. That trust does not extend to Cerberus, which is a frequent topic of debate between them.

Rani Shepard, Paragade Engineer, Earthborn/Sole Survivor
Rani Shepard is somewhat intimidated by Miranda. She also has a deep distrust of Cerberus because of Akuze. Their relationship thus started on a bad footing. Things changed on the loyalty mission when Miranda showed Rani her dedication to protecting her sister. From there on, they've worked well together, but nonetheless Rani hasn't come to like Miranda as a person, even though she shares a few personality traits with her. Cerberus still stands between them, and there has been no opportunity to change that because Rani was forced by necessity to leave the Collector base to them. **Hopefully I'll have a chance to remedy that in ME3**

May Shepard, Renegon Adept, Spacer/Sole Survivor
May Shepard is a diehard Cerberus supporter. As such, she has no problems with Miranda's affiliation and actually likes her for her pragmatism, but occasionally thinks Miranda is too soft. She thinks Miranda's genetic engineering is a great opportunity and she should "get over it" and not hold herself back because of her history. There is mutual respect between them and they work well together, but May hasn't got any friends but Liara so some distance remains between them. 

Andrash Shepard, Paragade Sentinel, Earthborn/Sole Survivor
Andrash Shepard was determined to keep away from love affairs. They only make things complicated. When he first met Miranda, he thought of her as nothing but "a nice piece of ass". Needless to say, that opinion didn't last long, and their professional relationship and respect grew with every mission they did together. Even then he remained determined to keep away, and when he kissed Miranda it came as much of a surprise for him as it came for her. He's still not sure that he wants anyone as more than a friend, but is quite aware that he'll never find anyone else who could keep up with him. And he wouldn't have anyone else, if at all.
For Andrash Shepard Akuze is long in the past. The media and the psychiatrists make more of it than he does. It poses no problems for their relationship, though he does hope he'll never discover any link between Miranda and Akuze.
  

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Ieldra, your canon FemShep is scarily similar to my own. I'm actually considering replaying her as single throughout the series, just because she doesn't take the Kaidan or Thane relationship nearly as seriously. They're just a way to let off steam.

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jtav wrote...
Ieldra, your canon FemShep is scarily similar to my own. I'm actually considering replaying her as single throughout the series, just because she doesn't take the Kaidan or Thane relationship nearly as seriously. They're just a way to let off steam.

I've had a similar problem. Rhea's the one with Kaidan, Rani's the single. So far. It would be so much easier the other way round, except if I only replayed Rhea, I'd have two singles and no one with Kaidan->none. I've Kaidan covered with Louise (not in the previous post) but she switched to Jacob in ME2 (don't look at me like that). 
As for Rhea and Miranda: that was actually easier to imagine than Cyrus' romance. Rhea is one of my first ME1 characters, and she's grown on me quite a bit. Cyrus is very defined in any other respects, but I'm having some difficulty with romance in general. Others do that better than I.

BTW, I don't have the resignation ending memorized but there are some ending videos with Miranda resigning floating around on youtube. Some may be linked in the group. I'm also keenly aware that I don't know if we see Miranda resigning if we don't take her to the final boss, for I have always taken her there in my 8 games. I guess she doesn't appear since she has other things to do like holding the line. Or am I wrong?


 

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Found this few seconds ago....

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Well I could take the opportunity to get Aliana up to level 60. I might just do that. Of course, I'd need to do another Kaidan/Thane Shepard, but that's not as much a problem. It feels wrong to romance someone with her.



And I found a video on Youtube. So all ready to write. No excerpts for obvious reasons.