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[Ieldra]

Heh...I'm spoiled by JeanLuc's high-res Miranda mod. I accidentally started ME2 without it and immediately noticed that something was wrong.

@snfonseka:
If you're wondering about the lack of responses, that picture was posted a few days ago.

@MsSiha:
Wow, you have a lot of Shepards. I have eight and already some difficulties in keeping them apart. At least the femSheps can be kept apart by their romances, but the maleSheps all romance Miranda.

@jtav:
I always cheat my way to level 60 before the final battle instead of starting a new game at level 57. Too much work for so many Shepards. It was easier when I only had one game of 20 hours to replay, but now? No way I'm going through ME1 twice for one replay.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2011 - 06:43 .

[Prudii Aden]

Ieldra, that's pretty much the reason why I'm waiting for Genesis to pitch up for the PC. I really can't be arsed with replaying ME just so I can have a kept everyone but the Council playthrough.

[jtav]

Oh, I'll be cheating, but the LI situation grates. I know it won't affect much, but Aliana is far closer to Miranda. I'd should probably go all the way and romance her, but it's awkward enough that I don't want to do that. Aliana would turn things romantic if Miranda ever asked.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Oh, I'll be cheating, but the LI situation grates. I know it won't affect much, but Aliana is far closer to Miranda. I'd should probably go all the way and romance her, but it's awkward enough that I don't want to do that. Aliana would turn things romantic if Miranda ever asked.

What I usually do in such situations is to replay from Virmire and leave my not-to-be-anymore LI to die. Since I always do Virmire last and always after all sidequests but the 80%-Paragon/Renegade missions, that means I'll have to replay two or three hours at most instead of 20.
It's ME2 that's the bigger chunk, no less than 30 hours if you do all sidequests. Maybe I could push it down to 25 if I played on Casual and skipped dialogue, but I won't skip dialogue except in repeated test runs of scenes.

@Prudii Aden:
I like the little references and minor characters from ME1 in ME2. With Genesis, I'd only have the major decisions covered. No Gianna Parasini, no news about Kate Bowman, no Rana Thanoptis etc. etc.. For that reason I'd always replay ME1. If I want to play faster, I can always skip the collection quests and play on Casual. That will lower the time spent to less than ten hours.

I wonder how Gianna Parasini and Miranda would get along.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[jtav]

I think they'd get along fantastically. They're both tough and no nonsense women who make a living in undercover work, I can actually see them crossing paths since I suspect Miranda has done quite a lot of corporate espionage.

[tvr321]

Whilst I have never posted in this thread before, I fully support it! I am mostly a lurker and not much of a poster until i want to know something or if I absolutely have to tell someone they're wrong



So anyway, concerning the dossiers in LOTSB, a lot of people often mention that you can tell how you have changed Miranda as an LI judging by her dossiers. I didn't really see anything in there about Sheperd's influence on her. Are they referring to her chat with her sister? Or am I missing something?



Thanks, and long live this thread!

[Vertigo_1]

Prudii Aden wrote...

Ieldra, that's pretty much the reason why I'm waiting for Genesis to pitch up for the PC. I really can't be arsed with replaying ME just so I can have a kept everyone but the Council playthrough.

You could always create a ME1 save through the Gibbed Save editor (and import that into ME2)

Its a little complicated (explained here) but I got it to work for my Infiltrator whom I wanted to have different background, VS, sidequests etc...

[Caihn]

@tvr321

You certainly missed this conversation :

Modifié par Yannkee, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

tvr321 wrote...
So anyway, concerning the dossiers in LOTSB, a lot of people often mention that you can tell how you have changed Miranda as an LI judging by her dossiers. I didn't really see anything in there about Sheperd's influence on her. Are they referring to her chat with her sister? Or am I missing something?

I've always found the LotSB dossiers something of a parody, something not to be taken seriously. Except the infertility, which can't be put off because it's a real problem.

But if you want, you can interpret two elements of the dossier as indicative of a change in Miranda:

*She unsubscribes to a scientific journal and subscribes to a fashion magazine. Some people might see that as indicative of a change in focus - she's not exclusively focused on her professional life any more. I hate that interpretation and rather think that Miranda, who is used to using her appearance to influence others, will of course always have been interested in both, and she might have unsubscribed the journal because she needed it for Lazarus and now doesn't need it any more.

*She has a chat with Oriana. That means she's now connecting with people she cares about more than before. She only does that if you've talked her into it on her LM. That is a real change that wouldn't have occured if not for Shepard's influence.

Having said that, while I really love that Liara and Shepard talk about Shepard's and Miranda's relationship, I very much dislike how Liara says Shepard has changed Miranda. While it is in some way true that some of Miranda's character development wouldn't have occured had Shepard not been present, phrasing it like that makes it appear as if Shepard is the agent and Miranda only reacts to him. She's made into nothing but Shepard's satellite. Miranda has a mind - and a heart - of her own, damn it.

BTW:
Welcome to the thread. I hope you're not put off by the occasional fiery debate flaring up. We try to avoid touching contentious issues as much as we can, but sometimes it just doesn't work.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[jtav]

Agreed with Ieldra. I hate that little speech. The intent is good, but the execution deprives her of her agency. I don't want to change Miranda. I want her to change herself.

[Caihn]

I love this conversation, it's the most interesting thing about Miranda, with her conversation with her sister, in LotSB.
It confirmed my opinion about Miranda's character development, and I was glad to hear Shepard saying that he cares about her once again.

Modifié par Yannkee, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:49 .

[Melra]

Yannkee wrote...

I love this conversation, it's the most interesting thing about Miranda, with her conversation with her sister, in LotSB.
It confirmed my opinion about Miranda's character development, and I was glad to hear Shepard saying that he cares about her once again.

Same, I liked it a lot, I wish there was more feedback from other characters. 

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I love this conversation, it's the most interesting thing about Miranda, with her conversation with her sister, in LotSB.
It confirmed my opinion about Miranda's character development, and I was glad to hear Shepard saying that he cares about her once again.

Same, I liked it a lot, I wish there was more feedback from other characters. 

Well, there is Kasumi.
"It's really weird to see Miranda smiling while she's working. And it's all because of you. Be gentle with her, Shepard."

Modifié par Yannkee, 28 janvier 2011 - 08:55 .

[Ieldra]

My dislike only extends to the phrasing of the statement about how much Shepard has changed Miranda - and the content if the phrasing is meant to convey what we can expect in ME3. I like everything else, especially since in my games, this is usually the first time that Shepard admits he cares about her. As for other times, there is Kasumi telling you how much Miranda is smiling lately. I like that, and it doesn't have that vibe of Shepard-the-almighty-shaping-LIs-to-his-will.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 janvier 2011 - 09:05 .

[jtav]

I like the chat with Oriana and don't mind iPartners chat when I try to put it into the ME2 timeline. The infertility I like in some ways and dislike in others. But if that chat is a harbinger of her direction in ME3, I don't want her in my game. I don't want yet another ambiguous character transformed by the hero.

[Melra]

I am not getting that vibe, I am not even sure what's so wrong about someone changing other person, if it isn't done forcefully. I'll love the character anyway, I wonder what kind of softie she'll be by the end of ME3.

[Caihn]

Melrache wrote...

I am not getting that vibe, I am not even sure what's so wrong about someone changing other person, if it isn't done forcefully.

I agree.

I'll love the character anyway, I wonder what kind of softie she'll be by the end of ME3.

haha, me too 

Modifié par Yannkee, 28 janvier 2011 - 09:19 .

[Ieldra]

Yeah, laugh at my fears. Maybe they're unwarranted. Really, I very much want to be proven wrong in this, and not see Miranda turned into a copy of the stereotypical protagonist's satellite type we've all seen too many times. But until then, forgive me if I treat the least little sign of that with suspicion and dislike.

[JeanLuc761]

Melrache wrote...

I am not getting that vibe, I am not even sure what's so wrong about someone changing other person, if it isn't done forcefully. I'll love the character anyway, I wonder what kind of softie she'll be by the end of ME3.

I personally hope she doesn't turn into a complete softie as that would be a bit jarring.  However, if they make her character like...well, like Sarah Walker but maybe a little more of a hardass, that would be fitting.

[jtav]

I want to be proven wrong too, but like Ieldra I'm very fearful because I've seen too many characters derailed to make them acceptable to the majority, especially female characters. I like Miranda because she's competent, independent, and not always the most moral person and the galaxy. "Softie" Miranda would sicken me more than I can possibly say. It's the personality I fell for, that combination of dedication, ruthlessness, and devotion to those she cares for. All of it. I don't want some conventional heroine that just looks and sounds like her.

And if I wanted Sarah Walker, I'd be watching Chuck.

Modifié par jtav, 28 janvier 2011 - 09:27 .

[Ryzaki]

I agree with you jtav. Miranda's fine the way she is.

[Melra]

Her being warm and soft, doesn't make her any less of an interesting character, if one has to be cold and calculative to be great character, I don't really know what to say....



Sarah Walker is neat example though, but I don't think Miri will be screaming out Shepard's name each time he screws up something and gets into trouble over it. She can still be softie for him in other ways.

[JeanLuc761]

Melrache wrote...

Her being warm and soft, doesn't make her any less of an interesting character, if one has to be cold and calculative to be great character, I don't really know what to say....

Sarah Walker is neat example though, but I don't think Miri will be screaming out Shepard's name each time he screws up something and gets into trouble over it. She can still be softie for him in other ways.

Well the only reason I thought of Sarah Walker is because the characters share a lot of similarities.  Matter of fact, I'd say they share more similarities than they do differences.  Sarah is incredibly cold at times, but she's also warm when the occasion calls for it.  Now, I want Miranda to retain more of the ruthlessness than Sarah did in her character evolution, but the character arc is about the same.

[Caihn]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Melrache wrote...

Her being warm and soft, doesn't make her any less of an interesting character, if one has to be cold and calculative to be great character, I don't really know what to say....

Sarah Walker is neat example though, but I don't think Miri will be screaming out Shepard's name each time he screws up something and gets into trouble over it. She can still be softie for him in other ways.

Well the only reason I thought of Sarah Walker is because the characters share a lot of similarities.  Matter of fact, I'd say they share more similarities than they do differences.  Sarah is incredibly cold at times, but she's also warm when the occasion calls for it.  Now, I want Miranda to retain more of the ruthlessness than Sarah did in her character evolution, but the character arc is about the same.

Indeed, they share a lot of similarities, but I don't think Miri will become as soft as Sarah Walker.
But I agree with Melrache, a softer/more emotional Miranda doesn't make her less interesting.

[JeanLuc761]

Yannkee wrote...


Indeed, they share a lot of similarities, but I don't think Miri will become as soft as Sarah Walker.
But I agree with Melrache, a softer/more emotional Miranda doesn't make her less interesting.

Agreed.  The main problem is that it's really, really easy to go too far and turn her into a character that's almost unrecognizable.