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[revan11exile]

enayasoul wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

She'd be something like Sarah in Chuck. Still super competent, highly efficient and kickass operative ice queen(with less ice), but around Shep, she's a warm, caring and passionate woman. Who's a little awkard at times.

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I totally agree with this!  Yes, I can also see Miranda and Shepard challenging each other.  "Make me..."  Line.

Oh please BioWare make this happen that would be cool if Miri told Shepard that 

[Loki330]

Look up 'Kuudere' on tvtropes and you've got what I personally interpret Miranda as.

[ADLegend21]

Some Miranda screenshots from her LM.









Shep & Miri: what the hell is that?



Love this shot





Obligatory.....

[Sable Rhapsody]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd like to see her subtly challenging and funny rather than soft, someone who draws Shepard out instead of giving in to him. Miranda is very well placed to fit that "slot", so to speak, since we already have the hero-worship version covered with Tali.

This is seriously my favorite element of Miranda's romance, if played as a Renegon (not complete jerkass Renegade) Shepard.  There's laughter and snark and quite a bit of head-butting.  They challenge and strengthen each other.  You can show that the two characters care about each other and respect one another without overtly romantic dialogue or gestures.

[SgtPotato]

Not only Miranda is a Cerberus operative, but she's a time traveler as well.

[Ieldra]

JeanLuc's mod gives a new quality to scenes we've known for long. Here some screenshots from Minuteman Station:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 janvier 2011 - 11:17 .

[GuitarShredUK]

SgtPotato wrote...



Not only Miranda is a Cerberus operative, but she's a time traveler as well.

Loved this episode of Chuck, not least about seeing Yvonne Strahovski take up her second major character in real life which is awesome in itself. It's great that the team managed to work in a well done (IMO) ME reference: "I love a suicide mission" speaking from past experience, obviously 

[LuxDragon]

Don' you mean 'future' experiance? Or maybe you're right and it's 'past' experiance...

Whoa... dude...

[Ieldra]

Here's another question for Miranda fans to consider:

What kind of an epilogue do you want for her, or for her and Shepard, if romanced.

I'd like the following options, based on decisions in the games:

Option set 1 (all conceived of as romance-compatible):
*Miranda takes over Cerberus and reshapes it along the lines of the salarian STG
or
*Miranda leads a new black-ops division of the Alliance (if Cerberus is destroyed)
or
*Miranda and Shepard leave Citadel space for unknown reaches (only if romanced)

Option set 2:
*Miranda can cure her infertility (no actual children mentioned)
or
*Miranda must live with it (no actual children mentioned)

Hmm, there was more, but I don't recall. So, what would you like?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[yesikareyes]

Is there anyone here who saw what Miranda looked like in the cinematic trailer of ME2? She looked so gorgeous there, I'm not saying she doesn't look good in game but if I was asked which version I liked better. I would go with her look in the trailer



In case you haven't seen it... here you go!

[Ieldra]

I think most of us here know the trailer. I agree she looks great there, but it's not the Miranda I've come to like in the game - her skin's not as pale, her hair's not as dark, and a few facial features are subtly different. So, the trailer Miranda is better rendered (or is she filmed - it looks light she might've been), but I like in-game Miranda better. Imagine how in-game Miranda would look if she'd been animated and rendered as well as trailer Miranda? That's how I always try to imagine her in my mind.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 10:26 .

[yesikareyes]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Option set 1 (all conceived of as romance-compatible):
*Miranda takes over Cerberus and reshapes it along the lines of the salarian STG
or
*Miranda leads a new black-ops division of the Alliance (if Cerberus is destroyed)

Option set 2:
*Miranda can cure her infertility (no actual children mentioned)
or
*Miranda must live with it (no actual children mentioned)

Here are the options that I would consider. I could picture Miranda taking over Cerberus after some epic in your face confrontation with the Illusive Man. Maybe Shepard can help her do this along ME 3 and in return you get a very powerful ally which is Cerberus and it's private army. For the second one, if you destroyed the collector base then most probably Shepard would start being official again by having the full support of the alliance and council which might lead to Miranda being recruited by Councilor Anderson.

As for option set 2, I can live with Miranda being infertile or not but I hope if she does get cured it wouldn't be a cheesy scene where they have a child. I'm hoping for something subtle so the fans would go crazy over interpreting the epilogue like Miranda and Shepard looking far across the void of space while Shepard slowly touches her stomach or something haha.

[Ieldra]

I'd like it to be subtle and un-cheesy as well - but your scene is anything but that. I'd like some dialogue options instead, one indicating that her infertility is curable with no mention of actual children, and one indicating it's not. There doesn't need to be a "canon" about this. This is the end, players should get what they want here.

Edit:
I just dug up something I posted elsewhere. This is how I'd like it to go:

It would be enough to hint at it in an after-the-end dialogue similar to those we get in DAO: a short talk where you can mention it, and getting a number of options that basically define how things stand.

For instance Shepard says:
Option 1: I never wanted children anyway, and I can't see you as a mother.
Option 2: You brought me back from the dead. Curing you shouldn't be a big problem now that we've got the time.
Option 3: We'll have to live with it - but humanity owes you for that sacrifice, and I won't let them forget it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 12:18 .

[GuitarShredUK]

LuxDragon wrote...

Don' you mean 'future' experiance? Or maybe you're right and it's 'past' experiance...

Whoa... dude...

You've done a pretty good job of confusing me as well now - and I've just realised that my simple comment may be quite difficult to explain properly so bear with me. 

First off, by "past" experience I was referring to the Chuck team/Yvonne using the line "I love a good suicide mission" as her other famous character in Miranda has previously taken part in one in ME2 and they wanted to use the reference now in Chuck; as I guess they'd picked up on the fans noting the link between the two characters in Sarah and Miranda, how similar both characters actually are and the situation that Sarah is now in in Chuck. 

On the flip side, LuxDragon you're right in a sense that by being a "time paradox" character by giving Sarah a Miranda-esque cover that Miranda is using experience of future events (the ME suicide mission) in the present in Chuck...go figure but to my mind either way of describing that image/the temporary character makeover in Chuck works 

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 30 janvier 2011 - 01:00 .

[yesikareyes]

Well it's better than the ones I've read wherein they ask for a scene with children and all. Yes we both agree on having it mentioned in dialogue to imply the situation.



I do hope Miranda gets a large role in ME 3 and not just cameos like the ones in Horizon and Tuchanka. It would be upsetting if she isn't part of the squad and we would only get to see her in the final battle where everyone joins forces. I'm not saying this just for her but for all the characters to get their proper closure in the trilogy.



I know it's whacked but if Mass Effect does come out with a new installment after this trilogy, I'm hoping that it'll be the next generation Shepard. Let's face it if Miranda and Shep do have a child, it'll be the zenith of genetic excellence cause they're both so bloody perfect!

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...
I know it's whacked but if Mass Effect does come out with a new installment after this trilogy, I'm hoping that it'll be the next generation Shepard. Let's face it if Miranda and Shep do have a child, it'll be the zenith of genetic excellence cause they're both so bloody perfect!

That will be unlikely. Shepard can have children only with Ashley, Liara and Miranda (I think we can discount Jack, though technically she might be eligible), so it's unlikely there will be a family connection to future protagonists. I wouldn't want one anyway, since I'm highly allergic to family themes playing a big role in epic dramas. 

Also, we already know Bioware plans for widely diverging outcomes, which means the future of Citadel civilization is determined to a significant degree  by the events in ME3, so I very much doubt there can be a convincing sequel that won't ****** off a majority of the fans.

What I would appreciate is a prequel with Miranda as the protagonist. I doubt we'll get that either, because she's too defined to make a good RPG protagonist and not popular enough to make a good shooter protagonist. But it's not completely out of the question - she'd be the perfect protagonist for a story-driven game combining stealth and spy aspects with a shooter, good for drawing a more diverse fanbase into the franchise. 

And yes, I think we all want a big role for Miranda in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 01:47 .

[GuitarShredUK]

yesikareyes wrote...

Well it's better than the ones I've read wherein they ask for a scene with children and all. Yes we both agree on having it mentioned in dialogue to imply the situation.

I do hope Miranda gets a large role in ME 3 and not just cameos like the ones in Horizon and Tuchanka. It would be upsetting if she isn't part of the squad and we would only get to see her in the final battle where everyone joins forces. I'm not saying this just for her but for all the characters to get their proper closure in the trilogy.

I know it's whacked but if Mass Effect does come out with a new installment after this trilogy, I'm hoping that it'll be the next generation Shepard. Let's face it if Miranda and Shep do have a child, it'll be the zenith of genetic excellence cause they're both so bloody perfect!

^This, however I think the story/interactions will need to be thought out and paced very well if there are to be confirmed members of Shepard's team also taking on other duties like with Ieldra's example of Miranda taking control of Cerberus, while still being in the team and an available squad member for missions.

Personally, I'd very much like this to happen; however what if you take Miranda on the suicide mission, you decide to destroy the base (a decision which she also supports) and she resigns from Cerberus as a result? I wouldn't realistically expect her to go back on such a decision unless she felt that gaining control of Cerberus as a force or an organisation would be beneficial to Shepard...another key dialogue choice perhaps? Where Shepard can choose to

A) Encourage Miranda to take control of Cerberus as he knows and trusts her capabilities as a leader having chosen her to lead the fire team in the ME2 finale (as I did) or
 
Remind her of her decision to resign, how she saw proof that TIM's/Cerberus's goals were a lot darker than simply protecting/advancing humanity by keeping the Collector base - Shepard did his job for Cerberus, stopped the Collectors, and could also say that he took the opportunity to go freelance after thanking Cerberus/TIM for their help in resurrecting him ("I'm doing things my way...")

[yesikareyes]

GuitarShredUK wrote...

A) Encourage Miranda to take control of Cerberus as he knows and trusts her capabilities as a leader having chosen her to lead the fire team in the ME2 finale (as I did) or
 
Remind her of her decision to resign, how she saw proof that TIM's/Cerberus's goals were a lot darker than simply protecting/advancing humanity by keeping the Collector base - Shepard did his job for Cerberus, stopped the Collectors, and could also say that he took the opportunity to go freelance after thanking Cerberus/TIM for their help in resurrecting him ("I'm doing things my way...")

I like your dialogue idea for Miranda and what she could be up to in the sequel. To be honest, I don't know what to expect from the third game. I have a feeling Miranda and Shepard will break up early in the game because of the mounting pressure of saving the galaxy and in the end there will be a reunion OR WORSE you have to choose between staying behind to save Miranda or stop the reapers once and for all... or Shep dies as a sacrifice. 

Isn't it kind of rash and untimely to attempt to take over Cerberus though when the Reapers are coming? Taking over an organization such as that would require the same time and effort we gave in destroying the collector base. I think Miranda would be recruited in a more reformed black-ops division of the Alliance which I think is more realistic.

[Markinator_123]

Just a quick question for Miranda fans. How genre savvy do you think Miranda is? I know that she is more genre savvy than Jacob because Jacob is one of the most genre blind characters I have ever seen.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:21 .

[Ieldra]

@GuitarShrekUK:
It's not quite as hard to implement. Chances are, if you don't support TIM's vision of the galaxy, which I guess most of us don't, then we'll have to deal with Cerberus one way or the other, regardless of the decision about the base. IMO, that decision was not about Cerberus, but about using a dangerous unknown strategic resource against the Reapers or not.

So, if we'll get the chance to deal with Cerberus, there could be several options for the decision:
(1) Keep it intact under TIM as usual
(2) Keep it intact but install Miranda as a new leader, implying she'll take it into a new direction.
(3) Dismantle it.

If you choose option (2), Miranda will leave the team for the rest of the game until the endgame where she joins forces again with you. She'll have a bigger role in the plot at the expense of time on the team. If you choose (1) or (3), she'll stay on the team but has no bigger role in the plot. If she's dead, you can only choose between (1) and (3).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:26 .

[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@GuitarShrekUK:
It's not quite as hard to implement. Chances are, if you don't support TIM's vision of the galaxy, which I guess most of us don't, then we'll have to deal with Cerberus one way or the other, regardless of the decision about the base. IMO, that decision was not about Cerberus, but about using a dangerous unknown strategic resource against the Reapers or not.

So, if we'll get the chance to deal with Cerberus, there could be several options for the decision:
(1) Keep it intact under TIM as usual
(2) Keep it intact but install Miranda as a new leader, implying she'll take it into a new direction.
(3) Dismantle it.

If you choose option (2), Miranda will leave the team for the rest of the game until the endgame where she joins forces again with you. She'll have a bigger role in the plot at the expense of time on the team. If you choose (1) or (3), she'll stay on the team but has no bigger role in the plot.

@Ieldra: that's fair, and a neater way of setting up to deal with Cerberus, which I think should go and needs to go one of two ways as you've alluded to, however this would mean that TIM needs to be taken out of the picture...As in Shepard encourages Miranda to take control and obtains another powerful ally as a result for the battle(s) ahead, OR Miranda stays on the team after you remove TIM and choose to do away with Cerberus altogether. 

[EDIT] by having one of two options for dealing with Cerberus I'm taking into account that a polarized opinion of Cerberus is worked into Shepard's view of the organisation ME2 > ME3, so the decision you make is in effect a key choice to either restructure Cerberus and create another ally, or dismantle them completely (i.e. Paragon) or keep TIM and Cerberus intact after keeping the base (Renegade)

Another thing to consider, though is if you do encourage/allow Miranda to leave the team and take command of Cerberus, would this not create more conflict that may eventually prove a hindrance to humanity's preparations for the assault of the Reapers i.e. with the Alliance? So taking your option (2) would ideally result in another interaction with the VS from ME1 and somehow convince Ash/Kaidan that Cerberus and the Alliance are on the same page now that Miranda is in charge?

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 30 janvier 2011 - 02:34 .

[Elyvern]

Genre savvy about what genre??

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Here's another question for Miranda fans to consider:

What kind of an epilogue do you want for her, or for her and Shepard, if romanced.

Option 1: Miranda takes over Cerberus and turns it into a true equivalent of the STG
Option 2: Miranda becomes an Alliance intelligence agent/Spectre
Option 3: Miranda kills her father to protect Oriana and takes over his company, effectively becoming a good version of him. Including artificially created children.

[CroGamer002]

Do you think Miranda's father is leader of Eclipse?



When that Eclipse merc talks about his boss, I think he talks about his the boss.

[jtav]

Eclipse was founded by an asari, and Mr. Lawson was wealthy long before first contact. So no. He hired them. That's all.