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[CroGamer002]

jtav wrote...

Eclipse was founded by an asari, and Mr. Lawson was wealthy long before first contact. So no. He hired them. That's all.

I know but he could have take over Eclipse.

[jtav]

Considering his pro-human agenda, I really doubt it.

[CroGamer002]

jtav wrote...

Considering his pro-human agenda, I really doubt it.

Cerberus doesn't have problem to cooperate with aliens.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Here's another question for Miranda fans to consider:
What kind of an epilogue do you want for her, or for her and Shepard, if romanced.

Option 1: Miranda takes over Cerberus and turns it into a true equivalent of the STG
Option 2: Miranda becomes an Alliance intelligence agent/Spectre
Option 3: Miranda kills her father to protect Oriana and takes over his company, effectively becoming a good version of him. Including artificially created children.

Option 3 is something I hadn't considered. I support this.

[2kgnsiika]

A question to all Mirimaniacs. This is something I've been wondering.



I've been under the impression that Oriana was created to replace Miranda, because Miranda's infertility was deemed unacceptable or because Miranda was otherwise genetically "defective."



Am I mistaken? If not, why create an exact genetic copy of Miranda? Wouldn't she be equally "defective"?



Of course, if Miranda's father wanted to replace her for some other reason, there would be no problem. However, this would mean that he had no knowledge of her infertility. Am I right?



What do you think?

[Ieldra]

2kgnsiika wrote...
I've been under the impression that Oriana was created to replace Miranda, because Miranda's infertility was deemed unacceptable or because Miranda was otherwise genetically "defective."

Am I mistaken? If not, why create an exact genetic copy of Miranda? Wouldn't she be equally "defective"?

Of course, if Miranda's father wanted to replace her for some other reason, there would be no problem. However, this would mean that he had no knowledge of her infertility. Am I right?

What do you think?

There are a number of different solutions for this.

The one I've been using in my fanfic is that Miranda's father wanted to replace her because she had become too independent and was on the brink of rebellion. Thus, Oriana and Miranda *are* genetically identical and none of them is "defective". That means that Miranda's father didn't know about her infertility, which is also very plausible because it is caused by "progressive damage", which means it is very likely she was not infertile when she ran away (that was 19 years ago), nor was there any indication that she would develop that condition.
In this scenario, her infertility may be a side effect of the eezo nodules that were implanted throughout her nervous system when she was a child and which made her a biotic. 

I think this scenario fits the observable evidence best, assuming that what Miranda tells us about her life and about Oriana is true.

Another scenario is that Miranda's father wanted to replace her because Oriana was to be improved in a way that had nothing to do with genetics. One possible explanation would be that he'd found a method to make Oriana a stronger biotic. The same reasoning as above would apply.

Elyvern's scenario is a bit more complicated. I know what it is about, but I'll leave her to explain that if she wants, or maybe she wants to leave everyone in the dark until her fanfic is finished.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 janvier 2011 - 04:45 .

[2kgnsiika]

Ieldra2 wrote...
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Ah, I had missed the "progressive" part of Miranda's condition. Thank you for the answer.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

I suspect that Miri's father is a very powerful and wealthy info broker.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@2kgnsiika

Actually, Miranda's infertility is pretty much curable. The words 'progressive damage' and 'benign neoplasm' are already a contradiction because benign tumors aren't 'progressive'. None of it actually adds up when you think about it.

[jtav]

Miranda's infertility is a muddled issue. The suggestion of adoption as opposed to treatment suggests it isn't easily treatable. The tumor may be located in a place where operation is inadvisable. Or maybe the doctor is a hack. But the damage isn't definitely reversible.

[Arijharn]

You'd think that the writer might have actually asked someone in medicine to clear the issue up before they got to the point where it had to be nailed down; I mean... there are two qualified doctor's running their company!

[DirtyVagrant]

Don't know if you've seen already, but it looks like the 2nd Alternate Appearance Pack will feature Miranda with what looks like some armor!

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 31 janvier 2011 - 06:03 .

[LuxDragon]

Is that a monocle she's wearing?

[DirtyVagrant]

Looks like a visor.

[Ryzaki]

Ooh I finally payed attention during Miri's romance (and yes while the "You want this" part made me gag in disgust I chose the "Damn it you're right." Shepard sound pretty damn mature and the whole "let's be friends until we have a better time to figure this out." was perfect. Why oh why does that have to end the romance?

Edit: As for Miri getting some armor. Whoot! Finally! 

Please be actual armor and not another catsuit.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 31 janvier 2011 - 06:58 .

[Breakdown Boy]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Don't know if you've seen already, but it looks like the 2nd Alternate Appearance Pack will feature Miranda with what looks like some armor!

It's about damn time! They only kept the two most popular characters for last! I hope this will be followed up with a VS DLC.

Another note.

The tumor could be benign but it can still be progressive, as in growing fast. Benign only means that it ain't cancer.
But heck, I guess it will come up eventually or not. I don't think the series will follow a all conclusive ending...marriage, kids etc. 

[FireWynd]

Just wanted to support the OP in everything said except for:

*Miranda has oversexualized outfits in ME2. We wish her to have less aggressively sexualized and all-in-all more convincing ones (Compare Liara's LotSB outfit). No exposed skin in space, please, and no high heels on outfits she wears on combat missions!

*No objectifying ass shots. We like that Miranda is sexually experienced, but she is not a sex object

I love everything about Miranda including her sexy outfits. For those who hate it, maybe include some optional armored look outfits.

Don't exclude those who love her as she is in game (high heels and all).

I really hope she takes a prominent part in ME3 as a main character / continued romance option. She is the best romance option since Viconia from Baldur's Gate and Bastila Shan from KOTOR. Although I actually like her more than Bastila. Viconia though... hard to beat that one :-D

I couldn't imagine Mass Effect without her. I was always disappointed by the Mass Effect 1 romance options. They finally did it right with Miranda \\o/ 

Modifié par FireWynd, 31 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[Breakdown Boy]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Don't know if you've seen already, but it looks like the 2nd Alternate Appearance Pack will feature Miranda with what looks like some armor!

How does this pop up on some Asian XBox live site and not on Bioware? Is it for real?

[Ieldra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ooh I finally payed attention during Miri's romance (and yes while the "You want this" part made me gag in disgust I chose the "Damn it you're right." Shepard sound pretty damn mature and the whole "let's be friends until we have a better time to figure this out." was perfect. Why oh why does that have to end the romance?

Very much this. "Come on, Miranda. You want this." Yeah, Commander Shepard, the master of emotional subtlely. Ugh.

What I'd like to see is this: if you choose the the lower response and delay the romance (I prefer to say delay instead of end), and Shepard hasn't romanced anyone else at the end of ME3, we'll get a really good romance scene at the end of ME3. Hey Bioware, if you put this in I'll buy an extra copy of ME3!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 janvier 2011 - 08:09 .

[Ieldra]

FireWynd wrote...
Just wanted to support the OP in everything said except for:

*Miranda has oversexualized outfits in ME2. We wish her to have less aggressively sexualized and all-in-all more convincing ones (Compare Liara's LotSB outfit). No exposed skin in space, please, and no high heels on outfits she wears on combat missions!

*No objectifying ass shots. We like that Miranda is sexually experienced, but she is not a sex object

I love everything about Miranda including her sexy outfits. For those who hate it, maybe include some optional armored look outfits.

Don't exclude those who love her as she is in game (high heels and all).

I really hope she takes a prominent part in ME3 as a main character / continued romance option. She is the best romance option since Viconia from Baldur's Gate and Bastila Shan from KOTOR. Although I actually like her more than Bastila. Viconia though... hard to beat that one :-D

I couldn't imagine Mass Effect without her. I was always disappointed by the Mass Effect 1 romance options. They finally did it right with Miranda

Options are always good. I support an outfit selection, though exposed skin in space shouldn't be an option IMO. What I really want is that the on-mission outfits and the shipboard outfits are different, as it is with Shepard. So we could have sexy outifts on the ship and non-ridiculous combat outfits while on a mission. Miranda's outfits are nothing she'd want to wear anywhere she doesn't want to be extra-conspicuous. Bioware was aware of that or we wouldn't have Enyala's comment.

As for the ass shots, you're the first who appears to like them. We have a lot of sexy Miranda scenes that aren't as "focused" on one feature. The ass shots are too much "in-your-face" for my taste.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
The tumor could be benign but it can still be progressive, as in growing fast. Benign only means that it ain't cancer.
But heck, I guess it will come up eventually or not. I don't think the series will follow a all conclusive ending...marriage, kids etc. 

If it's benign, it shouldn't even be growing at all.

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
Another note.

The tumor could be benign but it can still be progressive, as in growing fast. Benign only means that it ain't cancer.
But heck, I guess it will come up eventually or not. I don't think the series will follow a all conclusive ending...marriage, kids etc. 

Actually, uncontrolled growth is one of the attributes that distinguishes a benign tumor from a cancer. A benign tumor may grow (else it wouldn't have come into existence), but it doesn't invade and destroy neighboring cells (if it did, it would be a cancer), so it is unlikely to cause permanent damage by itself. It can cause a mechanical obstruction (ironically, this is called a "mass effect") or a chemical imbalance (in this case, likely a hormonal imbalance), both of which could cause infertility, but the follicles would not be destroyed, so the effect would usually be reversible.
I gather with today's technology it would be impossible to retain fertility if there was a benign tumor causing infertility within the ovary, but I find it hard to imagine that the medical technology of the ME universe can't do it.

But even assuming Bioware knew what they're talking about and that doctor isn't an idiot, I see three possible ways for Miranda to regain her fertility or have children the doctor may not know about:
*Use the knowledge contained in the Lazarus project to reverse her condition.
*Use the knowledge from Miranda's father's project to reverse her condition.
*Use the knowledge from Miranda's father's projects to create new ova from regular cells, then use IVF and have the children grow naturally.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 janvier 2011 - 09:25 .

[Breakdown Boy]

The human race is known for the advanced genetic engeneering achievements (in ME universe) for the species, removing all desease from the genepool. I think they could just remove the genetic code of the tumor from her DNA.

[Ieldra]

Breakdown Boy wrote...
The human race is known for the advanced genetic engeneering achievements (in ME universe) for the species, removing all desease from the genepool. I think they could just remove the genetic code of the tumor from her DNA.

I've always assumed her condition is not genetic in origin. It's a mutation that may have been caused by the eezo nodules implanted in her nervous system to make her a biotic. I think it likely that a targeted therapy could be used to remove it, but genetic modification won't do it unless it exclusively affects the mutated cells. Now that I think of it, that may be one kind of targeted therapy. 

Also I don't think they have removed all diseases from the species. IIRC the Codex says they can prevent "most hereditary diseases". Mutations can always happen, and so can most infectious diseases and others not caused by genetic factors.

[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Options are always good. I support an outfit selection, though exposed skin in space shouldn't be an option IMO. What I really want is that the on-mission outfits and the shipboard outfits are different, as it is with Shepard. So we could have sexy outifts on the ship and non-ridiculous combat outfits while on a mission. Miranda's outfits are nothing she'd want to wear anywhere she doesn't want to be extra-conspicuous. Bioware was aware of that or we wouldn't have Enyala's comment.

As for the ass shots, you're the first who appears to like them. We have a lot of sexy Miranda scenes that aren't as "focused" on one feature. The ass shots are too much "in-your-face" for my taste.

Looks like you've got your wish with the new appearance pack Ieldra -  tinyurl.com/5wa3ych; anyone here good at Japanese/knows a good (as in kind of accurate) online translator? 

The new pack looks great, not just with Miri finally getting some adequate protection for combat rather than a leather/suede jumpsuit, which I agree with you should be left on the ship for...debriefings etc . Although what is Bioware's obsession with giving the majority of characters frankly stupid, unnecessary eyewear!?! IMO there are only three characters in the game who look like glasses/visors suit them - Shepard, Garrus and Thane.  

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 31 janvier 2011 - 11:10 .