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[drwells123]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I like Miranda in that story. I wouldn't mind a continuation.

You may get your wish. I find her more interesting here than I do in Devil and Persistence.

I left a review, but in short, I agree, she feels very authentic (and sympathetic) in that story and I'd look forward to reading more.

[Obvakhi]

I'm curious... has anyone posted any pictures of using a flycam during Miranda's love scene? I've seen plenty of different angles from other romances, but never Miranda.

[Ieldra]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

If I do say so myself, I think Miri would approve.

Fantastic picture. As a fan of the humans on the team (ok, not *all* of them, but I'll let this slide) I find this very inspiring. As for the message, it can be interpreted in different ways, and of some of them, yes, Miranda would approve.

[Ieldra]

Obvakhi wrote...
I'm curious... has anyone posted any pictures of using a flycam during Miranda's love scene? I've seen plenty of different angles from other romances, but never Miranda.

I am unaware of any. If you (or someone else) would tell me how to use a flycam, I'd try and make a few.

[drwells123]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fantastic picture. As a fan of the humans on the team (ok, not *all* of them, but I'll let this slide) I find this very inspiring. As for the message, it can be interpreted in different ways, and of some of them, yes, Miranda would approve.

Thanks for reposting! As I see it, just because it's only humans doesn't mean it's diminishing any other race.

[snfonseka]

Tested the new skin. It looks cool!

[Ieldra]

drwells123 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Fantastic picture. As a fan of the humans on the team (ok, not *all* of them, but I'll let this slide) I find this very inspiring. As for the message, it can be interpreted in different ways, and of some of them, yes, Miranda would approve.

Thanks for reposting! As I see it, just because it's only humans doesn't mean it's diminishing any other race.

Yes. And I think it's in that sense that Miranda is working for humanity. Her appreciation for the asari comes across clearly in her comment on Nos Astra. I was very relieved when I heard that for the first time (is that one year ago? Incredible), for it puts Miranda out of the way of any "racism" accusations that could be leveled at her because of her association with Cerberus.

[jtav]

Yes, it's incredibly interesting that the devoutly pro-human squadmate is also the one who speaks approvingly of the asari and salarians. She's very cynical and believes humanity needs a paramilitary organization looking out for it, but that stems from what seems to be a belief that people in general are basically self-interested.

Edit: would you go so far as to call her as xenophile (in the non-sexual sense ie Fracophile or Anglophile)

Modifié par jtav, 06 février 2011 - 08:31 .

[Ieldra]

Not in the general sense that she prefers non-human culture to human. She might be attracted to a specific non-human culture, but I can see no candidate at the moment.

Her concept of human advancement certainly doesn't prevent her from incorporating valuable aspects of non-human culture. Too bad that they are all too human. I'd have liked some more insight into the differences.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 février 2011 - 09:26 .

[SgtPotato]

She isn't anti-alien, not really. If she does, she wouldn't approve to have aliens, like Garrus and Mordin, aboard on Normandy SR2. That would make her unlikable.

One thing about her, she doesn't like right-wing extremists and xenophobics and she want people, like Shepard, to join Cerberus than them.

Modifié par SgtPotato, 07 février 2011 - 12:02 .

[LuxDragon]

Not to mention the fact that she has an asari contact, Lanteia during her LM. She said she trusted Lanteia with the safety of her sister, which definitely means she's perfectly fine working with non-humans.

She even mentions that too many people are in Cerberus because of xenophobia. An implied disgust at their attitudes.

Modifié par LuxDragon, 07 février 2011 - 12:04 .

[SgtPotato]

LuxDragon wrote...

Not to mention the fact that she has an asari contact, Lanteia during her LM. She said she trusted Lanteia with the safety of her sister, which definitely means she's perfectly fine working with non-humans.

She even mentions that too many people are in Cerberus because of xenophobia. An implied disgust at their attitudes.

Dude, I just said that about xenophobia part. <_<

[LuxDragon]

Yeah, but posted right before me by two minutes. I was making my response at that time before yours was up. (And posting in another thread. Ieldra2 knows about that.)

Cut me a little slack... Can't we just say 'great minds think alike'?

Modifié par LuxDragon, 07 février 2011 - 12:39 .

[SgtPotato]

Ok, I'm giving you a slack.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

gumdrops

[LuxDragon]

I can't tell who was scarier, him or Depp...

[SgtPotato]

LuxDragon wrote...

I can't tell who was scarier, him or Depp...

You want scary? How about this...




Okay... It's getting off the point. We should get back to the point before Ieldra2 complain.

[Auzden]

Miranda in ME3 ahhhhH!!!! nice

[aeetos21]

You don't have to be anti-alien to be pro-human, this "us against them" philosophy is very ultra-nationalist. Humanity, for all of its strengths, didn't find world peace before making contact with other alien civilizations. It was only when humanity realized that there were other races with even more differences than the other human cultures they've been fighting for millenia did they put their troubles aside and form the Systems Alliance. Figure after you dominate every other race out there (either militarily or economically), then what? Go back to fighting each other again? Because that's what fits the pattern.

Miranda wants what is best for humanity because she can identify with that, having been designed to be "the perfect woman." That doesn't equate to fear or mistrust or dislike of the other races - quite the contrary:

"We'd be lucky to have you, too many join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia."

She sees other races as something to aspire to, good competition, something to overcome largely through humanity's own means. She envies Mordin and his time with the STG, she finds asari culture beautiful, and on Omega she finds disgust with all the races living there - not just batarians and vorcha. And it isn't as if she agrees with everything Cerberus does (something many fans grossly overlook): Jack and the Teltin facility, breaking Cerberus protocol to help Jacob with his father, the Collector Base, etc. If she didn't disagree she never would've left Cerberus at all and Liara probably wouldn't have remarked on how much Miranda had changed. I was a bit dissapointed in BW that they didn't follow up on Miranda's feelings about TIM trapping Shepard and the team on the Collector ship. She was very vocal that TIM wouldn't do that to them, I'm curious if she would've approved or not after hearing TIM's confession or would've felt it more as a betrayal.

And for those of you who don't understand what nationalism or ultra-nationialism are here's the wiki page which has both definitions as well as some other definitions of ultra-nationialism: dictionary-online, dictionary.com, answers.com, a few well thought out essays on ultra-nationialism and you start to get the idea. So pick your poison.

Modifié par aeetos21, 07 février 2011 - 04:55 .

[LuxDragon]

I like what you wrote, aeetos21.

[aeetos21]

LuxDragon wrote...

I like what you wrote, aeetos21.

And I like your novel, makes sense. Looking forward to how you'll handle the Miranda/Jack tiff. It was fun how BW decided to play it up to the fans, the cat fight, but with the way your novel is headed I'm thinking maybe something much more rational (like how you handled Horizon with the VS) or at least a better outcome after the "tearing out a bulkead" scene.

Modifié par aeetos21, 07 février 2011 - 07:18 .

[Breakdown Boy]

Yeh, LuxD is the man! I love the fic, only one I am reading now. And of course the Miri relationship has been done so well.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Just 7 more hours to the AAP2...omg hurry up!

[Ieldra]

If they'll release it at noon on the 8th in Edmonton's timezone (UTC-7), it's more like 32 hours.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 février 2011 - 10:29 .

[LuxDragon]

I got plans for their little tiff, but it'll last a little longer than in the game. I doubt Shepard can calm the both of them so easily after all.