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Jebel Krong wrote...
miranda does convey a lot in her early conversations, BUT initial impression count a lot, especially visually - something that has been proven time and time again in studies - most people will make up their minds before even talking to someone - that includes her, so in that respect the white outfit was very important.

If you're talking about the scenes on Lazarus Station and Minuteman, I tentatively agree. Miranda armored in those scenes would have conveyed a misleading impression. The outfit's cheap style also wasn't as apparent there, thanks to the different lighting. But I maintain that if the armor had been available as an option from the start, i.e. from the time when you gained control of the SR2, there would've been far fewer complaints about her outfit and many people would've felt less weird taking her into combat.

ok so occasion should determine what is worn: no armour on Illium then, after all why would you logically wear it in a 'civilised' city - no-one else is, after all (shepard, a spectre, gets a pass)? that goes for the citadel, too, and cerberus bases of course.

In the hubs, yes. On the missions there, no. And wherever else you expect combat, also no. Shepard getting a pass as a Spectre is not enough justification, btw, because in many games, Shepard isn't one. Besides, inappropriate armor on hubs is much easier to overlook than lack of protection in combat.

the other thing is: there are literally no gameplay changes between outfits - it's entirely aesthetic, which means the realism argument falls completely flat - everyone has shields and biotics have barriers, a few ceramic plates against railguns ain't gonna amount to anything. realism - as long as it's consistently presented - is what BW wants it to be, as is the universe lore.

Realism isn't my argument. Continuity and consistency is. It is established that armor is useful enough to see regular use throughout both games. It makes no sense that our ME2 team members should be immune. As for the aesthetics, the new armor proves that Miranda can be protected and still look very attractive. Or would you deny that she looks good in it?

you're also pretty hung up on this 'fanservice' concept - aside from the aforementioned dodgy camera angles, neither original outfit is that bad or too different from samara, and leagues better than jack, for example. a certain level of sexiness in dress goes with the 'operative' tag, after all.

My argument isn't that it's fanservice, it's that it's *cheap-looking* and *overblown* fanservice. The "sexy operative" as well as the "femme fatale" require a certain style to come across, which the white outfit doesn't convey and the camera angles destroy completely. On a personal level, I guess I'm feeling a little insulted that the creators of the game actually expected me to go "ooh....sexy" over something that cheap. I wonder why they did it that way - it should be well known that being too blatant in your presentation of the sexy can ruin it, and that a more restrained approach often works better. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 février 2011 - 08:35 .


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MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Ever heard of the KISS rule? About time people started applying that to the Miri romances in their fics.

You're insulting one of our best fanfic writers. If her stories are too complicated for you, don't read them and leave it at that if you can't be constructive in your criticism.

Conflicts lie at the heart of all good stories. Without conflict of some kind, there would be nothing to tell. Multi-angled conflicts put the protagonists into dilemmas, and how they solve them defines their characters. The conflicts jtav outlined for Miranda are very much in-character - she does have difficulties understanding relationships given her history and personality, and of course her connection to Cerberus can cause all kinds of problems. These are not cliché, they're problems that grow organically and naturally out of her personality and her history. To get back to your original complaint - making things more simple is far more likely to result in a cliché.

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LuxDragon wrote...

Oh. Does my fic follow that rule or what?


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PseudoEthnic wrote...

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I like this screenshot the most!

Thanks to the armor, I take Miri on almost every mission now without feeling embarassed about my XO wearing a FS suit. With her, Tali, and my tech assassin(MainShep), we're an unstoppable force of combat tech.

It's one of my favorites, too. Shepard (any tech class) and Miranda against the Rest of the GalaxyCollectors! The ME universe's most badass operatives in action!

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LuxDragon wrote...
Oh. Does my fic follow that rule or what?

Keep going, LuxDragon. That rule is good for a short story, but anything bigger will need some complexity to keep  readers from falling asleep with boredom.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 février 2011 - 09:10 .


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Before this devolves into a long all but flame war, can I suggest people take a step back? This is a love thread.



By the way Lux - I'm looking forward to hearing Shepard's jaw hitting the floor when he sees Miranda's outfit for the party. Something with serious slink I'm guessing!

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Jaws will hit the floor alright...

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Prudii Aden wrote...

Before this devolves into a long all but flame war, can I suggest people take a step back? This is a love thread.


assuming that's directed at me, i have no interest in any kind of 'war' but don't want to see a general misconception on the thread that everyone's happy with the direction of the AAP packs or that it's somehow right or necessary for the character. that's all.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 10 février 2011 - 10:04 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

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I like this screenshot the most!

Thanks to the armor, I take Miri on almost every mission now without feeling embarassed about my XO wearing a FS suit. With her, Tali, and my tech assassin(MainShep), we're an unstoppable force of combat tech.

It's one of my favorites, too. Shepard (any tech class) and Miranda against the Rest of the GalaxyCollectors! The ME universe's most badass operatives in action!


Gotta say I agree, this screenshot is becoming one of my fav. You really ought to create a gold and black shepard for your next run, Ieldra. Shepard and Miranda in my current playthrough really looks like a team now. I'm almost tempted to buy FRAPS so I can make easier screenshots that way. Posted Image

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Bourne Endeavor wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Thanks to the armor, I take Miri on almost every mission now without feeling embarassed about my XO wearing a FS suit. With her, Tali, and my tech assassin(MainShep), we're an unstoppable force of combat tech.


"Biotics, replaced by tech! Squad powers, replaced by tech! Spandex attire, replaced by tech! Enemies, incinerated by tech!"

Something like that? :P

:o

Also, still my favorite woman in the galaxy, and like to have the armor option. I guess the non-standard atmosphere gear is still the plastic rebreather, though?  which is kind of a pity, but, yeah.

Modifié par Funker Shepard, 10 février 2011 - 10:08 .


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cr: stevegoad



also, not stricly miranda focused but i thought it was awesome:



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cr: xeoncat

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MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Don't worry Lux, you keep it pretty simple. None of that crappy, overrated and overused relationship complications that some like to use all the time. Those cliches just make me groan in disappontment.


For the first time, and hopefully the last time, I'll say this. If you have nothing constructive to say at all about other people's writing, and can only express your strong dislike in what is purely a matter of personal taste, you don't have to say anything, snide insinuations or otherwise.

Now, let's get back to proper discussion.

Modifié par Elyvern, 10 février 2011 - 10:42 .


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Jebel Krong wrote...

assuming that's directed at me, i have no interest in any kind of war but don't want to see a general misconception on the thread that everyone's happy with the direction of the AAP packs or that it's somehow right or necessary for the character. that's all.


Wasn't directed at anyone in particular - it was more a request that people take a step back, have a deep breath and not assume the worst.

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Elyvern wrote...
Gotta say I agree, this screenshot is becoming one of my fav. You really ought to create a gold and black shepard for your next run, Ieldra. Shepard and Miranda in my current playthrough really looks like a team now. I'm almost tempted to buy FRAPS so I can make easier screenshots that way. Posted Image

I'll do that.

As for FRAPS, the unregistered version can make screenshots as well. The only difference is that it can't make JPG files directly, so before I bought it, I had to convert the images from BMP to JPG using IrfanView (which is also free). Since I must rename my screenshots anyway, it wasn't a big thing. 

@Funker Shepard
Yes, she still has the breathing mask. Better than the Cerberus armor helmet some people have advocated - I want to see her face - but far from optimal. I'd like a helmet with a big visor. Best of both worlds.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 février 2011 - 10:53 .


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Great...wondeful misinterpretations once more...actually, jtav's is fine but quite cliched. I was actually referring to a Jack/Shep fic I read a few months back where there was so much conflict that you actually wanted them to break up. Yes, some conflict is good. Not too much. Unfortunately, it usually goes into the 'stop, it's gonna overflow' end of the conflict meter.

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@Ieldra2

Miri with the N7 helmet in ME1 would be nice. Also, if you wanted her to have a sniper rifle, you could always mod the game.

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Which reminds me actually. Gearing up for another mass effect playthrough-I was originally just going to bumble through and then 'split' the savegame (one with jack one with Miranda) but the armour DLC lets me bring Miranda without feeling self concious. Which is weird when you think about it, because I have no problem running around with Jack or Tali.



...erm, anyway, So I'm probably going to be boring and do a male vanguard, but I was thinking of modding Miranda's loadout. I'm thinking keep the pistol because the rampant cutscene use implies that she tends to have one all the time. Also fits the femme fetale thing (relatively easily assumed, catching people off guard with perhaps, akin to how femme fetale archtype is popularly thought of trying to avoid direct conflict)



I was thinking of replacing the SMG. Maybe a sniper rifle but... Garrus, Zaeed, Thane, we've got that covered. I'm thinking assault rifle, which one (assuming you don't think another weapon) would you guys see her using? I'd see Vindicator myself.

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@Loki330

Personally, I modded Miri's loadout to include an assault rifle (usually a Collector Assault Rifle) and a heavy weapon in addition to the pistol and SMG. Unfortunately, she can't use the heavy weapon and the pistol until a bug happens. Usually, Miri gets an Arc Projector that she can't use, but when I picked up the Firestorm, she used it and totally decimated the Suns. And on Omega on Garrus' recruitment, after picking up the Vindicator, she couldn't use assault rifles, instead reverting back to her pistol and SMG.

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With Miri's original outfit the rifles would float couple of inches away from her back, hope the new AAP fixed that with the armor.

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MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
@Ieldra2
Miri with the N7 helmet in ME1 would be nice. Also, if you wanted her to have a sniper rifle, you could always mod the game.

The helmet is nice, but if I recall it correctly, you can't see the face very well through it. I'm also thinking helmets used in combat situations in space would need a wider visor....just rambling, ideas about ME3's "ideal helmet".

As for the weapon mod, I've never modded the Coalesced.ini (I guess that's the one you need to change). Is there any documentation about how to do that?

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Re: KISS

LuxDragon wrote...

Oh. Does my fic follow that rule or what?


Haven't had the opportunity to check it out, but I do know what the acronym means. ;)

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Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
@Ieldra2
Miri with the N7 helmet in ME1 would be nice. Also, if you wanted her to have a sniper rifle, you could always mod the game.

The helmet is nice, but if I recall it correctly, you can't see the face very well through it. I'm also thinking helmets used in combat situations in space would need a wider visor....just rambling, ideas about ME3's "ideal helmet".

As for the weapon mod, I've never modded the Coalesced.ini (I guess that's the one you need to change). Is there any documentation about how to do that?

Considering how close the helmet is to Sheps face and the actual size of the visor part, I would be surprised if the visibility is badly impaired, If anything I would say that they have fairly good visibility in it and 'windows are a structural weakness' so a full on open glassed visor would be more dangerous ;)

I actually think Miranda would look stupid with a Sniper Rifle. Assault Rifle (she looks ok with them in the cut-scenes where they are forced into her hands) or Shotgun, maybe, but not a Sniper Rifle.

"It's just my opinion though, no need to go spreading it around."

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Ieldra2 wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
@Ieldra2
Miri with the N7 helmet in ME1 would be nice. Also, if you wanted her to have a sniper rifle, you could always mod the game.

The helmet is nice, but if I recall it correctly, you can't see the face very well through it. I'm also thinking helmets used in combat situations in space would need a wider visor....just rambling, ideas about ME3's "ideal helmet".

As for the weapon mod, I've never modded the Coalesced.ini (I guess that's the one you need to change). Is there any documentation about how to do that?


http://social.biowar...index/5055832/1

All you need to know and then some.

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Thanks, LuxDragon.

Here some new screenshots from Purgatory:

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If I could mod my game(has a 360), I would give Miri the Garrus set-up: Assault rifle and Snipers. With the Mattock, the Incisor, and her power set-up, she would definitely be an invaluable asset to the squad.