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[Ieldra]

Shadedclan wrote...
Nice! But I still don't like the armor design. I know a lot of people are complaining that squad members are just wearing latex and not armor and is so unrealistic. But I like it. So the armor thing doesn't really work out for me.

I wouldn't have an issue with the white outfit if I didn't feel that Enyala's comment was totally justified. It's one thing to enter combat in lighter clothing - asari commandos do it every day - but another to go into combat in an outfit that looks as if it was painted on the skin in most places. I always imagine that people turn to stare at her every time she walks around in public places, and not in a good way. To say nothing of making being inconspicuous as a member of a secret organization a joke.

In a way, we now have two extremes in Miranda's clothing and still no optimal allround outfit for her in my estimation. Though I really like the armor and use it all the time. It's badass, it's sexy.

[Ieldra]

Here some screenshots from my series "Miranda and Shepard agains the rest of the galaxyCollectors".

Flying through the debris field / The Oculus:




Encounter with an old friend:





Planning the Attack on the Base:




Into the Collector Base:

[jtav]

Another excerpt.

The door opened. Thane walked in. Miranda felt a different kind of heat spread over her. It radiated outward from her chest, flowing through her like warm water. His hands were stuffed in his pockets, giving him an oddly boyish look. "I apologize for disturbing you. I'll return when you're not occupied with another patient."

Miranda made a dismissive gesture. "You aren't disturbing me. Is something wrong?"

In answer, he removed his left hand from his pocket. The two fingers in the center had swollen slightly. "I received a glancing blow from the... monstrosity the Collectors were constructing. I was hoping to—what is the expression?—work it off but the injury still pains somewhat."

You idiot! We don't know what that thing could've done. It might have killed you! "Sit." Miranda did her best them to keep the anxiety and anger from her voice, but she detected a slight trembling. She could only hope Mordin and Thane didn't notice, or at least pretend they didn't. She indicated the bed next to Mordin's, and Thane sat on the edge.

Miranda stood in front of him and switched on her omni-tool. A thin blue light shot toward Thane's injured hand and ran over it slowly. "Inflammation of the proximal and distal interphalangeal joints. I'm not seeing much in the way of cellular damage. No broken bones." She turned off the omni-tool. Can you squeeze your fingers? Like you're pulling the trigger?"

Thane did, and winced. "It's quite painful." He gave her a weak smile. "Something of a handicap in my line of work."

Miranda smiled in return. "At least the scans aren't picking up much in the way of permanent damage." Her fear receded slightly. Miranda was once more aware of Thane himself, how very close he was. The scents of leather and cut grass invaded her nose. An alluring combination, and a distracting one if she wasn't careful. At the moment, he was her patient, not an object of fascination, sexual or otherwise. She ran a finger over the affected area. Her gloves blunted the sensation of his skin, but did not eliminate it. Miranda was acutely aware of the heat emanating from him, that the material of her jumpsuit was very thin indeed. She'd only touched him once with her bare skin, and briefly, but she could still remember the sensation. Rough and dry, it had abraded her skin. Not enough to cause true pain, but enough to stick in her memory.

Enough. You have a job to do. "Does it hurt when I do that?" He shook his head. She stepped back and made for the medical computer. The world seemed to right itself and her hormones loosened their death grip on her mental faculties. "I'm going to give you something for the inflammation, but first I need to check and make sure it won't conflict with any medication you're taking for your illness."

The medical reports from the crew and ground team hadn't been updated since a few weeks before Chakwas' kidnapping. Miranda would have to add the deaths and injuries that had occurred on the Collector base. She had no idea what the Illusive Man intended for the SR-2, but she would likely be functioning as the acting medical officer for some time to come. It was past time for her to familiarize herself with the surviving team's medical history, including Thane's.

Lung Capacity: 42% (left-side lung shows large lesions, right lung has nodular lesions only)

Drug treatment: Treatment with tiotropium and albuterol produced negligible results. Recommend course of theophylline.

Metastatic progress: stomach, liver (minor), heart (negligible at this time)

Miranda frowned. Thane had told her two months ago that he was dying, but there was a difference between hearing him say it and seeing it laid out so starkly in his medical history. Every day, it would get just a little harder for him to breathe, until he finally suffocated pain is liver failure didn't kill him first. If I could bring a man back from the dead in two years, you would think the hanar could cure a lung disease in two centuries. She read on.

Treatment Options: Viable transplant candidate but refused to be added to list - Synthetic lung generation currently impossible for drell.

She froze. Thane was a viable transplant option? She had assumed that a transplant was impossible, or that the disease had spread far enough that it wouldn't matter. Miranda reread the medical report. The damage to his other organs was slight. He could survive for years with a new lung. And anything might happen during that time. The hanar were dragging their tentacles, but all it would take was one breakthrough. Why wasn't Thane doing everything he could to survive until then? Surely a slim chance of survival was better than none at all?

She wished she could ask him what was going through his mind. They were bizarrely intimate in some ways. He had been there when she rescued Oriana, and Miranda had stood at his side when he reunited with Kolyat. They had fought side by side for months, learning how to build on the other's strength and compensate for their weaknesses. He always sat next to her and meals. And there was her fascination with the way he moved and spoke. And yet, they weren't what she would have called close. Those mealtime conversations rarely touched on anything more personal than some refinement of their combat technique or a book they'd both read. She'd never pressed for anything else, nor had she offered. Personal entanglements complicated missions like these. One of both of them might have become distracted during a firefight in the other was in danger. And if things had ended badly... well, it was hard enough working with Jacob everyday. She was in no hurry to go down that road again. Yes, keeping her association with Thane professional was definitely the best, but it also meant she had no right to ask him questions like this.

All the drugs mentioned are real, incidentally, and used for the treatment of COPD.

Modifié par jtav, 26 février 2011 - 03:40 .

[Mandelore]

Thought I'd give this thread a bump since it's on the 2nd page! I'm a long time lurker, first time poster =). Miranda is definitely my favorite LI in ME2 for the fact that she shows a woman can be attractive and have brains to boot! I definitely hope Bioware gives her an important role in ME3 and not be reduced to a small cameo role.

[drwells123]

Mandelore wrote...

Thought I'd give this thread a bump since it's on the 2nd page! I'm a long time lurker, first time poster =). Miranda is definitely my favorite LI in ME2 for the fact that she shows a woman can be attractive and have brains to boot! I definitely hope Bioware gives her an important role in ME3 and not be reduced to a small cameo role.

Yeah, I'd love just to get a look at the voice actor/actress list and amount of work done by each

[Ieldra]

Hmm. Apparently everyone is leaving here for something new like DA2. Just in case there are Miranda topics anyone wants to comment, here's a list of topics we've discussed over the time:

*Miranda's outfits - catsuits vs. armor
*Miranda's pragmatism and emotional detachment
*Miranda the idealist (yes she has both aspects)
*Miranda's future - the Illusive Woman?
*Miranda's infertility - cheap sympathy card or cheesy plot device?
*Miranda's resignation - or continuation - as a Cerberus agent
*Miranda's sexuality - the meaning of the engine room scene and the iPartners transcript
*Miranda the femme fatale - or not.
*Miranda the biotic - recreating a plausible backstory
*Miranda's appearance and in-game design (non-outfit related)
*Miranda - a good judge of character (as her backstory necessitates) or not (as the game shows)
*Miranda and aliens
*Miranda's responsibility - or not - for Cerberus' crimes.
*Miranda's spiritual/religious beliefs - would she have any?
*Miranda and Oriana
*Miranda and her father's plans - the dynasty and its purpose
*Miranda's genetic engineering - also a debate about eugenics and transhumanism.
*Miranda as the SR2's XO - good choice or not?
*Miranda at the Collector base - how plausible is her behaviour (flamewar topic - be careful)?
*Miranda's romance - general considerations, "Paragon" vs. "Renegade" path etc.
*Miranda - does the relationship need a friendship path as alternative to the romance?
*Miranda being influenced by Shepard too much - or not.
*Miranda's psychology - or should we rather say psychopathology?
*Miranda's loyalty mission and what it tells about her.
*Miranda's childhood and the reasons that she ran away.
*Miranda's writing and voice acting - the good and the not so good parts.
*Miranda - where will she go in ME3? (Of course we all want an important!!! role for her)

So...I think this is a rather comprehensive list of topics. Feel free to add should I have forgotten anything. Or to comment anything of course.

BTW, nice to see you out in the open, Mandelore 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 février 2011 - 12:47 .

[Hela]

Hmm. Miranda being the one character I´m still warming up to/explaining to myself - these screenies past few pages of her in armor have given me a different sense about her. It´s like she´s moved from liaison to an actual combatant, giving her the credibility she needed in my eyes for the under-heavy-fire parts. Guess I´ll cave in and get the bloody dlc...sigh.
Though it would be really nice for her - and everyone else for that matter - to have casual clothing onboard. Akin to ME. We can dream:)

[jtav]

Okay, here's something we've only touched on before: what happens if you keep the base? Her faith in Cerberus has been deeply shaken. I think she's lost her favored status as well. So, now what?

[hotdogbsg]

Figure this is as good a place to ask as any. I'm currently on my second playthrough and am aiming to keep all my squad alive. Miranda is being a bit of a cow though and isn't loyal after I sided with Jack.

How can I ensure she survives the suicide mission? Or is there a way to get her loyalty back?

[jtav]

She's guaranteed to survive to the final boss. Leave her holding the line and make sure Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt also stay behind.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Okay, here's something we've only touched on before: what happens if you keep the base? Her faith in Cerberus has been deeply shaken. I think she's lost her favored status as well. So, now what?

OK. Shepard kept the base, what happens with Miranda?

I see no reason why she should have lost her favored status - after all, they stopped the Collectors and did what TIM wanted by giving him the base.

How much Miranda's belief in Cerberus has been shaken is another question. After all, all the lines that would indicate such are optional and we get them only in response to Shepard saying certain things. The only place where she appears shaken unconditionally is on Pragia. I'd say it can go either way in ME3 - I can see three ways her character development can be going if you keep the base: (1) she'll accept that Cerberus' methods, as far as she sees them are necessary and continues to work in her current capacity, (2) she'll try to transform Cerberus from within, or (3) she'll leave at a later time. With Shepard having kept the base, she has every reason to stay for pragmatic reasons and for the sake of her sister. 
I think we might get (1) if Shepard works for a TIM-inspired "human supremacist" ending, and either (2) or (3) if he works for an ending where Cerberus has a lesser role or none at all. Either way, I see the delay of the break with Cerberus as the more plausible ending for her personally, because she'd not break with Cerberus without thinking of the consequences that would have for Oriana.

[Ieldra]

hotdogbsg wrote...
Figure this is as good a place to ask as any. I'm currently on my second playthrough and am aiming to keep all my squad alive. Miranda is being a bit of a cow though and isn't loyal after I sided with Jack.

How can I ensure she survives the suicide mission? Or is there a way to get her loyalty back?

Talk with her after the conflict, and if your P/R score is high enough, you can get her loyalty back. You will *not* get the chance to romance her back.

If she is not loyal, then do not take her to the final boss and make sure the "heavy hitters" on the team (Garrus, Grunt and Zaeed) are loyal to keep her alive when holding the line.

I would consider siding with Miranda or to resolve the conflict with Persuasion. I find myself unable to side with Jack in this situation.

@Hela:
Yes, two sets of clothing - casual and on-mission - for everyone, that would be best.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 février 2011 - 03:00 .

[naledgeborn]

I'll bite Ieldra: Miranda's sexuality. Why the hell was she on iPartner's if she's supposedly in love with Shepard Commander? Do they have an open polygamous relationship, or she just trying to get pregnant? I won't lie, it kind of pissed me off cause I left Liara out in the cold for her in my canon.

[jtav]

Am I the only one who hopes the scientist part of her will be re-emphasized in ME3? It kind of disappears adter Lazarus. I love Science Heries, and I'm doing my best to hold onto my view of her as one.

Something I'm mulling over for a fanfic: how do you think Miranda would do as a teacher in a one-on-one situation with a pupil who is gifted and genuinely motivated?

[snfonseka]

Modifié par snfonseka, 27 février 2011 - 03:28 .

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

Am I the only one who hopes the scientist part of her will be re-emphasized in ME3? It kind of disappears adter Lazarus. I love Science Heries, and I'm doing my best to hold onto my view of her as one.

Something I'm mulling over for a fanfic: how do you think Miranda would do as a teacher in a one-on-one situation with a pupil who is gifted and genuinely motivated?

I personally like that part about her. Women in glasses are sexy, unfortunately she has perfect vision. My canon Shepard is a soldier/grunt so the science officer aspect of her personality is appealing to him and balances that out. Where my Shep would storm in guns a blazing she'd advise him to take a step back and layout a plan. 

[jtav]

naledgeborn wrote...

I'll bite Ieldra: Miranda's sexuality. Why the hell was she on iPartner's if she's supposedly in love with Shepard Commander? Do they have an open polygamous relationship, or she just trying to get pregnant? I won't lie, it kind of pissed me off cause I left Liara out in the cold for her in my canon.

There is no date on these transcripts. The relationship (if there is one) can't be considered exclusive until the final romance conversation. Until then, you can hardly say anything if she chooses another avenue for sexual release. She doesn't develop any kind of feelings for Shep until her LM.

[GuitarShredUK]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Okay, here's something we've only touched on before: what happens if you keep the base? Her faith in Cerberus has been deeply shaken. I think she's lost her favored status as well. So, now what?

OK. Shepard kept the base, what happens with Miranda?

I see no reason why she should have lost her favored status - after all, they stopped the Collectors and did what TIM wanted by giving him the base.

How much Miranda's belief in Cerberus has been shaken is another question. After all, all the lines that would indicate such are optional and we get them only in response to Shepard saying certain things. The only place where she appears shaken unconditionally is on Pragia. I'd say it can go either way in ME3 - I can see three ways her character development can be going if you keep the base: (1) she'll accept that Cerberus' methods, as far as she sees them are necessary and continues to work in her current capacity, (2) she'll try to transform Cerberus from within, or (3) she'll leave at a later time. With Shepard having kept the base, she has every reason to stay for pragmatic reasons and for the sake of her sister. 
I think we might get (1) if Shepard works for a TIM-inspired "human supremacist" ending, and either (2) or (3) if he works for an ending where Cerberus has a lesser role or none at all. Either way, I see the delay of the break with Cerberus as the more plausible ending for her personally, because she'd not break with Cerberus without thinking of the consequences that would have for Oriana.

Personally, I would like to see you (as Shepard) to decide with Miranda what the best direction should be for the team and for Cerberus - now, this depends on a number of things. 

Firstly, timing - the team knows the Reapers are coming en masse, they have reached Earth and are attacking the homeworld of humanity so I believe the major stumbling block that is the ungrateful Council should be brought on side. Now, if the player chose to save the Council in ME1 gaining a council seat, then this process is (read: should) be more straightforward. However, the Council now has more reason to not side with Shepard and the team as he is/was working for a staunchly pro-human outfit in Cerberus; now this is where I think Shepard and Miranda can A) work together to convince the Council that all assistance is required to defend humanity and for Shepard and Miranda to decide what to do with Cerberus based on the player's decision(s) at the end of ME2.

Now, I haven't decided to keep the base in any of my playthroughs for numerous reasons, but if I had then IMO I would still support/hope for a situation where Miranda resigns from Cerberus and remains loyal to the team. She may well still have her favoured status as Ieldra has pointed out, but I personally would like to think that enough doubt has been placed in her mind about TIM's/Cerberus's motives and objectives by TIM's desire to keep the base and the knowledge that he believes humanity/Cerberus can gain from it. 

Furthermore, I can only see Shepard's decision to keep the base to be a major come-back-to-bite-you decision, unless he and the team (with Miranda) can reason with TIM well enough to prevent any crazy ambitions. These are what worried me the most at this final key decision in ME2, which is why I always sided with the more common sense decision to remove the base as the benefits of doing this are far too advantageous for ME3. 

Now, this brings in another potentially key decision/event in ME3 that I hope is dealt with well: leaving Cerberus as is and either ignoring them ("...i'm doing things my way whether you agree or not") or considering TIM an ally OR removing Cerberus as a whole as TIM's motives for keeping the base and his potential plans seem too dangerous in scope to be left unchecked. Therefore, I support Ieldra's point (2) about Miranda's development in ME3 in that she effectively reaches the decision to resign (as in supporting Shepard in destroying the base in ME2); but then realises the potential of an asset to the team as a whole that she can now control, a la Liara becoming the new Shadow Broker. So, she can have control of an organisation that can then be moulded to ensure that it fully supports the work of Shepard's team and hopefully drops the one-dimensional human supremacy image a touch, not completely.   

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 27 février 2011 - 04:25 .

[Alessar]

I doubt Miranda will become any type of illusive woman figure in mass effect 3. If the time gap were bigger perhaps, but I don't see them wasting resources on fighting Cerberus. Even if you destroy the base and as mad as the Illusive Man might be he isn't dumb enough to do anything to Shepard or squad. In the end of the day Shepard gets results where many wouldn't. It be a bad investment on his part to destroy Shepard or attempt to after all the money he poured in. Any way I see option 3 as the more likely of options.

[Hela]

snfonseka wrote...*picsnip*

You have a ton of exellent pictures about ME series, but this avatar of yours... takes me out of ME universe all the time. I´ve been waiting for DX follow-up for more time that I´ve known ME  (to say the least, talking about a decade here ) so it gets a little distracting. In a good way, mind you all...
And sorry for being off-topic. Couldn´t resist.
On the topic though - how would she determine her belonging after losing foothold with Cerberus? Has the Shepard-character proven to her that she is a person in her own right or given her the emotional backbone to move on?

[Loki330]

... as mad as the Illusive Man might be [at you making the Collector Base suffer from a terminal case of explosions] he isn't dumb enough to do anything to Shepard or squad. In the end of the day Shepard gets results where many wouldn't...

I notice alot of people (especially in the ol' fanfics) like to forget this bit. TIM is brutally pragmatic. After all, assuming you spent a good chunk of ME1 trying to screw cerberus over, he's still willing to invest time and stupid amounts of money to ressurect you because he... well for god's sake watch the opening cutscene, it's made clear there.

After the reapers? Yes, I can see him doing something then. I'd be very suprised if he did something to antagonise Shepard during the attack however.

[Alessar]

Even after the Reaper attack, if Shepard or Miranda are alive, why would he bother them? Miranda's genetic background is seen as a plus by Cerberus.

Shepard even after dealing with the threat, if he lives, would still increase human influence. Does anybody honestly think TIM would do anything that might cause a dent in human influence?

[Loki330]

Well after saving the galaxy and all sentient life from annihilation, the only way is down. TIM might decide to get payback and off Shepard before he starts to 'tarnish' as it were.

[amcnow]

Alessar wrote...

Even after the Reaper attack, if Shepard or Miranda are alive, why would he bother them? Miranda's genetic background is seen as a plus by Cerberus.

Shepard even after dealing with the threat, if he lives, would still increase human influence. Does anybody honestly think TIM would do anything that might cause a dent in human influence?

This is the same narcissistic man who believes Cerberus is humanity.  So I believe TIM will come after the both of them (and probably Oriana as well).

[Alessar]

amcnow wrote...

Alessar wrote...

Even after the Reaper attack, if Shepard or Miranda are alive, why would he bother them? Miranda's genetic background is seen as a plus by Cerberus.

Shepard even after dealing with the threat, if he lives, would still increase human influence. Does anybody honestly think TIM would do anything that might cause a dent in human influence?

This is the same narcissistic man who believes Cerberus is humanity.  So I believe TIM will come after the both of them (and probably Oriana as well).

He might be narcissistic, but he isn't an idiot.