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[LuxDragon]

I agree. The knows the Reapers will kill everyone. He knows that Shepard is the most experianced man to wage a compaign against them. And he knows that reprisals would only satisfy a need for revenge, but would be ultimately petty.

He's a big picture kind of guy. He think's he's above petty details.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Am I the only one who hopes the scientist part of her will be re-emphasized in ME3? It kind of disappears adter Lazarus. I love Science Heries, and I'm doing my best to hold onto my view of her as one.

Just to chime in: I would like to see this as well. Though I'd also like the badass spy with superpowers aspect re-emphasized.

Something I'm mulling over for a fanfic: how do you think Miranda would do as a teacher in a one-on-one situation with a pupil who is gifted and genuinely motivated?

I think as a teacher, she'd be the "keep up or get out" type, and she'd be delighted to have a gifted and motivated student. She'd be no less demanding than with anyone else, maybe even more so, but she'll be reasonably patient, unlike with others who might be less gifted or motivated. On an intellectual level, she might understand not everyone is genetically engineered to learn as fast as she does, but she'd not have a lot of patience with slow learners in spite of this.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
I'll bite Ieldra: Miranda's sexuality. Why the hell was she on iPartner's if she's supposedly in love with Shepard Commander? Do they have an open polygamous relationship, or she just trying to get pregnant? I won't lie, it kind of pissed me off cause I left Liara out in the cold for her in my canon.

What jtav said - there is no date on the meetings and the relationship with Shepard is not fixed at least until the "promise" scene. As for getting pregnant, that would be an incredibly stupid way to do that, so I doubt it. I think she was just looking for a bit of sexual release in-between. The writing was over-the-top, though, so I don't take these parts seriously in the first place.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 février 2011 - 10:22 .

[Ieldra]

GuitarShredUK wrote...
Personally, I would like to see you (as Shepard) to decide with Miranda what the best direction should be for the team and for Cerberus - now, this depends on a number of things. 

Firstly, timing - the team knows the Reapers are coming en masse, they have reached Earth and are attacking the homeworld of humanity so I believe the major stumbling block that is the ungrateful Council should be brought on side. Now, if the player chose to save the Council in ME1 gaining a council seat, then this process is (read: should) be more straightforward. However, the Council now has more reason to not side with Shepard and the team as he is/was working for a staunchly pro-human outfit in Cerberus; now this is where I think Shepard and Miranda can A) work together to convince the Council that all assistance is required to defend humanity and for Shepard and Miranda to decide what to do with Cerberus based on the player's decision(s) at the end of ME2.

Plainly, I'd like to see the Council have a less stupid stance than in ME2. They should know that if the Reapers attack Earth and succeed, they'll come at the home worlds of the other species next.
(Hmm...on second thought, i can see them holding out in the hope that the Reapers will remove humanity from the picture and come out of it weakened enough that the other species can deal with them).
Anyway, if I have my way I'll bully them into working together and deal with the Cerberus fallout once the Reapers are defeated.

Now, I haven't decided to keep the base in any of my playthroughs for numerous reasons, but if I had then IMO I would still support/hope for a situation where Miranda resigns from Cerberus and remains loyal to the team. She may well still have her favoured status as Ieldra has pointed out, but I personally would like to think that enough doubt has been placed in her mind about TIM's/Cerberus's motives and objectives by TIM's desire to keep the base and the knowledge that he believes humanity/Cerberus can gain from it.

I would like the option for Miranda to resign at a later point, but I don't think the base as such should be a factor in that decision. In fact, I think the desire to gain knowledge is very much a part of her, and if anything, she'd remove TIM from power in order to make a less controversial use of the base. For the plain fact is that humanity *can* get a lot of knowledge from it if the scientists are careful enough. Reaper tech shouldn't be some Cthuluesque collection of Artifacts of Evil ™. It should be just technology, even if it's dangerous. If it turns out that it is (that collection of Artifacts of Evil), that will destroy the ME universe as a believable SF universe for me. I didn't start playing an SF game series only to land in a fantasy universe where evil is always intrinsic and going back to the status quo ante is always the most desirable outcome.  

Furthermore, I can only see Shepard's decision to keep the base to be a major come-back-to-bite-you decision, unless he and the team (with Miranda) can reason with TIM well enough to prevent any crazy ambitions. These are what worried me the most at this final key decision in ME2, which is why I always sided with the more common sense decision to remove the base as the benefits of doing this are far too advantageous for ME3.

That's interesting. I keep the base for exactly that reason, IMO, keeping it is strategic common sense, and it should be destroying the base that comes back to bite us in the ass, unless you talk about an after-the-Reaper scenario where exclusive access to Reaper technology by an unreformed Cerberus would be very, very undesirable. I think that considerations of intuitive morality cloud people's perceptions of what is common sense in this case. 
Having said that, preventing TIM from misusing it the way many think he will - by sacrificing lots of humans - should definitely be an option and an opportunity to show Miranda's character development in one way or the other. It can be done by convincing him or by removing him. If things turn out badly, it might even be necessary to destroy the Collector base at that point in time, though again, if it is we probably won't see it happen except in an e-mail  

Now, this brings in another potentially key decision/event in ME3 that I hope is dealt with well: leaving Cerberus as is and either ignoring them ("...i'm doing things my way whether you agree or not") or considering TIM an ally OR removing Cerberus as a whole as TIM's motives for keeping the base and his potential plans seem too dangerous in scope to be left unchecked. Therefore, I support Ieldra's point (2) about Miranda's development in ME3 in that she effectively reaches the decision to resign (as in supporting Shepard in destroying the base in ME2); but then realises the potential of an asset to the team as a whole that she can now control, a la Liara becoming the new Shadow Broker. So, she can have control of an organisation that can then be moulded to ensure that it fully supports the work of Shepard's team and hopefully drops the one-dimensional human supremacy image a touch, not completely.   

That's my preferred scenario, though again more as an after-the-Reapers scenario. I don't think we'll see more than the beginning of that "Ceberus reform", should we get the opportunity, in ME3. As with the base, so with Cerberus: I would like Miranda to see that the resources can be useful but how they're studied/used has to be considered with care - with enough care to count as paranoid in both cases, but even so preferable to complete destruction.

[Ieldra]

Loki330 wrote...

... as mad as the Illusive Man might be [at you making the Collector Base suffer from a terminal case of explosions] he isn't dumb enough to do anything to Shepard or squad. In the end of the day Shepard gets results where many wouldn't...

I notice alot of people (especially in the ol' fanfics) like to forget this bit. TIM is brutally pragmatic. After all, assuming you spent a good chunk of ME1 trying to screw cerberus over, he's still willing to invest time and stupid amounts of money to ressurect you because he... well for god's sake watch the opening cutscene, it's made clear there.

After the reapers? Yes, I can see him doing something then. I'd be very suprised if he did something to antagonise Shepard during the attack however.

That's one reason why I'd like to remove TIM as a threat once and for all in ME3, by convincing him or by killing him.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 février 2011 - 11:03 .

[Jebel Krong]

i highly doubt TIM would be "convinced" of anything - shep is purely the "enemy of my enemy" for the duration of ME2.

been working on new backgrounds for my blogs, thought this would make a good wallpaper (all artwork credited to patryk garrett):

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 01 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[snfonseka]

[Elyvern]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i highly doubt TIM would be "convinced" of anything - shep is purely the "enemy of my enemy" for the duration of ME2.

been working on new backgrounds for my blogs, thought this would make a good wallpaper (all artwork credited to patryk garrett):

(snip)

Nice! Mind making one with Shepard on the other side?

[keboo]

Yes please!

[LuxDragon]

Thirded!

[SanitariumPr]

Patryk Garrett has some amazing talent in those things.

[Jebel Krong]

Elyvern wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

i highly doubt TIM would be "convinced" of anything - shep is purely the "enemy of my enemy" for the duration of ME2.

been working on new backgrounds for my blogs, thought this would make a good wallpaper (all artwork credited to patryk garrett):

(snip)

Nice! Mind making one with Shepard on the other side?

I considered Shepard already but the watermark is in a... difficult position. I will try again tomorrow for you though and post if I can get a decent version. I have one with mirrored mirandas which looks pretty cool too.

[eldav]

After my last playtrough i really began to see the bright side of Miranda and keept her as a squadmate trougout the game.
That sayed i wonder if there are some mod that makes her face less masculine. (no i dont want to start a flame war).

[Rusty Pabst]

Another Miranda image:



http://masseffectscr...011/02/28/3542/

[drwells123]

Welcome to Tuesday

www.fanfiction.net/s/6708374/5/

[Ieldra]

eldav wrote...
After my last playtrough i really began to see the bright side of Miranda and keept her as a squadmate trougout the game.

Yet another one. Welcome.

That sayed i wonder if there are some mod that makes her face less masculine. (no i dont want to start a flame war).

I am unaware of any Miranda face mods. I'm also unsure if changing the 3d model would result in any improvement. The occasional drop into the "uncanny valley" is mostly a result of the game's overly defined shadows.

Besides, do you really think she looks masculine in these pictures:

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[GuitarShredUK]

drwells123 wrote...

Welcome to Tuesday

www.fanfiction.net/s/6708374/5/

Great chapter drwells - and a great fanfic too, really interesting to be able to have such a detailed view into Shepard's recovery.

[Ieldra]

drwells123 wrote...
Welcome to Tuesday

www.fanfiction.net/s/6708374/5/

I'm sorry to say that Miranda is starting to be awfully out of character here. There was a hint of it even in the first chapter, but you could put that down on character interpretation. In this chapter it's gone way overboard. She is absolutely unrecognizeable now.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 mars 2011 - 11:12 .

[Jebel Krong]

images credited as before: patryk garrett.

edit: changed link to be more appropriate given public arena and due credit...

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 02 mars 2011 - 02:21 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

@drwells
Your new chapter is great! Miranda and Kate are so IC here that it's hard to match the characterisation. Keep it up!

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

@drwells
Your new chapter is great! Miranda and Kate are so IC here that it's hard to match the characterisation. Keep it up!

/facepalm.

[keboo]

Thanks Jebel Krong!

[Ieldra]

I found this on deviantart. Don't know if it's new:



Artist link

[Zulu_DFA]

jtav wrote...

Am I the only one who hopes the scientist part of her will be re-emphasized in ME3? It kind of disappears adter Lazarus.

Just curious: since when has Miranda become a scientist?

[LuxDragon]

Since always, probably. She's supposed to be the pinnicle of human perfection. Looks and brains.

Considering her involvment in bringing Shepard back from the dead, she has to have some measure of intellictual talent.

@Jebel: Thanks for the wallpaper. It's up on my desktop now!

@Ieldra2: Never seen it before. Very nice!