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[Prudii Aden]

Same for me - it's not a deal breaker, but some people have posted here that it is. Anyway, the situation is entirely solvable should Miranda wish it to be so. I know that my Shepard would support her, whatever she chose.

[Mosabexo]

hey guys .. I have an important QA :-

I really loved Miranda but my stupidity and conversation options stupidity did not allow me to reach the love scene with her at the end ( before the last mission ) , coz I chose ( It's nothing ) after the chat which Shep tryed to have her body ,, will that affect on ME 3 ( the feeling between u & ur crew especially the love scenes ) ? no matter what the affect will be an extremely small affect or a big one ?

please do not answer me unless ur sure what the answer is ( yes OR no )

thank u

Modifié par Mosabexo, 07 mars 2011 - 10:52 .

[Ieldra]

Mosabexo wrote...
I really loved Miranda but my stupidity and conversation options stupidity did not allow me to reach the love scene with her at the end ( before the last mission ) , coz I chose ( It's nothing ) after the chat which Shep tryed to have her body ,, will that affect on ME 3 ( the feeling between u & ur crew especially the love scenes ) ? no matter what the affect will be an extremely small affect or a big one ?

The answer "It's nothing" will end the romance, es evidenced by your failure to get the engine room scene. It is most plausible that the romance will count as ended if you import that game to ME3.

Several people here wish that we could take that answer as a delay ("Let's keep things professional for now") instead of as an end, and that we'll be able to re-activate the romance after choosing that answer in ME3, but as far as anyone knows, it *is* the end. Nothing definite has been said by anyone official, and likely nobody will know definitely until ME3 is out.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Some like to think that Miranda doesn't want a child at some point of her life. But what if her father tampered with her mindset and hormones/whatever to make her WANT to have children?

[drwells123]

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[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Some like to think that Miranda doesn't want a child at some point of her life. But what if her father tampered with her mindset and hormones/whatever to make her WANT to have children?

As I said, Bioware shouldn't force it either way.

As for the argument, genetic engineering does not equal mind control. You can tamper with the sex drive, which has been the biological basis for reproduction for 99% of the human species' biological history, but in a time where sex has been disconnected from reproduction, the wish for a child is more a result of social conditioning and other influences on lifestyle preferences.

[Boilrig]

We will have to see where the Miranda background leads, as in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 you continue to learn more about the Characters, Depending on what else has happened in her life before Shepard, might change her thoughts on children.

Modifié par Boilrig, 08 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[Ieldra]

Boilrig wrote...
We will have to see where the Miranda background leads, as in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 you continue to learn more about the Characters, Depending on what else has happened in her life before Shepard, might change her thoughts on children.

I dislike this talk about Shepard moulding Miranda to suit his preferences. There's already too much of that in the game. And then Liara going "You don't know how much you've changed her". Ick. Creepy as hell. I'd rather have the games present things as her own choice in the matter, no matter that it will always depend on which dialogue option we choose.

All that presupposing that this topic even comes up.

BTW, this talk about children is annoying. Why can't we talk about something else - for instance: What will MIranda do after ME3, professionally? She'll not be happy unless she's using her special skills and traits to benefit humanity in some way as she sees it. And what will she do it resigned from Ceberus, or if not resigned?

Yeah, that, too, has been talked about. Several times.

Also, here's another, rarely asked question. I know it's difficult because we all have a different image of our Shepards, but what do you thank attracts Miranda to Shepard? For given his his standard portrayal as a charismatic, but not-too-smart leader with lots of luck and the ability to steamroll over everyone but incapable of subtlety, I'd say he's not her type. So what makes your Shepards attractive to her - in spite of that?

[Prudii Aden]

In some respects, it's exactly because he is an unstoppable force. He's the iron fist to her (reinforced) velvet glove. Miranda knows where she stands with my Shepard, and she knows that he appreciates and understands grey areas and realpolitik, even if he does prefer black and white. One metaphor she might use to describe him is that he's a lot like the ocean. Beautiful when calm and has hidden depths but terrifying when roused.

[drwells123]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I dislike this talk about Shepard moulding Miranda to suit his preferences. There's already too much of that in the game. And then Liara going "You don't know how much you've changed her". Ick. Creepy as hell. I'd rather have the games present things as her own choice in the matter, no matter that it will always depend on which dialogue option we choose.

I've only heard the "You don't know how much you've changed her" line when it's FemShep talking to Liara about Miranda (recorded, but not in the game) and I always liked it. But now that you mention it, it is hard to picture that line with DudeShep. I think I see him as less emotional (due to the voice acting, and some conversations that FemShep has with Jacob and Thane that he doesn't) and not likely to change Miranda in the way Liara implies.

[Revan061]

Prudii Aden wrote...

In some respects, it's exactly because he is an unstoppable force. He's the iron fist to her (reinforced) velvet glove. Miranda knows where she stands with my Shepard, and she knows that he appreciates and understands grey areas and realpolitik, even if he does prefer black and white. One metaphor she might use to describe him is that he's a lot like the ocean. Beautiful when calm and has hidden depths but terrifying when roused.

This. I like to think that my somewhat idealist shep and Miranda, being much more of a realist and/or more practical, balance each other out quite nicely. She keeps his head out of the clouds, and he brings her hope for the future(in the bigger picture, and a more personal level).

[Blarty]

I think it starts on the Shuttle ride as they escape the Lazarus station - Shephard understands that he's not perfect, and that he has had some tough decisions to make with bad and often life changing consequences, and that he has flaws and regret. Miranda on the other hand has seen nothing but 100% success as a failure, whilst despising her fathers quest for perfection, she herself has come to mirror that in her appraisal of herself, and the idea of letting someone get close scares the hell out of her, hence the whole Ice Queen persona.

Miranda realises that whilst Shephard isn't perfect, it also means that he's not encumbered by his own neuroses as much as she is. As the quest for the collators continues, Miranda stops thinking of Shephard being an icon, and more of being a man, and by the same token, she stops thinking of herself in terms of percentage success, and instead starts to realise there are things to be valued beyond 'getting the job done regardless of the cost'. I don't think that Shephard necessarily changes her, hence his idea that he hasn't, but I believe that his principles and his 'people matter' viewpoint ( esp if paragon ) do make her change her viewpoint on things, even if Shephard does not explicitly cause that change to occur.

Or at least that's what I think....

[SilentK]

Hi guys =)
I've been reading this tread a bit, just to get to know Miranda a bit better. I never play a male shep so I don't get to see the romance part of Miranda but she is always a good friend. Don't know if this is old info that you been over plenty of times, I've looked a little bit back, but what do you think that Miranda wants to do regarding her sister if she leaves cerberus. One of the reasons cerberus keept Oriana safe was that it was the easiest way to keep Miranda loyal and happy. If Miranda leaves cerberus, what happens then. If your shepard blows the base, leaves cerberus with Miranda that quite a few assets walking away. Do you think that cerberus would sell out Oriana if Miranda leaves. Perhaps one of the first things you have to do in ME3 is to get Oriana to a new place. Hmm... just pondering a bit.

Have fun on the forum =)

Edit: spelling

Modifié par SilentK, 09 mars 2011 - 02:49 .

[Ieldra]

Many of us have speculated about what will happen with or to Oriana if Miranda resigns. We know TIM has a vindictive streak, and Miranda would want to get her sister out of Cerberus' reach as fast as possible. How she'll do that is anyone's guess. However, I do not think Oriana will feature in ME3 again, except perhaps as a sender of mails.

Anyway, all that won't happen in my games, because I don't blow up the base.

[TheMarshal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Many of us have speculated about what will happen with or to Oriana if Miranda resigns. We know TIM has a vindictive streak, and Miranda would want to get her sister out of Cerberus' reach as fast as possible. How she'll do that is anyone's guess. However, I do not think Oriana will feature in ME3 again, except perhaps as a sender of mails.

Anyway, all that won't happen in my games, because I don't blow up the base.

See...  I don't agree with that assertion.  TIM is a lot of things - conniving, manipulative, an outright liar - but he's not vindictive.  Above all else he wants the advancement of humanity.  If that means turning to aliens for help when humans aren't the best race suited for the job, he will.  If that means allowing people to deviate from the mission parameters slightly so that in the future they will be more loyal, he'll allow it.  He won't go after Oriana just because Miranda's no longer part of Cerberus because there's no reason to.  I imagine that Miranda would understand that.

[jtav]

That depends on the version of TIM we're dealing with. Redemption/ME2 TIM would simply withdraw his protection. Retribution TIM is petty enough to make Oriana's life a living hell. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-meet Miranda in the capacity of protecting her sister.

[Xilizhra]

drwells123 wrote...

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[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

That depends on the version of TIM we're dealing with. Redemption/ME2 TIM would simply withdraw his protection. Retribution TIM is petty enough to make Oriana's life a living hell. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-meet Miranda in the capacity of protecting her sister.

Hmm...  Haven't read Retribution, but the more I hear about it the more I think that I need to.

I'm sure Liara would be willing to help protect Oriana if Miranda (via Shepard) asked her to.

[Ieldra]

Xilizrha, would you please desist talking about things you have no understanding of (not just here, btw). I understand that you like the story, and that's OK, but the Miranda we see there is not the one ME2 shows us, within or without the romance. Miranda Lawson is nothing like that, she doesn't show a single facet of being a caregiver in the whole of the game, or of her backstory.

And if you're here to provoke, as I suspect, take it elsewhere.

[Ieldra]

TheMarshal wrote...

jtav wrote...

That depends on the version of TIM we're dealing with. Redemption/ME2 TIM would simply withdraw his protection. Retribution TIM is petty enough to make Oriana's life a living hell. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-meet Miranda in the capacity of protecting her sister.

Hmm...  Haven't read Retribution, but the more I hear about it the more I think that I need to.

I'm sure Liara would be willing to help protect Oriana if Miranda (via Shepard) asked her to.

Retribution isn't that good. TIM is a lot more interesting in the game. I agree that ME2 TIM would simply withdraw his protection.

[Dean_the_Young]

Counterargument: TIM could maintain that protection, and make it clear to Miranda that he was still doing so.

If TIM withdraws the protection... well, nothing happens by intent. Miranda still has her eyes out for the only dedicated source of trouble (Miranda's father), and anything that happens is a matter of chance of life.

But if TIM maintains protection, he has a line on Miranda that could be used to his advantage at some future date. Perhaps she's compromised into an unwilling mole. Perhaps she's given 'suggestions' about suggestions she should make.

Or perhaps, for the best revenge, he does nothing, and lets her worry about what he intends, all while knowing what he could do if he's so inclined.


I don't buy into the plausibility of TIM going after Oriana: using her to his advantage, yes, but targeting the relatives for retaliation hasn't been Cerberus's style or playbook.

[DWH1982]

Keep in mind that Miranda knows where all (or at least more than a few) of the bodies are buried with Cerberus. It would be stupid for TIM to make a move against her sister when she could probably cause him any number of problems herself.

Also, if necessary, Shepard now has an "in" with the Shadow Broker, who has a network of contacts and resources as extensive as, if not greater than, Cerberus. Shepard could potentially get in touch with Liara, and Oirana could go from Cerberus protection to Shadow Broker protection.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizrha, would you please desist talking about things you have no understanding of (not just here, btw). I understand that you like the story, and that's OK, but the Miranda we see there is not the one ME2 shows us, within or without the romance. Miranda Lawson is nothing like that, she doesn't show a single facet of being a caregiver in the whole of the game, or of her backstory.

And if you're here to provoke, as I suspect, take it elsewhere.

So... someone posts a fanfiction chapter in this thread. I compliment the author without making any references to whether her story is better than anyone else's, only that I liked it. And you attack me for it?

Honestly? I'm baffled.

[Ieldra]

It may be I'm still annoyed about your earlier outrageous claim, Xilizhra. Take my last post as a belated answer to that one.

[SgtPotato]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizrha, would you please desist talking about things you have no understanding of (not just here, btw). I understand that you like the story, and that's OK, but the Miranda we see there is not the one ME2 shows us, within or without the romance. Miranda Lawson is nothing like that, she doesn't show a single facet of being a caregiver in the whole of the game, or of her backstory.

And if you're here to provoke, as I suspect, take it elsewhere.

So... someone posts a fanfiction chapter in this thread. I compliment the author without making any references to whether her story is better than anyone else's, only that I liked it. And you attack me for it?

Honestly? I'm baffled.

She always do that everytime she jump in conclusion.