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[Ieldra]

Another old favorite screenshot....



That interview, btw, doesn't make me exactly optimistic. For the first time, I'm feeling a little depressed about ME3. If we get a complete new cast again I'll write ME3 off.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[Mr Plow]

Ieldra2 wrote...

That interview, btw, doesn't make me exactly optimistic. For the first time, I'm feeling a little depressed about ME3. If we get a complete new cast again I'll write ME3 off.

That interview was a little worrying yes. If the squadmates are reduced to Dragon Age 2 like cameos or we only see them in optional side missions

[jtav]

Well, for better or worse, they've disproven my core assumption that all returning LIs will be treated equally. Miranda's casual appeal my protect her. I'm more concerned about the quality of her role. What half the fanbase wants would be reason enough for me to kill her. *hopes for genuinely rruthless pragmatist character in ME3*

In happier news, I'm working on filling a short Miranda/FemShep prompt in which Shepard comes out of Lazarus heavily scarred. Likely to be 1000 words, give or take.

Modifié par jtav, 27 mars 2011 - 01:33 .

[Raizo]

TomY90 wrote...

Me personally I always take Miranda on every mission not just tactically but because I like the whole package of the character (not just visually but the story, the dialogue etc). Definitely my favourite game character for being such a well thought threw character.

I hope Bioware keep it up with the brilliantly written characters they are the best at it by far out of all the game developers as well as the stories

Also hoping Miranda will be a squad player in ME3 and hope for possible happy ending with shepherd and Miranda

Same here, Miranda does not leave my party unless the game forces me to go somewhere without her.

I really hope she comes back as a squad mate in ME3.

[Raizo]

Mr Plow wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

That interview, btw, doesn't make me exactly optimistic. For the first time, I'm feeling a little depressed about ME3. If we get a complete new cast again I'll write ME3 off.

That interview was a little worrying yes. If the squadmates are reduced to Dragon Age 2 like cameos or we only see them in optional side missions

That interview didn't exactly put any of my fears to rest either, in fact it's probably made things worse. It's knid of hard to get excited about ME3 when your not really sure what kind of role your favorite ME character is going to have in it.

[Mr Plow]

Raizo wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

That interview, btw, doesn't make me exactly optimistic. For the first time, I'm feeling a little depressed about ME3. If we get a complete new cast again I'll write ME3 off.

That interview was a little worrying yes. If the squadmates are reduced to Dragon Age 2 like cameos or we only see them in optional side missions

That interview didn't exactly put any of my fears to rest either, in fact it's probably made things worse. It's knid of hard to get excited about ME3 when your not really sure what kind of role your favorite ME character is going to have in it.

I would not want to be the development team trying to sort out all the potential permutations over squadmates ranging from those who kept everyone alive and hopes to have them all involved to those who, deliberately or otherwise are flying the Normandy with just Kasumi and Zaeed working overtime

I had hoped Miranda would be right alongside Shepard from the outset of the game but I think that may be optimistic now

[Jebel Krong]

Raizo wrote...

Mr Plow wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

That interview, btw, doesn't make me exactly optimistic. For the first time, I'm feeling a little depressed about ME3. If we get a complete new cast again I'll write ME3 off.

That interview was a little worrying yes. If the squadmates are reduced to Dragon Age 2 like cameos or we only see them in optional side missions

That interview didn't exactly put any of my fears to rest either, in fact it's probably made things worse. It's knid of hard to get excited about ME3 when your not really sure what kind of role your favorite ME character is going to have in it.

at the end of the day - it's shepard's story, Miranda doesn't have to be a squad-mate to have a meaningful role (nor do any of the other returners for that matter), there's just no way to account for everyone who could die (even garrus and tali), at least miranda has a large degree of plot immunity in me2 till the very end.

that said i would really like miranda to be a squaddie as well as my LI in ME3...

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, for better or worse, they've disproven my core assumption that all returning LIs will be treated equally.

They did? What did they say?

BTW, I always considered that a possibility, given that two of the LIs have built-in time limits.

[Boilrig]

Being the end of the Shepard story arc, they will be pulling every character in, with the huge support of various parts of the community behind many of the characters create a situation where removing teammates or reducing them to a smaller part is a risk in ME3 and future games from Bioware. If these characters don't appear as squadmates, whatever the reason, the community will come to the decision that Bioware doesn't listen to their loyal community.

Of course, you can't have everyone, but it comes down to what the writer decides and what the community wants. Mass Effect 2 had great reviews, but for ME3, the last thing they want is players going through the game and coming out disappointed, it will pull the community apart.

Modifié par Boilrig, 28 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Well, for better or worse, they've disproven my core assumption that all returning LIs will be treated equally.

They did? What did they say?

BTW, I always considered that a possibility, given that two of the LIs have built-in time limits.

Liara vs. Ash/Kaidan. Liara gets her own DLC. The VS gets the email. So I'd say fairness isn't a concern.

[Jebel Krong]

Boilrig wrote...

Being the end of the Shepard story arc, they will be pulling every character in, with the huge support of various parts of the community behind many of the characters create a situation where removing teammates or reducing them to a smaller part is a risk in ME3 and future games from Bioware. If these characters don't appear as squadmates, whatever the reason, the community will come to the decision that Bioware doesn't listen to their loyal community.

Of course, you can't have everyone, but it comes down to what the writer decides and what the community wants. Mass Effect 2 had great reviews, but for ME3, the last thing they want is players going through the game and coming out disappointed, it will pull the community apart.

er, yeah - they don't do what the "community" wants, they do what's right for the experience/story/game. the community has zero - ZERO - input into what goes into the game. oh sure they listen to feedback to improve the experiences and occasionally do stuff just for certain parts of the audience (tali/garrus being romanceable in me2), but to think that somehow the "community" has some say or influence in the process is just plain ludicrous  - for a start there are just so many disparate opinions it would never work anyway.

hell if it were up to the "community" 90% ME3 would be wrapping up the romances and there wouldn't be time for the conclusion to the actual plot. i get the feeling they'd prefer it that way, too... 

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 28 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Well, for better or worse, they've disproven my core assumption that all returning LIs will be treated equally.

They did? What did they say?

BTW, I always considered that a possibility, given that two of the LIs have built-in time limits.

Liara vs. Ash/Kaidan. Liara gets her own DLC. The VS gets the email. So I'd say fairness isn't a concern.

let's wait and see what happens in ME3 before getting all melodromatic, okay. Liara got the DLC to sideline her plot-wise for ME3, VS has limited appeal as dlc because a lot of people (PS3 crowd) didn't have ME1 so it's only a handful of people that even give a crap about VS by now...

hell i remember it being exactly the same in the lead-up to ME2: "this" or "that" person better be in it or else type stuff, and look what happened - we got some of the best new characters in entertainment media, ever. who's to say that won't happen again?

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Well, for better or worse, they've disproven my core assumption that all returning LIs will be treated equally.

They did? What did they say?

BTW, I always considered that a possibility, given that two of the LIs have built-in time limits.

Liara vs. Ash/Kaidan. Liara gets her own DLC. The VS gets the email. So I'd say fairness isn't a concern.

let's wait and see what happens in ME3 before getting all melodromatic, okay. Liara got the DLC to sideline her plot-wise for ME3, VS has limited appeal as dlc because a lot of people (PS3 crowd) didn't have ME1 so it's only a handful of people that even give a crap about VS by now...

hell i remember it being exactly the same in the lead-up to ME2: "this" or "that" person better be in it or else type stuff, and look what happened - we got some of the best new characters in entertainment media, ever. who's to say that won't happen again?

From the statistics, 50% of all players imported an ME1 game to play ME2, so I'd say how they treat the VS should be a concern. I also won't complain if they give me a handful (!) of new characters to play with. But I won't be able (and willing) to appreciate them much if Miranda doesn't come back in a significant role. I don't mind her being away from the team for most of the game, what I care about is a significant amount of interaction. A temporary team member plus a role in the plot and quite a bit of dialogue, that would be my dream scenario.

[jtav]

My chief desire is that be doing something to assist against the Reapers and being the ruthless superspy I fell in love with. And no miracle babies. The reason I brought up the VS is that I had assumed that what they did for one returning LI, they would do for all. In other words, all ME2 LIs will be squaddies or all will be cameos. The treatment of the VS compared to Liara leads me to believe LIs may be handled differently.

[TheMarshal]

I know I may not seem like the most unbiased of sources, but I'm kind of glad they didn't try to shoehorn in the VS into a DLC. Kaidan and Ashley are two separate characters with distinct personalities, and if they had been bundled together in one DLC it would have meant that they would have been treated as a single entity, which would be pretty weak (granted, the way they handled the VS in ME2 is pretty damn weak to begin with...)

LotSB was great because it focused on one character and integrated them into the greater story arc, which would have been damn near impossible to do properly with Ashley and Kaidan using the exact same content. Waiting until ME3 will allow the devs to create unique content for each character, which will (hopefully) make it worth the wait.

I am curious as to what the differences will be with a non-squaddie LI and a squaddie LI. Or will everyone eventually become a squaddie so that their romance can advance?

[Prudii Aden]

It'll be interesting to see what they do. Right now, I'm on the fence as to whether I pre-order or not. If I know Miranda is a full squad member, then I will. Otherwise? It'll have to be some majorly awesome pre-order bonus to get me to do so.

[jtav]

Thanks to Arrival, I'm seriously doubting whether I'll get it at all. It sounds as if they have broken my Shepard twice now. I do have one or two that I'm attached to. Miranda would have to have a fantastic role to revitalize my interest in the series.

[Haventh]

I simply cannot play with Miranda without that armor from alternate apperance pack 2 anymore. I have always liked Miranda as a character though, but i like her more now. Because i think it is more within her character to wear a proper armor for combat than a silly latex suit.

[Jebel Krong]

Prudii Aden wrote...

It'll be interesting to see what they do. Right now, I'm on the fence as to whether I pre-order or not. If I know Miranda is a full squad member, then I will. Otherwise? It'll have to be some majorly awesome pre-order bonus to get me to do so.

so the merits of the game (and previous games) don't factor? 

[jtav]

I can't speak for PA, but for me, the squad is the merit. I'm a story and character gamer who requires her gameplay mostly to not be intrusive. The Reaper plot doesn't interest me. I'm feeling increasingly hamstrung in my ability to RP thanks to a lack of options on things I considered cornerstones of my character in ME1. The NPCs are the draw at this point.

[drwells123]

To anyone who is following Recovery, my apologies for the lateness of today's chapter. I bit off more than I could chew writing two fics at once, so I'm still working on it. No Arrival for me until I get it done

[Prudii Aden]

Bioware have promoted the games as a trilogy and made a big deal out of 'actions have consequences' and that squadmate death in the suicide mission will affect 3, so them completely scrapping the squadmates from 1 & 2 will make a lie of it all. For me, the squadmates are the merit, like jtav said. They're well put together games no doubt, but they've made (and harped on about) how the games are integrated, decisions tracked etc then they better walk the walk, otherwise Bioware's reputation is going to take a severe hit. By this I mean if the squadmates from the previous two are reduced to cameo status, then what's the point? Especially when considering the ruckus they made over the consequences of cheating on your previous interest? Any of this help?

[Prudii Aden]

As a side point- can you imagine the ruckus if in 3, you couldn't continue your Shepard's relationship with any of their previous partners? Especially those who didn't romance anyone in 2?

[jtav]

Arrival spoilers have drastically reduced my rage about Shepard. Drastically.

As for cameos, it depends on the execution. Again, based on spoilers, I'm happy with something Miranda might be doing.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Arrival spoilers have drastically reduced my rage about Shepard. Drastically.

Why that?

I just finished it. I'm satisfied that Shepard doesn't come across as stupid, but that wasn't your main problem wasn't it? 

As for cameos, it depends on the execution. Again, based on spoilers, I'm happy with something Miranda might be doing.

I haven't seen anything about the team in Arrival. What are you talking about?