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[Arijharn]

I think she does look pale, but I don't think it's enough to really detract from her in any way. Since a tan is dependent on being in the sun, then if she's stuck on a space station for the better part of 2 years then I wouldn't think she'd have much chance to tan to begin with -- but hey, I recognize that there's a bit of a flaw with that theory when Jack can emerge from cyrosleep and still be a little more taned than Miranda.

[MisterJB]

Personally, I find her to be gorgeous...from the rigth angle.

[Clonedzero]

Timon44 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Miranda's face in ME2 doesn't look very good? And I don't mean that the graphics of the game aren't good enough, but that she doesn't look very healthy (which makes no sense whatsoever with her genes).


In the trailer she looks very good:
http://fc02.devianta..._by_Bebbe88.jpg

But in the game her face just looks...weird:
http://4.bp.blogspot...iranda-01-p.jpg

there are certain angles that all characters look kinda weird at, same goes for lighting, sometimes characters can look really bad in some lighting, or really good.

it just happens to be more noticable on miranda because she's pale and human. you'll notice the differences faster than any other character. but i assure you, its just the angle and lighting, the character model itself is really good looking.

i also notice this issue ALOT with my custom shepards, always looking really freaking in some scenes because of the angle and lighting but looking great in others.

[Ieldra]

Ah, the old debate about Miranda's appearance again.

ClonedZero is right, we notice small differences more than with the others because she's pale and human. The lighting makes a lot of difference. And, as opposed to Jack, she has a hint of dimples and slightly elevated cheekbones, so that the sharp light we have in many places casts dark shadows in her face which make her look weird from certain angles. I blame the shadow system. Shadows shouldn't be black.

Also, from TV shows and the like, we're all used that characters look their best all the time, because they only use good camera angles and scene-specific lighting. You can't have that in a game outside of dialogue scenes. When Miranda looks her best, she's really beautiful, but since we can't control all the angles, she doesn't always look her best.

Having said that, they seem to have made a mistake when scanning her face. Her jawline is noticeably different from Yvonne Strahovski's when you look at it from the front.

BTW, great picture, MisterJB.

[Timon44]

Sorry I didn't mean to offend anyone
I wasn't saying that Miranda looks bad in certain situations (bad lightning etc.) but that her face looks worse than any other squadmate face in ME2... At least to me.
Yvonne Strahovski is beautiful, Miranda in the render trailer is beautiful, Miranda ingame is not beautiful (at least not her face).
She looks pretty good on the picture that MisterJB posted, but 1) it's tough to find an angle from where she looks this good and 2) she still doesn't look anything like "genetically superiour" to me.

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Miranda. But when I see how her face looks in game it just feels like Bioware missed a great opportunity...

Modifié par Timon44, 02 avril 2011 - 01:51 .

[Ieldra]

You don't offend by having a different opinion, Timon. I think that Miranda is beautiful, but - indeed - not so extraordinary that it looks like something that needs genetic engineering to account for it. And I do think they made mistakes when scanning Yvonne Strahovski's face.

As for the supposedly rare scenes where Miranda looks good.... they're not so rare, really:

[jtav]

Assuming Arrival was completed post-SM, how do you think a romanced Miranda and Shepard will spend the time remaining to them?

[Prudii Aden]

Going on a proper date? Perhaps just spending time together, getting to know eachother without the overwhelming pressure of a suicide mission hanging over them?
Winding eachother up over their film/music/book choice?

[jtav]

I'd think there would be considerable pressure hanging over them this time too. His time is running out. I have a feeling his guilt has already been decided, the better to pacify the batarians. At least she of all people should understand why he behaved as he did. I don't foresee any anger in ME3 unless we're working with her father. And I doubt that.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Assuming Arrival was completed post-SM, how do you think a romanced Miranda and Shepard will spend the time remaining to them?

Regardless of romance, I think Shepard will spend the time travelling around and convincing people of the Reaper threat. But if Shepard and Miranda are together, they might want to spend some time together without the pressure of a mission looming over them, maybe visiting places from each others' past together, retreating to a remote but beautiful planet for a week or so, doing normal things. Just to see if their relationship works out when things are comparably normal. Not that times are likely to be normal around those two, LOL.

Apart from that, it also depends on what happened at the CB. If they are still nominally with Cerberus, TIM might have a few missions for them. Or for Miranda. I can't imagine he would let an investment like the SR2 sit around mostly idle, or leave his most capable operative to do nothing for an extended period of time. 

[GuitarShredUK]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Miranda's face in ME2 doesn't look very good? And I don't mean that the graphics of the game aren't good enough, but that she doesn't look very healthy (which makes no sense whatsoever with her genes).


In the trailer she looks very good:
http://fc02.devianta..._by_Bebbe88.jpg

But in the game her face just looks...weird:
http://4.bp.blogspot...iranda-01-p.jpg

tbh. i agree. I never understood why people thought she was so hot. The actress who plays her is very beautiful but miranda in cgi form is kinda weird..even in other images of her shes just not...

@Timon44: comparing a screen from the CGI live action trailer and in-game footage is a tad biased to your argument of your opinion that Miranda doesn't look very good - CGI images would by right look amazing as opposed to in-game footage as there are no limits being brought on by the game engine, local hardware i.e. consoles. 

As for my personal opinion, I love Miranda because she has the depth of character to back up her looks, as opposed to being a piece of eye-candy which can be attributed to the length of this thread and the numerous interesting discussion topics. So, a few odd expressions and angles aside I think she looks great and is also a great character from a gameplay perspective as well both aesthetically and functionally - I'm a big fan of her armour set from AAP2.  

@jtav/Ieldra/others about Shepard/Miranda "down time": I would concur that they should strike a balance between really developing a relationship but also keeping an eye on the business side of things which I'm sure Miranda won't find too difficult. As for activities - maybe Shepard could dig out his collection of video or board games saved from his youth if he was Earth-born, serious parallels with Chuck/Sarah I know but kind of amusing 

[Prudii Aden]

@Guitar - my Spacer Shep is a closet sci-fi/Star Wars fan. He'd be taking the time to broaden her movie horizons. Something a little like this

[naledgeborn]

It might have been brought up already. I watched Blade Runner yesterday and it hit me. Deckard and Rachel is major inspiration for the Shepard and Lawson romance. I don't know if anyone's made the connection. I wonder if the writers did this on purpose. By the way does anyone know who wrote Miranda?

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
It might have been brought up already. I watched Blade Runner yesterday and it hit me. Deckard and Rachel is major inspiration for the Shepard and Lawson romance. I don't know if anyone's made the connection. I wonder if the writers did this on purpose. By the way does anyone know who wrote Miranda?

I didn't make the connection. There is no indication that Rachel has the same level of genetic improvements that Miranda has, and any comparison between Deckard to Shepard does not strike me as valid.

As far we know, Patrick Weekes wrote Miranda except on the "critical path", which likely means main plot missions or parts thereof.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I'd think there would be considerable pressure hanging over them this time too. His time is running out. I have a feeling his guilt has already been decided, the better to pacify the batarians. At least she of all people should understand why he behaved as he did. I don't foresee any anger in ME3 unless we're working with her father. And I doubt that.

politically perhaps if someone (cerberus?) is looking to score some points, however: shep has 2 of the top admirals of the alliance on his side, there can be no hard eveidence of shepard's involvement anyway: no-one knew he was even there, and no-one else survived in-system, only one other person is alive that knows anything about it, and it's not like he's going to give shepard up. plus shepard's still not part of the alliance anyway, i really hope they don't do another "trial" in me3, especially one with such a flimsy basis for...

as for shepard and miranda, i would think they'd be spending any downtime with each other just together - it wouldn't matter where or what.

[MisterJB]

Jebel Krong wrote...
 there can be no hard eveidence of shepard's involvement anyway: no-one knew he was even there, and no-one else survived in-system, only one other person is alive that knows anything about it, and it's not like he's going to give shepard up.

Remember when you are figthing your way to the Comm Relay and someone leaves on the last shuttle? Yeah, eye witness, rigth there.

[danteliveson]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Timon44 wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that Miranda's face in ME2 doesn't look very good? And I don't mean that the graphics of the game aren't good enough, but that she doesn't look very healthy (which makes no sense whatsoever with her genes).


In the trailer she looks very good:
http://fc02.devianta..._by_Bebbe88.jpg

But in the game her face just looks...weird:
http://4.bp.blogspot...iranda-01-p.jpg

tbh. i agree. I never understood why people thought she was so hot. The actress who plays her is very beautiful but miranda in cgi form is kinda weird..even in other images of her shes just not...

I agree 100%.

[Jebel Krong]

MisterJB wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
 there can be no hard eveidence of shepard's involvement anyway: no-one knew he was even there, and no-one else survived in-system, only one other person is alive that knows anything about it, and it's not like he's going to give shepard up.

Remember when you are figthing your way to the Comm Relay and someone leaves on the last shuttle? Yeah, eye witness, rigth there.

they left on a shuttle with no evidence of being able to go FTL and you blew up the entire system a few minutes later. did you see those people? why would they be given any credence when there is no official record of you being there, given any missions there (let alone the fact you can't be 'assigned' missions by the alliance, because you're not in the alliance) etc.

[MisterJB]

Jebel Krong wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
 there can be no hard eveidence of shepard's involvement anyway: no-one knew he was even there, and no-one else survived in-system, only one other person is alive that knows anything about it, and it's not like he's going to give shepard up.

Remember when you are figthing your way to the Comm Relay and someone leaves on the last shuttle? Yeah, eye witness, rigth there.

they left on a shuttle with no evidence of being able to go FTL and you blew up the entire system a few minutes later. did you see those people? why would they be given any credence when there is no official record of you being there, given any missions there (let alone the fact you can't be 'assigned' missions by the alliance, because you're not in the alliance) etc.

If I'm not mistaken, those shuttles where the only means of evacuation on that asteroid. So, it's logical that they would reach FTL speed or that there would be some ship waiting to pick them up.
Besides, it seemed to me that everyone on that asteroid was indocrinated, especially because even after Kenson's death, the guards are still trying to stop Shepard instead of running for their lives. So, if whoever was on that shuttle escaped, it was because the Reapers wanted him/her/them to survive. And why would the Reapers care about some human? Because they migth have escaped with evidence that incriminates Shepard.
If there is even the sligthest evidence that this was caused by humans, it won't matter if Shepard can't be given missions by the Alliance anymore. The Batarians will just claim that he was working secretly with the Admirals. They are not interested in having a fair trial, they are interested in starting a war.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 avril 2011 - 11:40 .

[jtav]

Short excerpt:

Miranda sat at her desk, leaning forward slightly and with her hands clasped together. Her gaze was cold and professional, as if she were sizing him up and searching for weaknesses she could exploit. She probably was. "We've received a report that one of our operatives has been captured by Eclipse mercenaries. The Illusive Man wants us to investigate and free him if possible."

Nick folded his arms and raised a skeptical eyebrow. "Aren't you the one who always says that nothing can sidetrack us from the mission?"

Her eyes seemed to harden the smallest fraction. "Whether you like it or not, Cerberus is funding your mission. That means assisting us in closing any possible security leaks is in your best interest."

"No. I already have enough trouble without saving Cerberus from its own mistakes."

Understanding seemed to dawn in her eyes. "Is this about certain members of the Alliance wanting to bring you in for treason?"

Nick fought the urge to gape at her. "You re reading my mail?" He shook his head. "Of course you are."

She arched a single eyebrow. "I usually skip the many, many messages from people thanking you for everything that you've done for them." Something that might've been bitterness crept into her voice. "The Alliance is full of idiots. They hate you for working with us when we're the only people who are willing to do the job they should be doing and protecting humanity. Like you think would have happened had you survived the destruction of the first Normandy? They would have patted you on the head and given you your medals and sent you very far away from anything with even a whiff of Reapers. You may not trust me or Cerberus yet, but what makes you think you can trust the Alliance?"

A small, rational voice conceded that she was probably right. Nick remembered how furious he and Joker had both been that they were assigned to track down the remnants of the geth. It was like going after the driver of the get away car instead of the man who had actually robbed the bank. The rest of him was too angry to care. "It beats wondering when you're going to shoot me in the back. We both know you're here to stop me if I do something your boss doesn't like. I guess not having the control chip makes things harder for you."

Color appeared on her cheeks. Her eyes darkened. A muscle worked in her jaw. When she spoke her voice was as cold and sharp as an ice pick. "I have no intention of harming you, Shepard. I put two years of my life into bringing you back to life. Everyone on this project sacrificed a lot for you. I intend to make sure that those sacrifices were not in vain." She took a deep breath. "I'm the best friend you have right now. I gave up far too much to discard you. So as long as you don't do anything stupid, you'll be fine."

Bitter about spending two years on that station, are we?

Modifié par jtav, 04 avril 2011 - 12:50 .

[Jebel Krong]

^ very nice excerpt. ^

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Does anyone think that Miranda will be into romantic music like Westlife and such? Or maybe some soundtrack music like the Black Hawk Down soundtrack, which my brother just DL-d and now I'm totally hooked on it. I mean, she's gotta have more preferences than just Nielsen right?

[MisterJB]

I think not. She's probrably more into the classical masters say, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, etc.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
I think not. She's probrably more into the classical masters say, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, etc.

That's what I think as well.

jtav wrote...
"I'm the best friend you have right now. I gave up far too much to
discard you. So as long as you don't do anything stupid, you'll be fine."

Nice excerpt, except I don't find this sentiment quite believable. What exactly did she give up? Two years is a not a particularly long time for someone like her, especially if she's also learned a lot in that time. Also after what he said, I don't think she could bring herself to say she's his best friend right now, even it is true in some convoluted way."