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[Denize]

Jarret Lee wrote: "I can tell you guys that we're pretty aware of Tali's popularity...we pay more attention than you think ". I hope they are aware of Miranda's popularity too and we will see some information about Miri soon.

Consider, that Miranda is LI/one of main characters in ME2/Cerberus agent, I think we will definitely see her in ME3. I hope she and Jacob (if alive) will be permanent squad mate, after we take Cerberus down.

[Revan654]

Fix1o0 wrote...

I'm pretty confident she will be back in ME3. She's played quite a large role in ME2 for her to not return.

Only concern for me is Bioware really ****ing it up and pull a similarity to Ash in ME2 with a picture, perhaps a little cameo and a stupid email.

It's almost a Sure bet she will be returning as a Squad Member.

Mass Effect 3 isn't about recruiting new Squad members, it's about fighting the reapers and uniting the races to do that.

Their were still some Story threads left unanswered with Miranda in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Revan654, 09 avril 2011 - 07:09 .

[Throw_this_away]

I have the feeling that characters like Miranda and Tali will be back, but Bioware is keeping it secret.

I suspect Miranda to be a mid/late game returnee. Miranda will be part of the storyline where Shep needs to get Cerberus tech/forces on his/her side to help fight the reapers (where Shep will also need to kill the Illusive Man). Miranda will not be part of the early game because she will be pulled away due to TIM kidnapping her sister.   TIM will tip off her father and use Miranda's captured sister as a way to force Miranda to betray Shep and work for TIM. Only by saving Miranda's sister and defeating TIM/Miranda's father will you get Miranda back in your squad.

The final battle on TIM's "office with a planet view" should be epic.  

Modifié par Throw_this_away, 09 avril 2011 - 07:42 .

[jtav]

Because I'm sadistic:

If it turns out that Miranda speaking to Oriana led to Oriana being killed in ME3, would you still have her do it?

[Rykoth]

Changing it because of that is technically metagaming Shepard doesn't know, but you do.

[aeetos21]

My current theory on love and its role in the ME franchise, bear with.

Liara, I like her but was never a huge fan but right now it seems we can deduce a lot about her role throughout the series as well as the role of all of the LI's. Keeping it simple she was a squadmate and LI in ME1, same as Kaidan and Ash. Unlike those two though she survived no matter what. Before ME2 came out everyone was speculating who of the original Normandy would be making a return and how would BW figure out how to incorporate Ash and Kaidain's story throughout the rest of the trilogy. It was easy, cut them out of ME2 and have them rejoin Shepard for the finale in ME3. Liara meanwhile was less certain. At the time I thought they had cut her out simply because they didn't want to be seen catering to the Liara fans.

Angry ME Fan: "You mean to tell my Shepard has to wait until ME3 to continue my romance with Kaidan while those other guys get to poke that blue space bimbo in ALL 3 GAMES!?!?"

Now I'm less certain of that reason, while I am sure that that reason played a part in it I don't think it was the main driving force. The BW writing teams are great storytellers, they really are the driving force behind what makes BW the greatest game developers out there right now. Still there storytelling formula is pretty linear and doesn't often leave a lot of room for "two steps forward and one step back" so to speak. Feel free to disagree with me on this, or any of the points I'm making, but this is why in my opinion BW's storytelling when it comes to LI's is very linear.

ME1, first part of the game: meet the potential LI's, establish a rapport, flirt a little, etc...
ME1, second part of the game: talk more, share secrets, and realize that there are feelings for each other - player decides whether or not to follow through on that
ME1, third part - near the finale: the sky is falling, all hell is breaking loose, and Shepard and their LI find comfort with each other in the chaos

That was the forumla for all of ME1's LIs. I would type out ME2's romance formula but really, what would be the point?

Well the point would be that the storytellers, had Liara been a main squadmate in ME2 they would have to figure out someway to play down her romance in such a way with Shepard in ME2 in order to save up for whatever they have planned for all of the LI's in the grande finale ie. ME3 (Like Kaidan and Ash they needed her on the backburner so that now every past ME LI is roughly at the same stage in their storytelling formula at the start of ME3).

Plus it also made "cheating" on Liara almost as easy as it was to cheat on Kaidan and Ash, meaning that that LI confrontation/cat fight BW keeps hinting at will effect a bigger crowd of ME players. Anyway if we run with these mindless speculations of mine we can begin to deduce how BW will deal with the ME2 LI's.

Like a lot of the fans I'm thinking that in ME3 the people who will be with you at the start of the game will be Kaidan/Ash, Liara, Sanders(?), and maybe a few people from the ME2 crowd (maybe Mordin? be great to have access to the Normandy upgrade system right at the start). After you escape and the first part of the game really begins there will be a brief window of time when Shepard could reignite with his/her ME1 LI before the ME2 crew starts turning up. The reason why this would be beneficial to BW is that it could treat every returning ME2 squadmate as a new one with their own recruitment/story instead of ALL of them being right there at the start leaving the writers and the player in a "WTF do I do?" sort of state.

That last part seems especially likely since neither in ME1 or in ME2 or in any BW game really has the player ever started out with a full party.

From there I think whoever joins/rejoins will depend largely on what shape the player/BW wants ME3 to head in. If you're on a timer then maybe Shepard won't be able to recruit every single teammate available. Or if you want Miranda on the team, whose story right now is looking more and more likely that she'll be playing some sort of role in the destruction of Cerberus, that turns out to be a bit like Virmire. You have her and some other squadmate (Jacob?) on separate tasks and both are in danger and you only have time to save one of them before the station explodes. Afterwards the survivor comes on board as a full squadmate with their own mission. If we continue down this route Jacob and Miranda were gathering intel on TIM's main base of operations (or something) and they end up with a followup mission to take it down and that would be ME3's version of their "loyalty" mission but only with different characters - just how BW handled Kaidan and Ashley.

If they keep using this formula for all the characters then the differing outcomes for ME3 would be crazy. It'd also prevent a squad "overload" that many people keep going on about. I'm sure there are many plot holes in my current theory but from what we know right now I think it's plausible.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Because I'm sadistic:

If it turns out that Miranda speaking to Oriana led to Oriana being killed in ME3, would you still have her do it?

yes. because it was the right thing to do at the time. looking back on past events looking for reasons to change present events - or possible future ones - is pointless.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Because I'm sadistic:

If it turns out that Miranda speaking to Oriana led to Oriana being killed in ME3, would you still have her do it?

As a rule, yes. With my "personal canon" Shepards anyway. I'd make more varied decisions with the others, just to see how things go, but in my personal canon universe Oriana would still be dead.

I do hope we won't get that. DA2 was hard enough with the family deaths. 

[Ieldra]

@aeetos:
Interesting hypothesis. Sounds quite plausible. It would cut down on the number of team members and give the players some choice about it. The only fact that goes against it is this: if they do that, there will be a lot of content in every playthrough the player does not get to see. While I would like that because it adds replay value, Bioware doesn't like it. By their stated intention, they always minimize the content not seen by everyone.

BTW....Liara the blue space bimbo, LOL. As much as I like her ME2 personality, she has that coming.

[space_cowboy]

As much as I love Miranda, I just can't realistically see her returning as a squad member in ME3. It would be awesome but, I'm doubtful. She'll probably play some sort of npc role, but squadmate? My gut feeling says no, but obviously it's hard to back this up with information about ME3 being practically non existent at this point.

[jtav]

Do you guys think Miranda has much experience with romantic rejection and heartbreak. I think it's clear she has strong feelings for Shepard in the romance, with Shepard being more ambiguous.So how would she handle a Shepard who left her to return to Ash/Liara?

[aeetos21]

@Cowboy
You bring up a valid point and one I'm sure a lot of us our feeling right now. But do you think your feeling might be because Miranda's role in ME2 was so central and domineering that you can't see her having a similar role in ME3 (or a role of lesser importance) and so BW would have a tougher time implementing her in it?

@Ieldra
Blue space bimbo, yea, figured you'd guys love that and turn my comment/essay into something a bit more fun. As for missed content? I think you might be right, While Jacob and Miranda worked out well I have a hard time imagining players going through a playthrough without both Tali and Garrus available or some other combination. Actually Garrus, if he survived, I imagine would still be with Shepard when the game starts out. I don't see him being anywhere else at least.

Anyway, I'll give it a shot at breaking it down - limit myself to ten squadmate places.

Taken:
1) Ash/Kaidan
2) Sanders
3) Liara

Leaves:
4) Grunt/New Krogan(?)
5) Tali (she's coming, it's like the law of gravity)
6) Garrus (I'm thinking he might just be there at the start)
7) Miranda/Jacob
((now its getting hard to decide!))
8) Jack/Grunt
((and these last two are pure guesses on my part))
9) Legion/Someone new
10) Kasumi/Zaeed/Someone new
then
11) DLC
12) DLC

*** I originally had it Wrex or Grunt but figuring out someone to else share Jack's "mission" or whatever you want to call it was too hard so I went with him. Plus The option of having TWO krogan squadmates? Couldn't pass that up.

**** Mordin, problem is he died in a LOT of ME2 playthroughs and wasn't one of the most popular combat squadmates. So maybe just as an NPC doctor on the ship? And if he died on your import than you get some new npc instead?

One thing is for certain, after writing it all out I have a new respect for what the DEVs are going through right now - or rather what they did go through since chances are that by now they have a pretty good idea of who's coming and who's going.

@jtav
Miranda turns cold and professional if you leave her for Jack - though I'm not too sure about her reaction if you leave her for Tali or Chambers. But that's of course before the launch of the suicide mission. After the night you two spend together in the engine room as well as the post-game cuddling where we get the impression that Shep and her did get close? It'd hurt her, especially if it was Ashley, but like Ashley she'd get the job done and just shelve her feelings for later.

Modifié par aeetos21, 10 avril 2011 - 12:29 .

[100k]

Caption, anyone?

Modifié par 100k, 10 avril 2011 - 05:55 .

[Ieldra]

Beautiful! Here are a few more of my old shots:




....and 7 months until ME3. It's killing me I swear! And let's hope that Miranda is spying for us within Cerberus and she'll help us thwarting TIM, after which we'll get her out of there and into our ME3 team.

[jtav]

That would be nice, Ieldra, and a good set up for the Illusive Woman scenario. I'm really excited. My #2 and #3 squaddies were confirmed right out of the gate. Now all I need is Miranda. But I'm already ready to give BW my money.

[Arijharn]

Maybe this is just me, but... I actually prefer the Illusive Man running Cerberus over Miranda, if only because I like his ambiguity, whereas I don't think Miranda is very ambiguous to begin with. It's for that reason I hope we don't 'dismantle' Cerberus in 3, because I think Cerberus is as much a philosophy as it is an organisation (meaning, there will always be people who want to strengthen their own species, which means at least partial reduction of other species, if only because every one's power only exists as relative to others).

I like Miranda (d'uh), but I don't think she is command material of the same sort of 'caliber' in all honesty.

TIM and Cerberus fighting Shephard in 3 doesn't really make sense at all imo, either because the Reapers are around or because Shephard (for better or worse as far as TIM see's it) is going to be the lynchpin against the Reaper threat, and this is true whether Shephard is a renegade or paragon. To flow into this; it doesn't seem 'correct' that TIM would use Miranda's sister against her if in fact, the Collector Base was saved, because Miranda is still within Cerberus' employ. I just hope they don't try and spin it as if TIM gets sort of Indoctrinated though; because that doesn't even make him sympathetic (which even Saren managed imo) and it quickly becomes plain cliched.

As too squaddies; funnily enough I'm not to fussed either way other than if they aren't squaddies, then they play a major role in some capacity, even if it could be a couple of missions where they are attached, sort of like how Liara is a compulsory choice when you're trailing Tela. I know Miranda will return in some capacity because she's a LI (and I believe that BioWare just deciding to remove her to be plain idiotic, and I still prefer to believe that they aren't completely insane), what I actually hope/worry for is that Yvonne Strahovski continues to voice her is all.

[aeetos21]

Yvonne has been doing a lot of VA work lately, Lego Clutch and then that one other game (I can't remember its name right now). She said she enjoyed the work on ME2 and Chuck even did a little shoutout to her character on their show when they had her come out with died black hair, a black catsuit, and said: "Sounds like a suicide mission." And I don't know if this matters too much but she did get a nomination for best Voice Actress along with Jennifer Hale at the VGA. Ironically they both lost to Tricia Heffron though not for her work as EDI but for he acting in another game.

Anyway, I'm used to worry she'd come back but not anymore especially since Mass Effect 2 was such a huge success and ME3 is looking to be just as if not more.

[Ieldra]

aeetos21 wrote...
Anyway, I'm used to worry she'd come back but not anymore especially since Mass Effect 2 was such a huge success and ME3 is looking to be just as if not more.

Yes, I think she'll be back. The question remains "how much will she be back?" The chances of her being a (semi-permanent) team member went up significantly after the GI information, but it's still possible we'll get not more than one scene with her.

I wonder if I should dare hope for the best....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 avril 2011 - 02:16 .

[wright1978]

Really hope Miranda does come back. It doesn't make much sense if she doesnt as there's the whole Cerberus fight going to be going on. Just like i assume Tali will be back as she will be crucial to the whole geth/Legion geth/Quarian thing that's likely to be a sub plot.

[jtav]

Ieldra, here's my attitude. I was wrong when I when I was pessimistic and said no one would come back. So I'm trying optimism and imagining Kaidan, Liara, and Miranda on the same squad.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, here's my attitude. I was wrong when I when I was pessimistic and said no one would come back. So I'm trying optimism and imagining Kaidan, Liara, and Miranda on the same squad.

Now that we know that certain characters are coming back, the stakes are higher. Now it would be far more disappointing if Miranda just got a cameo than before. So my hopes have grown, but so has my fear. It's tearing me apart. I want to know, damn it!

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Ieldra, here's my attitude. I was wrong when I when I was pessimistic and said no one would come back. So I'm trying optimism and imagining Kaidan, Liara, and Miranda on the same squad.

Now that we know that certain characters are coming back, the stakes are higher. Now it would be far more disappointing if Miranda just got a cameo than before. So my hopes have grown, but so has my fear. It's tearing me apart. I want to know, damn it!

Now that its been confirmed you could have squadmates from ME2 (which could have been killed off) the notion that
they couldn't bring back ME2 squadmates due to 'Variables' has gone out the window( see the sig ).  Lots of folks are waiting with baited breath...at least E3 will be in less than two months plus PSM will have their ME3 magazine by the end of the month...maybe we will find out more then?


New scans have been posted and most show heavily armored Cerberus units attacking Shepard.
Just Google:
"mass effect 3 gaming everything" and click the 3rd link.
Only reinforces the idea that she will play some part in this.

[Loup Blanc]

Miranda will be back as a cameo. I just feel it in my guts. If I'm right, then I will be very disappointed. I will be even more disappointed if it so occurs that the ME2 love interest was actually a plot device, a simple tool to spice things up with the ME1 love interest. Remember, in ME2, the love scenes never really felt like long-lasting relationships. It was more in the vein of ''Let's blow off some steam and have fun before the suicide mission... we may not come back''. I'm just getting this vibe that the whole ME2 one-night stand thing will only be used as a tool to mess things up with the ME1 LI and that's it. That will make me really angry if that's the case. I really don't give a **** for the whole temptation island debriefing syndrome.

I hope the continuation of the romance in ME3 is not just about seeing the consequences on your first love affair in ME1, but also the possibility to continue the one started in ME2. Sorry, Bioware, my maleshep is really into Miranda. He has no interest in getting back to Ashley.

Modifié par JL81, 10 avril 2011 - 06:27 .

[Ieldra]

JL81 wrote...
I hope the continuation of the romance in ME3 is not just about seeing the consequences on your first love affair in ME1, but also the possibility to continue the one started in ME2. Sorry, Bioware, my maleshep is really into Miranda. He has no interest in getting back to Ashley.

Exactly. I like Ashley, but as an LI and companion for someone like Shepard Miranda is just....perfect. If he doesn't get Miranda Cyrus Shepard will stay single and bemoan the vagaries of fate that separated him from her. But I, as the player, will be very angry.

As for gut feelings, I have the feeling that we'll get at least one mission with her. Both Miranda and Tali are very popular, LIs *and* have great story potential - Miranda with Cerberus, Tali with the Migrant fleet.