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[aeetos21]

I have to say this, I really really do. It's okay for other threads to be sprouting hystericalness but not the Miranda thread.

The feared/dreaded/hated/panic-causing cameos in ME2 were there for teammates who BW knew they wanted to have come back in ME3 but couldn't risk them getting killed during ME2, the story would be impossible for them to tell so they got relegated back to NPC status.

This is confirmed now that we have proof that Kaidan/Ash and Liara will all be returning as permanent squadmates. That was the only reason for the cameos in ME2. Since there will be no sequel to ME3 that reason is void. Which leaves whether or not if BW will somehow figure out a way to fit Miranda and the other way ME2 LI's into the game.

So the reason for cameos in ME3 then becomes about story, space, and popularity. Miranda checks out enough for the first and last of those which leaves space.

Will ME3 have enough space for her to be in it? That's what it will come down to and if it doesn't have space for her then chances are other characters of lesser popularity and less storyline significance than her will also be cut. Well, that's my thought process at least.

[Vertigo_1]

Throwing new info out there for you to ponder:

14. There will be balance with the squadmates (I.e., if Garrus died, then the game won't cheat you of a character)

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/7021128/2#7021437

EDIT: Why is this thread 4 stars?!

Modifié par g54, 10 avril 2011 - 07:05 .

[Rykoth]

I honestly have a theory. Your LI as of ME2 will determine who you get as a squaddie.

Example:
Everyone survived (in this instance) the Suicide Mission
I romance Miranda in ME2. Tali is now an NPC rather then a squaddie. Or if someone romances Tali, Miranda might be in ME3, in an important role but slightly different - she'll still have an important story, but as an NPC.

So we know Garrus is in.

Which leaves me to theorize.
Miranda | Jack | Tali | Jacob | Thane | Garrus

Miranda | Jacob | Garrus
So if I romance Miranda as a male shepard, Jacob returns.

Likewise, if I romance Jack, it might be Thane that returns as a squaddie, and if I romance Tali, it might be a random variable.

That's my theory anyway

[Ieldra]

Interesting info, g54. It appears as if our team might be a lot more variable than expected. Which also gives plausibility to Rykoth's hypothesis.

As for 4 stars, that's for everyone here to change! I usually don't bother because others do it, but this time...er...."This is an outrage!"

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 avril 2011 - 07:30 .

[ReluctantMind]

Hi Miranda fans. I am stopping by as I have not previously been a big fan of Miranda, but finally noticed something on my umpteenth playthrough that significantly boosted my respect for her. I always liked her loyalty mission and thought she was a decent character, but was tripped up by what I considered an insane romance scene in engineering. I could not see that without a major WTF reaction. While this has probably been recognized on this forum already, the other day I realized that Miranda in all likelihood chose engineering because it was that one place on the ship she was sure the many monitoring devices would not record her liaison with Sheperd. Between interference from the mass effect core and the Tali's hatred of Cerberus likely leading her to deactivate/destroy the various bugs, Miranda would know that was the only place she could really be with Sheperd privately. Whether you like her later resignation from Cerberus or not, she was still Cerberus at that point and likely felt she could not simply deactivate the devices present in her quarters, especially after the off-screen dressing down she got from TIM after Jacob's loyalty mission. This desire for true privacy suggested to me that her feelings for Sheperd are genuine and she wanted/needed that privacy to work them through given her previous "ice queen" status.
I can't honestly say she is my favorite LI or character in general, but I respect her now in a way I didn't before and felt I should fess up to that to the people who saw her value soonest. I would also say I support her return for ME3 in a way I probably didn't before this realization. Good luck to all of us on the return and importance of our favored characters.

[Ieldra]

Thanks, ReluctantMind.

Yes, the scene in the engine room bothers many of Miranda's fans, and also, your reason for her selecting that place has been suggested by others. Ah...isn't it too bad that everything about Miranda has been debated so thoroughly that there aren't even any new arguments?

But I disagree that this is the thing that finally cements that her feelings for Shepard are genuine. Between her behaviour in and after her loyalty mission and especially in the "(no) promise" scene it's always been very clear to me. On the other hand, I have always imagined Miranda to be good enough at acting that she could've faked it if she wanted... It all depends very much on interpretation.

[Rykoth]

Also, didn't the VO for Miranda do a tweet about VOing for ME3, or was that Tricia Helfer/EDI?

[ReluctantMind]

I agree about the genuineness of her feelings. I did not mean to imply that her desire for privacy was where her feelings were cemented, but rather that it was further proof of that genuineness. I imagine different people will interpret different phases of her interactions in different ways(naturally).

[MACharlie1]

Rykoth wrote...

Also, didn't the VO for Miranda do a tweet about VOing for ME3, or was that Tricia Helfer/EDI?

Both - Yvonne was asked about ME3 and said she couldn't comment. Tricia Helfer did tweet that she was doing her recordings for ME3. 

[aeetos21]

Tricia was confirmed to return as EDI and I don't think Yvonne would be so careless as to tweet her role in ME3 without the nod from BW first.

That's what most of us Miranda fans have come to think of about that engine room scene, RM, but as Ieldra pointed out what really sealed the deal was the "(no) promise" scene. It really helps drive home the point of just how much more of a personal story ME2 is. In ME1 I don't think Shepard or any of the LI's really gave any thought at all about being able to both survive and accomplish their mission - at least not until the very end. There's a scene where Garrus and Shepard talk about how what they did in ME1 differed from what they were doing in ME2 and Garrus's main point was that the SR2 crew really is on their own in this.

If I were to make an analogy... my romance with Ashley in ME1 was like being stuck in the middle of the ocean with her and the rest of the crew on this tiny lifeboat. In ME2 my romance with Miranda was like being trapped with her in a box at the bottom of the ocean that was slowly leaking seawater. Add to that Miranda's much more vulnerable than Ash when it comes to matters of the heart and her willingness to still risk everything despite the odds... That ass is attractive but there's just so much more to her character.

Edit: Looking back at that analogy it makes me wonder what BW has in store for ME3 in terms of gravity for the romance arcs.

Modifié par aeetos21, 10 avril 2011 - 08:11 .

[Vertigo_1]

HQ scans of the GameInformer article on ME3 are on LiveJournal!
http://www.livejournal.com/
Search for Mass Effect 3
Should be the second Link

Modifié par g54, 10 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[jtav]

After reading the article, I'm inclined to believe Miranda will have a LOTSB style role. Not bad at all. I feel like I should surrender my Miranda fan card because I am super-hyped. We're going to the salarian homeworld!

[Vertigo_1]

I noticed that female with the sword in one page and thought: Wouldn't it be nice if that was Miranda?

[aeetos21]

jtav wrote...

After reading the article, I'm inclined to believe Miranda will have a LOTSB style role. Not bad at all. I feel like I should surrender my Miranda fan card because I am super-hyped. We're going to the salarian homeworld!

I'm still holding out for a recruitable squadmate role for her. The bit mentioned earlier about balancing out the characters that could have died in previous games is still something to give credence to - that and other quotes I've heard from DEVs ever since ME2's release. I haven't read the article and I'm not planning to, I really don't want to be as spoiled for ME3 as I was for ME2. For that reason I've banned myself from the general discussion threads lol.

Anyway, the moment we get a confirmation on Miranda's role I'll go to a complete blackout but until then - fingers crossed.

[Revan654]

Rykoth wrote...

Also, didn't the VO for Miranda do a tweet about VOing for ME3, or was that Tricia Helfer/EDI?

Yvonne basiclly said she isn't allowed to talk about it yet.

Tricia & Seth Green both confirmed their was doing VO for ME 3.

[Rykoth]

I can imagine Miranda being consider pivotal - she's the reason Shepard lives

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...

Anyway, the moment we get a confirmation on Miranda's role I'll go to a complete blackout but until then - fingers crossed.

This is what I am hoping to do...but usually my willpower isn't strong for AAA games like this 

[Loup Blanc]

g54 wrote...

HQ scans of the GameInformer article on ME3 are on LiveJournal!
http://www.livejournal.com/
Search for Mass Effect 3
Should be the second Link

Thanks. Just read the article. Holy **** does it sound EPIC. And it's also quite reassuring. The devs are obviously aware of the relationships we'Ve built with the characters and have the intent to satisfy us, rather than kick us in the nuts (the Gaider syndrome). At the very least I expect a Miri mission where she would be temp teammate. At best, because she was a LI, she will be one of those optional permanent teammembers. Either way, it's all good. But it has to acknowledge the romance and allow us to continue it.

Modifié par JL81, 11 avril 2011 - 01:36 .

[aeetos21]

Just commented on the Miranda being a villain in ME3 thread. I'm actually starting to be angry with myself. After three years on these forums you'd think I'd be at the point where I could say: "Nothing surprises me anymore." Still people keep managing to do it though.

[jtav]

Miranda as villain> I'd actually love that?

[aeetos21]

It wouldn't make sense, at all. It'd be a retcon whose only purpose would be to serve Miranda haters while alienating a large portion of ME players.

Edit: Either TIM is indoctrinated or he's making a power play, which is what I thought the whole keeping the Base for Cerberus was really about. Miranda though isn't on a power trip because a) She's been on the receiving end of it thanks to her father and was traumatized by it, It wouldn't be beneficial to earth - at all - especially since its being harvested by the Reapers while all of this is going on, c) If she really wanted power she wouldn't be kicking around with Cerberus as Shepard pointed out in ME2: "With your intelligence you could've gotten any job you wanted, why choose this?"

Neither her ending things with Cerberus in ME2 would've altered her personality since it came at the expense of seeing firsthand what the Reapers were capable of. Finally if she was on a power trip she would've done everything possible to help TIM stop Shepard from destroying the Base.

Would it be fun to have her as a villain? Yes, definitely, but as Ieldra pointed out when we were discussing how it'd be interesting to have certain squadmates be availble for LI's for both male Shep and female Shep you would need to start the character out that way and lead into it. Miranda's personality is lore, to write her out of character would be a retcon and go against everything BW stands for.

And I still can't believe I'm having this discussion.

Modifié par aeetos21, 11 avril 2011 - 02:03 .

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...
Either TIM is indoctrinated or he's making a power play...

I wouldn't be suprised if we get some sort of clue as to why TIM wants Shepard dead in the last comic of Evolution.
Otherwise from what was said in the GI Article we won't know until we play ME3.

[aeetos21]

The only other reason TIM would want to take Shepard out is if it became obvious that Shepard wasn't interested in putting humanity out on top and also was getting in the way of Cerberus putting humanity on top. But since ME players are split on that outcome and the whole point of the ME trilogy is for you to not only to defeat the Reapers but also influence humanity's role in the galaxy? Why would TIM want to take out a Shepard who is clearly out to put humanity on top?

I have got to stop deducing, this is exactly how I figured out half on ME2's plot before the game even came close to launch.

[Arijharn]

Someone actually made a somewhat plausible response as to why TIM might put out a hit on Shephard and it's kinda binary (and thus; simplistically awesome)
a) If you destroyed the Reaper base - TIM decides he can't trust you to make the 'correct' decisions, so he probably views that it might be advantageous to place someone more... malleable or even someone he views as competent to have the main position. Remember, this is TIM we're talking about, so his idea's of competence may completely contrast with yours.
His implants, given to him by the 'huskification ray' may usually be dormant, but may be 'flaring' up due to the proximity of the Reapers and if we're lucky TIM may prove somewhat resistant to it's pull, but no man is an island so to speak, and perhaps TIM is suffering a form of effect like what Benezia did (I.e., could only really go back to herself at certain times, otherwise she's as 'indoctrinated' as usual.)

While somewhat elegant, I think ( is rather tired as far as storyline's go. Indoctrination I think is just an easy cop out so hopefully there's far more to it, like maybe TIM after reviewing Shephard's after-action reports (courtesy of Miranda heh) realises there is a chance that Shephard may seek to reveal TIM and Cerberus to the galaxy, and takes steps to 'quietly' remove him beforehand.

As to Miranda and to her role (whatever it may be) in ME3, I think it's likely that Yvonne will reprise her role if for no other reason that they scanned her features for the game. It seems to me that it's very likely that she's contractually obliged to reappear.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Miranda as villain> I'd actually love that?

one of the best things about miranda is that she could make an awesome and formidable villain. far more subtle than mr-glowy-eyes, at any rate.

btw i'm loving the new iron-man look of cerberus commandos. anyone consider the possibility of shepard-clones?

oh and regarding squaddie status for miranda, in the interview section of the article with CH, he states that all the "important" people will be back, if TIM is (martin sheen) then you can bet Miranda will be, too. i think they'll have a plug-and-play mechanic depending on your choices/survivors/loyalties where sometimes some won't be recruitable if you already have someone similar (Or an LI), but in any absence or by preference you can get most, if not all.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 11 avril 2011 - 09:47 .