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[Prudii Aden]

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 22 juin 2010 - 10:38 .

[MatsudaTohu]

Habelo wrote...

You guys should srsly get some phycological help. Something is WAY wrong, reading this thread makes me ****ing afraid to go to bed at night.

Why? Cause you won't be getting Miranda tonight?

[jtav]

Every time I start to think I'm a Miranda-hater in denial, a real troll comes along and reminds me what the genuine article looks like.

[Pwnisher]

I think in ME3 Miranda needs to be able to wield more than just a pistol and SMG. I mean, for someone who is suppose to be TIM's favorite operative, she carries pretty light ordinance.

[Ieldra]

Pwnisher wrote...

I think in ME3 Miranda needs to be able to wield more than just a pistol and SMG. I mean, for someone who is suppose to be TIM's favorite operative, she carries pretty light ordinance.

Operative, yes. Not soldier. There you have your explanation. We've discussed this some time ago. Many think she should have a pistol and a sniper rifle, but not having and SMG would make her less effective in open combat. Assault rifles aren't her style IMO, though she does use one in some cutscenes IIRC. 

[TheSixthghoul]

Well,I'm back for the moment, with a new theory, that could be a potential Miranda plot. Now, what if Miranda was afraid of becoming her father? Consider this, from what we know of Miranda's father how different is she? It could explain some stuff like the collector base. Like what if, the reason Miranda gives, was her trying desperately to find find some reason not to keep the base. But, the best answer she could give is a throwaway answer. For, the sole reason of not being like her father. Like I said this just of theory.

[AndroLeonidas]

jtav wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

So, I leave you with a question, what is Miranda's attraction to Shepard and unlike with Jacob, does Shepard have a better chance of a successful relationship?

Assuming the opinion of someone who like Miranda/Jacob is valid...

The snarky part of me wants to say that MaleShep is basically Kirk and women seem to fall for him regardless of personality. More seriously, I think she finds competence hot, and Shepard is competemt beyond all reason. He's also decisive and forceful in a way Jacob isn't. She doesn't want to dominate or be dominated by her partner. I think what doomed Jacob is that he has no idea who he really is, or what he really wants. If he ever did, they might try again and be more successful.

As for a successful Miranda/Shepard relationship, it depends on the Shepard. He's such a blank slate and we're not given much to indicate how he'd function in a relationship. I'm almost certain the conclusion to her romance in game would be positive.

That said, my preference remains for her with Kaidan, Thane, or Liara. Which if the three is my favorite depends on my mood on any given day.

Miri is strong, confident (genetics), sometimes ruthless, incredibly efficent and impossibly smart. As tav wrote... I believe she considers Shepard an equal because he considers her an equal. After numerous playthroughs I have come to the conclusion that in the beginning Shep was nothing more than a project... as Lazuras Project progressed she realized just what type of person Shepard was. I am also of the mind that she became incredbily impressed by him when he woke up long before he was supposed to and tried to communicate. The look she gives him just before the picture fades is not a look of disinterested doctor or scientist, but the look of surprised and interested scientist and female.

As Tav said... Shepard is already one or two up on Jacob simply by what he has experienced. I don't use Jacob at all after escaping the station until his loyalty mission. I don't like the way he interacts with some of the crew and basically assumes the role that is officially Miri's. The game could have done without him completely as far as I am concerned.

I think Miri and Shepard are the perfect Ying and Yang to be honest. Two confident people very much in love with each other, but not overly possessive or needy in any way. Two consumate individuals who know what they want and how to get it. It just happens to be each other. lol!

[Nightwriter]

Well to answer that question I’d have to think about why Miranda and Jacob broke up in the first place.

I think it could be a lot of things:

1. Jacob could’ve wanted something from her she wasn’t willing to give. Maybe they had sex and then he wanted it to be more serious. She walked away.

2. As jtav said, maybe Jacob became uncertain of who he is and it put her off.

3. Jacob became her subordinate when he joined Cerberus and in so doing became a part of her professional world, and she is extremely strict about not mixing feelings with business. She cut him off.

4. She and Jacob spent a lot of time together during the mission in Galaxy but once it was over she became married to her job again. Jacob realized their time together before was really a bit of an anomaly.

5. They started to really disagree about Cerberus.

[kraidy1117]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well to answer that question I’d have to think about why Miranda and Jacob broke up in the first place.

I think it could be a lot of things:

1. Jacob could’ve wanted something from her she wasn’t willing to give. Maybe they had sex and then he wanted it to be more serious. She walked away.

2. As jtav said, maybe Jacob became uncertain of who he is and it put her off.

3. Jacob became her subordinate when he joined Cerberus and in so doing became a part of her professional world, and she is extremely strict about not mixing feelings with business. She cut him off.

4. She and Jacob spent a lot of time together during the mission in Galaxy but once it was over she became married to her job again. Jacob realized their time together before was really a bit of an anomaly.

5. They started to really disagree about Cerberus.

I coiuld see that beging the case.

[Nightwriter]

I tend more toward the belief it's a bit of all those things, really.

[kraidy1117]

Nightwriter wrote...

I tend more toward the belief it's a bit of all those things, really.

I still beleive it was Miri who broke it off and it's a very sore subject judging by how Jacob reacts if you ask about his past.

[Ieldra]

Updated the Miranda Lawson FAQ. Added the following question:

Is Miranda's father the Shadow Broker?
This is a popular theory, but it seems unlikely. There is no single piece of evidence for it. Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, it seems unlikely that this has changed just because he had a falling out with Cerberus over Miranda. The Shadow Broker, on the other side, tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the Collectors - why someone with a pro-human agenda would do this needs an explanation. The Shadow Broker also seems to be a long-standing institution (although there is no hard evidence for that), and it seems unlikely that a human assumes the position just 26 years after First Contact. So, while nothing outright contradicts it, the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person needs more additional explanations than the hypothesis that they aren't. Thus, in absence of additional evidence, the latter is to be preferred.

Any other facts that should be taken into account?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2010 - 07:03 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Updated the Miranda Lawson FAQ. Added the following question:

Is Miranda's father the Shadow Broker?
This is a popular theory, but it seems unlikely. There is no single piece of evidence for it. Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, it seems unlikely that this has changed just because he had a falling out with Cerberus over Miranda. The Shadow Broker, on the other side, tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the Collectors - why someone with a pro-human agenda would do this needs an explanation. The Shadow Broker also seems to be a long-standing institution (although there is no hard evidence for that), and it seems unlikely that a human assumes the position just 26 years after First Contact. So, while nothing outright contradicts it, the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person needs more additional explanations than the hypothesis that they aren't. Thus, in absence of additional evidence, the latter is to be preferred.

Any other facts that should be taken into account?

I would suggest the whole Miri and Jacob thing since this is one of the old debates that we have had in the past. It's up to you, I still think you should do the, is Miranda a virgin but it's up too you.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 23 juin 2010 - 07:10 .

[Ieldra]

To add to the question:



Why is the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person so popular? I have my own hypothesis about this, but before I present it, perhaps anyone else would like to comment...

[Ieldra]

@kraidy:
How would you phrase the question about Miranda and Jacob?

Regarding her virginity, that hasn't come up lately, and was only seriously considered by ToshiStation38. So far I don't count it as a "frequently asked question". Consider also the entry about her being "unapologetically sexual" in the "Why we like Miranda" section, and I think that answers itself.

BTW, my asking for additional facts referred to the Shadow Broker question....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2010 - 07:15 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@kraidy:
How would you phrase the question about Miranda and Jacob?

Regarding her virginity, that hasn't come up lately, and was only seriously considered by ToshiStation38. So far I don't count it as a "frequently asked question". Consider also the entry about her being "unapologetically sexual" in the "Why we like Miranda" section, and I think that answers itself.

BTW, my asking for additional facts referred to the Shadow Broker question....

I just have a hard time beleiving the SB is her father. Too many hints point that the SB was around for a long time, before humans ever came. In fact some popular theories for the SB are that it might be Liara's father or the last living Prothean. If the SB becomes the twilring mustache guy that TIM was in Ascension(thank you Walters for fixing him!) then I think alot of people would be disapointed and the SB being Miranda's father would feel cheap, tacked on and make the whole SB choice way to simple.

Also for Jacobs question, There is many questions that could be brought up. Who broke it off, what happen between them, what did Miranda see in Jacob ect. The whole Jacob and Miranda thing has soooo many questions it's hard to pick one, so I might get back to you if I figure out a good way to word the question.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 23 juin 2010 - 07:22 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

To add to the question:

Why is the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person so popular? I have my own hypothesis about this, but before I present it, perhaps anyone else would like to comment...

Sorry for the double post, but I think the reason why it's popular is because how miranda and the Mercs talk about him. He is a very wealthy buisness man, he is one of the most richess people in the Galaxy, he has ALOT of contacts, he is able to find people. That's my thought on it.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

To add to the question:

Why is the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person so popular? I have my own hypothesis about this, but before I present it, perhaps anyone else would like to comment...

The Shadow Broker is the biggest unknown we have right now. We like to connect two big mysteries together. We don't know who Miranda's father is, we don't know who the Shadow Broker is.

There are few other likely candidates in the game and we want to believe it's someone we already know.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 23 juin 2010 - 07:28 .

[Caihn]

Hi,

I was bored this morning so I made this, hope you'll like it.

Modifié par Yannkee, 23 juin 2010 - 08:01 .

[kraidy1117]

Yannkee wrote...

Hi,

I was bored this morning so I made this, hope you'll like it.

I like it

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
That he is. The problem is that both of those apply to Jacob as well, if I'm reading the summary of Galaxy correctly. So there has to be something else that attracts her, but, by Shep's very nature as a player character, what those qualities are is left vague. I'm starting to warm up to Shep a bit (sniping an entire room full of enemies by yourself will do that), but I still identify with her and not him. So my question os always more "Is he the best possible match for her?" not "Is she the best possible match for him?"

I find myself rather surprised to feel the same way. I like the romance from Shepard's point of view, but I often feel as if my Shepard has to work to be worthy of her - and that almost requires a certain way of dealing with people, the right mix of, you guessed it, direct action and showing empathy. If I play Shepard another way, I just "know" she wouldn't connect to him enough for a romance.

It's almost as if I'm playing two people at times.

tbh i don't know how jacob caught miranda's eye, other than convenience perhaps, but then i haven't played galaxy, but from the summary nothing really stands out, and in me2 he's not at all interesting, either.

as for shep, there's plenty there to catch miranda's eye - your background (whichever you have), combat record - as mentioned - and 1st human spectre status would all be qualities that would pique her interest anyway. RPing (i.e. morality) - is less important, after that, but of course you do have to do loyalty mission anyway.

[Ieldra]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

jtav wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

So, I leave you with a question, what is Miranda's attraction to Shepard and unlike with Jacob, does Shepard have a better chance of a successful relationship?

Assuming the opinion of someone who like Miranda/Jacob is valid...

The snarky part of me wants to say that MaleShep is basically Kirk and women seem to fall for him regardless of personality. More seriously, I think she finds competence hot, and Shepard is competemt beyond all reason. He's also decisive and forceful in a way Jacob isn't. She doesn't want to dominate or be dominated by her partner. I think what doomed Jacob is that he has no idea who he really is, or what he really wants. If he ever did, they might try again and be more successful.

As for a successful Miranda/Shepard relationship, it depends on the Shepard. He's such a blank slate and we're not given much to indicate how he'd function in a relationship. I'm almost certain the conclusion to her romance in game would be positive.

That said, my preference remains for her with Kaidan, Thane, or Liara. Which if the three is my favorite depends on my mood on any given day.

Miri is strong, confident (genetics), sometimes ruthless, incredibly efficent and impossibly smart. As tav wrote... I believe she considers Shepard an equal because he considers her an equal. After numerous playthroughs I have come to the conclusion that in the beginning Shep was nothing more than a project... as Lazuras Project progressed she realized just what type of person Shepard was. I am also of the mind that she became incredbily impressed by him when he woke up long before he was supposed to and tried to communicate. The look she gives him just before the picture fades is not a look of disinterested doctor or scientist, but the look of surprised and interested scientist and female.

As Tav said... Shepard is already one or two up on Jacob simply by what he has experienced. I don't use Jacob at all after escaping the station until his loyalty mission. I don't like the way he interacts with some of the crew and basically assumes the role that is officially Miri's. The game could have done without him completely as far as I am concerned.

I think Miri and Shepard are the perfect Ying and Yang to be honest. Two confident people very much in love with each other, but not overly possessive or needy in any way. Two consumate individuals who know what they want and how to get it. It just happens to be each other. lol!

This is just to acknowledge this interesting post. I don't have anything to add to it and agree with everything except that I don't dislike Jacob as much (at least if I'm not playing femShep). I like the expression that they're the perfect Yin and Yang (corrected the spelling in the quote).

@Yannkee:
As usual, a very nice picture. I like it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2010 - 09:03 .

[AndroLeonidas]

Jacob strikes me as the needy type. One night together and he will get all jealous and serious. I think Miri cares for him as a friend... but I don't ever see her having a relationship with him. Perhaps that is why he acts as he does in game when you question him.



Also... I think Shep's influence on Miri is very telling in many aspects. Why... if she had the information about Jacob's father... did she wait until after meeting shepard to release this info to Jacob. It's even more pronounced if you wait until jacob's loyalty mission is last and you are in a romance with Miranda. It only makes her softer and "human" side that much more glaring.

[Ieldra]

Updated the Miranda Lawson FAQ yet again. Added:

Is "Miranda Lawson" Miranda's real name?
Niket calls Miranda "Miri", so "Miranda" is almost certainly her real first name. As for her surname, the most plausible assumption is that "Lawson" is a cover name, since it would be stupid to use one's own real name when working for a secret organization and on the run from one's own very rich and well-connected father. However, Bioware could have used lore/gameplay segregation and given us Miranda's real name to avoid confusion should they decide to reveal more about her father in future.

The next update is already planned: "What did Miranda have with Jacob?". Not yet sure what to write, though...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2010 - 11:36 .

[Prudii Aden]

Just listening to some ZZ Top and I thought that this would suit Shepard and Miranda doing a roadtrip - although for the pair of them it wouldn't be Nationwide, it would definately be Galaxywide.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 23 juin 2010 - 11:51 .