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[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well to answer that question I’d have to think about why Miranda and Jacob broke up in the first place.

I think it could be a lot of things:

1. Jacob could’ve wanted something from her she wasn’t willing to give. Maybe they had sex and then he wanted it to be more serious. She walked away.

2. As jtav said, maybe Jacob became uncertain of who he is and it put her off.

3. Jacob became her subordinate when he joined Cerberus and in so doing became a part of her professional world, and she is extremely strict about not mixing feelings with business. She cut him off.

4. She and Jacob spent a lot of time together during the mission in Galaxy but once it was over she became married to her job again. Jacob realized their time together before was really a bit of an anomaly.

5. They started to really disagree about Cerberus.

I don't know the answer, but I know that if you're hit the renegade options with him, you can try to force Jacob to talk about it. Don't know if he reveals anything.

[Lord Zeuss]

Nightwriter wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

To add to the question:

Why is the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person so popular? I have my own hypothesis about this, but before I present it, perhaps anyone else would like to comment...

The Shadow Broker is the biggest unknown we have right now. We like to connect two big mysteries together. We don't know who Miranda's father is, we don't know who the Shadow Broker is.

There are few other likely candidates in the game and we want to believe it's someone we already know.

Thank you!

[Lord Zeuss]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Updated the Miranda Lawson FAQ. Added the following question:

Is Miranda's father the Shadow Broker?
This is a popular theory, but it seems unlikely. There is no single piece of evidence for it. Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, it seems unlikely that this has changed just because he had a falling out with Cerberus over Miranda. The Shadow Broker, on the other side, tried to sell Shepard's corpse to the Collectors - why someone with a pro-human agenda would do this needs an explanation. The Shadow Broker also seems to be a long-standing institution (although there is no hard evidence for that), and it seems unlikely that a human assumes the position just 26 years after First Contact. So, while nothing outright contradicts it, the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person needs more additional explanations than the hypothesis that they aren't. Thus, in absence of additional evidence, the latter is to be preferred.

Any other facts that should be taken into account?

I would still like to know from where we know that Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, or is that just supposition?

[jtav]

My money is on some combination of the first four items, particularly 2 and 4.



I wonder if she might harbor some guilt about recruiting Jacob for Cerberus since she loses faith in the organization in both endings.

[jtav]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I would still like to know from where we know that Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, or is that just supposition?

Miranda says as much: "It's ironic. My father believed deeply in a human-positive agenda. He donated generously to Cerberus... before I joined them."

[MatsudaTohu]

Yeah...

She's still sexy. Maybe too sexy.

[Ieldra]

@Lord Zeuss:
As I just notice that you're here: if I came upon you too hard in my reply to the Shadow Broker hypothesis, I'm sorry. It's just that this pops up *everywhere* without there being a single bit of evidence. It's just like a conspiracy theory - people make connections just because making connections is more interesting than not making them, without recognizing that we're speculating in a vacuum if there is no evidence *for* this hypothesis.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2010 - 02:07 .

[Jebel Krong]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Well to answer that question I’d have to think about why Miranda and Jacob broke up in the first place.

I think it could be a lot of things:

1. Jacob could’ve wanted something from her she wasn’t willing to give. Maybe they had sex and then he wanted it to be more serious. She walked away.

2. As jtav said, maybe Jacob became uncertain of who he is and it put her off.

3. Jacob became her subordinate when he joined Cerberus and in so doing became a part of her professional world, and she is extremely strict about not mixing feelings with business. She cut him off.

4. She and Jacob spent a lot of time together during the mission in Galaxy but once it was over she became married to her job again. Jacob realized their time together before was really a bit of an anomaly.

5. They started to really disagree about Cerberus.

I don't know the answer, but I know that if you're hit the renegade options with him, you can try to force Jacob to talk about it. Don't know if he reveals anything.

no - he asks you to drop it and ends the conversation.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 23 juin 2010 - 02:11 .

[Jebel Krong]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I would still like to know from where we know that Miranda's father has a pro-human agenda, or is that just supposition?

oneof the original and major supporters of cerberus? miranda specifically states that.

[Nightwriter]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

To add to the question:

Why is the hypothesis that Miranda's father and the Shadow Broker are one and the same person so popular? I have my own hypothesis about this, but before I present it, perhaps anyone else would like to comment...

The Shadow Broker is the biggest unknown we have right now. We like to connect two big mysteries together. We don't know who Miranda's father is, we don't know who the Shadow Broker is.

There are few other likely candidates in the game and we want to believe it's someone we already know.

Thank you!

Th-thank you? For what?

[pprrff]

There is really no need for bioware to make miranda's papa the shadow broker. If he does appear in ME3, he probably be someone like Hock, just a another rich powerful individual. If they actually make earth a playable location, one of the mission might have to do with him. I am however curious about his relation with TIM, it seems odd that TIM will allow an enemy to live and be a threat. Either TIM are unable to kill him or they have some sort of arrangement???

[Nightwriter]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't know the answer, but I know that if you're hit the renegade options with him, you can try to force Jacob to talk about it. Don't know if he reveals anything.

As Jebel said, he tells you nothing really.

You can ask. He’ll say, “It got close, then it got far apart.”

You can say you’re interested in her. “That’s your business, Commander.”

You can press him further. He’ll say, “If I knew what made her tick, I’d either be with her or dead.” (which leads to my belief that Jacob really doesn’t understand Miranda and this led to their breakup)

You can then tease him. “Sour grapes, Jacob?” (which leads to my impression she was the one who left him)

Jacob will say, “I’m glad we could have this talk, Commander. Goodbye.”

… And you’ll never get another word out of the man.

[jtav]

I'm curious: are Ieldra and I the only ones who have shifted to playing MaleSheps mostly because of Miranda? In ME, my preference was decidedly for FemShep for a variety of reasons. But I find myself playing, or attempting to play MaleShep more often solely because of Miranda. I'm starting to miss my FemSje[s and playing MaleShep still feels a bit off. *starts seriously considering the merits of hacking her game to romance Miranda as a FemShep*

Modifié par jtav, 23 juin 2010 - 04:54 .

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

I'm curious: are Ieldra and I the only ones who have shifted to playing MaleSheps mostly because of Miranda? In ME, my preference was decidedly for FemShep for a variety of reasons. But I find myself playing, or attempting to play MaleShep more often solely because of Miranda. I'm starting to miss my FemSje[s and playing MaleShep still feels a bit off.

I have Mshep & Fshep ME1 saves, but I played only the Mshep ones in ME2 because of Miranda.

[Nightwriter]

You and Ieldra are not the only ones.

[jtav]

Good. I was starting to wonder. Might be why I have trouble with her romance. It forces me to play in a way that doesn't feel natural.

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't know the answer, but I know that if you're hit the renegade options with him, you can try to force Jacob to talk about it. Don't know if he reveals anything.

As Jebel said, he tells you nothing really.

You can ask. He’ll say, “It got close, then it got far apart.”

You can say you’re interested in her. “That’s your business, Commander.”

You can press him further. He’ll say, “If I knew what made her tick, I’d either be with her or dead.” (which leads to my belief that Jacob really doesn’t understand Miranda and this led to their breakup)

You can then tease him. “Sour grapes, Jacob?” (which leads to my impression she was the one who left him)

Jacob will say, “I’m glad we could have this talk, Commander. Goodbye.”

… And you’ll never get another word out of the man.

That's it? Man, will the guy let someone get to know him for once???

Hmm, Yeah it seems that way. I guess maybe it has to do with Loyalty vs Moral beliefs. Example, Miranda's working for Cerberus because she thinks they're doing the right thing. While Jacob isn't loyal, but believes they're the only ones going after the bad people. So maybe it's their belief in Cerberus that tore them apart.

Or maybe it's because Miranda keeps too many secrets, which she doesn't want to talk about. Example, did he even know she had a sister?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 juin 2010 - 05:44 .

[TheSixthghoul]

I didn't. Playing male Shepard felt natural and it didn't make me feel like masochist,unlike female Shepard. I have two imports for female Shepard and I'm not even going to bother to import them to ME2.Taht sort of a secondary reason no Miranda not worth playing, hell even Jack would be acceptable romance.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 23 juin 2010 - 05:29 .

[jtav]

I enjoy FemShep's options (well, Kaidan and Thane). Just wish Miranda could have been an option as well.

[MatsudaTohu]

If you notice, after Shepard has sex with Miri, the picture of Ashley on his desk is turned over.

[Caihn]

MatsudaTohu wrote...

If you notice, after Shepard has sex with Miri, the picture of Ashley on his desk is turned over.

The picture is turned over before this scene.

Modifié par Yannkee, 23 juin 2010 - 06:13 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Good. I was starting to wonder. Might be why I have trouble with her romance. It forces me to play in a way that doesn't feel natural.

Strange....I wonder why it's not feeling unnatural for me to play a femShep. BTW, I didn't switch to mostly maleSheps. Before Miranda it was 5:1 for femSheps, now it's 3:3.

[jtav]

My mistake. And I didn't mean playing the opposite gender is unnatural. It's just been hammered into my brain that Shepard and the Warden are females. I'm equally stuck on Revan and the Bhaalspawn being men.

[Nightwriter]

TMA LIVE wrote...

That's it? Man, will the guy let someone get to know him for once???

Hmm, Yeah it seems that way. I guess maybe it has to do with Loyalty vs Moral beliefs. Example, Miranda's working for Cerberus because she thinks they're doing the right thing. While Jacob isn't loyal, but believes they're the only ones going after the bad people. So maybe it's their belief in Cerberus that tore them apart.

Or maybe it's because Miranda keeps too many secrets, which she doesn't want to talk about. Example, did he even know she had a sister?

When I first did Miranda's loyalty mission I took Jacob, expecting him to say... something.

I was really hoping for a, "Wtf Miranda you have a sister?!" line. But I got nothin'.

Honestly I think the reason they broke up is their differences just became too great for it to work. And there were so many differences that could be at work - professional differences, ethical differences, personal differences. 

In response to the question of why it might work with Shepard but not with Jacob, the most important thing I can say is that Shepard actually has the ability to affect Miranda and change her. This is because, unlike Jacob, Shepard became involved in Miranda's personal world when he helped her save her sister. I don't even think she let Jacob into her personal world that much. In fact I think Shepard was a bit of an anomaly in that regard.

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

That's it? Man, will the guy let someone get to know him for once???

Hmm, Yeah it seems that way. I guess maybe it has to do with Loyalty vs Moral beliefs. Example, Miranda's working for Cerberus because she thinks they're doing the right thing. While Jacob isn't loyal, but believes they're the only ones going after the bad people. So maybe it's their belief in Cerberus that tore them apart.

Or maybe it's because Miranda keeps too many secrets, which she doesn't want to talk about. Example, did he even know she had a sister?

When I first did Miranda's loyalty mission I took Jacob, expecting him to say... something.

I was really hoping for a, "Wtf Miranda you have a sister?!" line. But I got nothin'.

Honestly I think the reason they broke up is their differences just became too great for it to work. And there were so many differences that could be at work - professional differences, ethical differences, personal differences. 

In response to the question of why it might work with Shepard but not with Jacob, the most important thing I can say is that Shepard actually has the ability to affect Miranda and change her. This is because, unlike Jacob, Shepard became involved in Miranda's personal world when he helped her save her sister. I don't even think she let Jacob into her personal world that much. In fact I think Shepard was a bit of an anomaly in that regard.

Yeah,  I guess that's why it might work with Shepard. He's the only one Miranda doesn't have to keep secrets from, and can be more open to.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 23 juin 2010 - 09:09 .