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[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

Hmm. Major plot twist? I still think Shepard is part-Reaper due to Lazarus. Miranda has some explaining to do...

Or the Illusive Man's really Miranda's father.  Joking. :crying:

[enayasoul]

TomY90 wrote...


I have an image of ashley being miranda's jack in ME3 especially if you romanced with them both considering its plausible that ashley would have changed her appearance to get shepherd appearance and to try to stop him from being with someone else (you can create good dialogue from the design change)

I can even imagine quite a few arguments between the two because they are very similar personalities granted ashley is much more hot headed but them both are really confident in their ability, they do not take rubbish from anyone, they know how to handle themselves and they know how to get what they want.

So i say expect fireworks in ME3 between them I can even expect ashley do something you wont expect she could even try to remove miranda from the equation (this is if the rumours are true of ashley being a spectre) especially if she thinks miranda is a spy for cerberus (which i very much doubt unless cerberus black mailed her with her sister or something but I do not think she would stand for that) 

That would be interesting.  Ashley acts more like a lady to impress Shepard.     

I've asked in a previous comment because I've been working on a chapter in my fic, what if they all met and how would they react to each other.  It's challenging.  They all have valid reasons.  I actually did make a list of both Ash and Miranda's similarities and differences.   They do have a lot in common.  

I hope Ashley wouldn't do the unexpected with trying to get Miranda out of the picture by force.  I think my maleshep would get turned off by that if he was really in love with Miranda.

I am sure Ash will still have her doubts about Cerberus and will be watching out for Shepard.

[Ieldra]

g54 wrote...
I signed up just to ask if my favorite woman in the galaxy was returning.

Also a new magazine article is out...read more here

"The article also have the picture of the refurbished SR2's interior. The caption says that parts of the Cerberus crew will actually leave the ship, and that it will feel quite empty early in the game."

"The caption states that every single squaddie who survived ME2 will be back. It does not say if they're going to be playable or even permanent squaddies (aside from the Fantastic 4 that we already know of)."

Credit to Arcian for letting us know about this.

Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting.

@Spartas Husky
I'm also for Miranda getting a redesign. But only subtle changes. And new outfits of course.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 avril 2011 - 09:16 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
How do you think Miranda will conduct herself in ME3 if Shepard has a prior romance with Ash/Liara?

I don't think that Shepard having had a prior romance in the first place will greatly affect Miranda, though the fact that that the prior LI has a permanent presence on the ship might make her a little edgy. As a rule, I think she'd treat Ashley with cool disdain and Liara with wary respect, regardless of a prior romance. I don't think there will be any prior romance-specific behavior unless the "older" LI appears to rekindle the relationship with Shepard, or vice versa.

Should that dreaded "conflict scene" happen, she'll avoid to appear as losing her cool at all costs, answering any open passion with snark and sarcasm towards the rival. She might have done some research on them which gives her ammunition. Confrontation with Ashley is easy - they're so very different in personality and Ashley's behavior on Horizon makes her an easy target. With Liara not so much, since many things she could level at her would also apply to herself. The same applies to comments on Ashley's new outfit. That particular glass house is very fragile.

In general, I tend to agree with Spartas Husky - drama for the sake of drama carries the danger of making people act out-of-character. So any conflict should be restricted to private matters. Liara's, Ashley's and Miranda's past operations as spies, Spectres etc.. should not come into it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 avril 2011 - 08:36 .

[Ieldra]

Just a thought that occurred to me: If Miranda is not present at the start of ME3, will those who romanced Ashley or Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 have to decide what they want before they even meet Miranda again? Will I have to make a choice not even knowing if I'll see Miranda again?

[jtav]

I should hope not. That would be deeply unfair. My current Shepard is paralyzed with indecision. If Liara had told him the truth from the beginning, he wouldn't have moved on. If Miranda had not been so unexpectedly dedicated and brilliant, he wouldn't have fallen for her. He loves them both, though he and Miranda are going through a rough patch because she didn't clarify Liara's behavior. I don't know who he'll choose.

[jamesp81]

enayasoul wrote...

TomY90 wrote...


I have an image of ashley being miranda's jack in ME3 especially if you romanced with them both considering its plausible that ashley would have changed her appearance to get shepherd appearance and to try to stop him from being with someone else (you can create good dialogue from the design change)

I can even imagine quite a few arguments between the two because they are very similar personalities granted ashley is much more hot headed but them both are really confident in their ability, they do not take rubbish from anyone, they know how to handle themselves and they know how to get what they want.

So i say expect fireworks in ME3 between them I can even expect ashley do something you wont expect she could even try to remove miranda from the equation (this is if the rumours are true of ashley being a spectre) especially if she thinks miranda is a spy for cerberus (which i very much doubt unless cerberus black mailed her with her sister or something but I do not think she would stand for that) 

That would be interesting.  Ashley acts more like a lady to impress Shepard.     

I've asked in a previous comment because I've been working on a chapter in my fic, what if they all met and how would they react to each other.  It's challenging.  They all have valid reasons.  I actually did make a list of both Ash and Miranda's similarities and differences.   They do have a lot in common.  

I hope Ashley wouldn't do the unexpected with trying to get Miranda out of the picture by force.  I think my maleshep would get turned off by that if he was really in love with Miranda.

I am sure Ash will still have her doubts about Cerberus and will be watching out for Shepard.

I wonder if someone has made the same list for Miranda and Samara.  I find that they share a lot of the same personality traits, surprisingly.  They're both dangerously intelligent, hard, good in a fight, and both believe they have to hide their feelings and be invincible every second of their lives.

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just a thought that occurred to me: If Miranda is not present at the start of ME3, will those who romanced Ashley or Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 have to decide what they want before they even meet Miranda again? Will I have to make a choice not even knowing if I'll see Miranda again?

You will see her again.
Something to note is that Casey Hudson when interviewed said somehting along the lines of "ME3 is really the cherry on top of the ME series in terms of (first thing he says) relationships,..." HERE The quoted starts @ 2:56

When you say at the start of ME3 do you mean the prologue?
I don't think they will do that...unless! its part of the court thing where they are like "Oh we heard you were working with Cerberus and were even romantically involved with one of their top operatives!"

That would be funny though...Shepard and crew are trying to get to the Normandy and get the hell out while fighting through the different husks...

Ashley/Liara: Wait Shepard! I heard you were romantically involved with Miranda!
Shepard (pinned down with husks all around): This isn't the time Ashley/Liara!
Ashley/Liara: You bet its time.  Either you are with her or you are with me! Which is it going to be?
Shepard (gunning down a rachni husk): ....

Modifié par g54, 28 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[aeetos21]

g54 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just a thought that occurred to me: If Miranda is not present at the start of ME3, will those who romanced Ashley or Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 have to decide what they want before they even meet Miranda again? Will I have to make a choice not even knowing if I'll see Miranda again?

You will see her again.
Something to note is that Casey Hudson when interviewed said somehting along the lines of "ME3 is really the cherry on top of the ME series in terms of (first thing he says) relationships,..." HERE The quoted starts @ 2:56

When you say at the start of ME3 do you mean the prologue?
I don't think they will do that...unless! its part of the court thing where they are like "Oh we heard you were working with Cerberus and were even romantically involved with one of their top operatives!"

That would be funny though...Shepard and crew are trying to get to the Normandy and get the hell out while fighting through the different husks...

Ashley/Liara: Wait Shepard! I heard you were romantically involved with Miranda!
Shepard (pinned down with husks all around): This isn't the time Ashley/Liara!
Ashley/Liara: You bet its time.  Either you are with her or you are with me! Which is it going to be?
Shepard (gunning down a rachni husk): ....

There's no doubt in my mind we'll see her again which all but confirms Yvonne will be voicing her for ME3 - the nerd rage fallout if she doesn't would be catastrophic to say nothing of Zach Levi and Josh Gomez, two of her co-stars on Chuck which are HUGE fans of the series. The question now is to what capacity and I'm afraid nothing less than a full squaddy will cut it for me at this point. I know a lot of people are thinking her role will be similar to Liara's in LotSB but compare that role to the rest of the ME2 squadmates and man did it come up short.

I can see the Alliance AND the Council saying that crap as an enormous portion in both of ME3's predecessors was all about dealing with bureuacrats who wouldn't get off their collected asses even if the sky was falling right in front of them. Which is why I have a problem of Shepard returning to the Alliance, though I do like the comparison to Doolittle.

As for Liara/Ash going ballistic in the middle of a firefight? Even if I was still unsure at that point that would close the deal entirely on who I'd go with seeing as how Miranda thinks just like me and would never do something so immature as that.

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...
As for Liara/Ash going ballistic in the middle of a firefight? Even if I was still unsure at that point that would close the deal entirely on who I'd go with seeing as how Miranda thinks just like me and would never do something so immature as that.

It was just a joke on what Iedra2 said about "choosing at the beginning"

[Spartas Husky]

Anyone hoping for Miranda and Ash to fight... verbally at least? If you had them both as LI in ME1 and then Miri in ME2?

[jtav]

No, absolutely not. They're grown women and Shep isn't worth it.

[Vertigo_1]

I can see them in a confrontation but nothing more (think ME1 confrontation between Liara, Ashley and Shepard)

Modifié par g54, 29 avril 2011 - 01:55 .

[naledgeborn]

jtav wrote...

No, absolutely not. They're grown women and Shep isn't worth it.

No not at all. The man responsible for halting a galaxy wide extinction cycle perpetrated by machine gods not once, but twice isn't worth being bickered over by two gorgeous women. 

[Space Sweeper]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Ha. That's what we want to know as well.... Hopefully they'll release something soon. Next I'll fly to Edmonton and break into Bioware's secret lab where they develop their plans for world domination....

I live in Vancouver...

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Modifié par Space Sweeper, 29 avril 2011 - 05:19 .

[TheMarshal]

naledgeborn wrote...

jtav wrote...

No, absolutely not. They're grown women and Shep isn't worth it.

No not at all. The man responsible for halting a galaxy wide extinction cycle perpetrated by machine gods not once, but twice isn't worth being bickered over by two gorgeous women. 

I think her point was that because they're two gorgeous, self-reliant women, they could easily find someone else.  And saving the galaxy doesn't necessarily make someone a catch.  Just sayin'...

[Spartas Husky]

jtav wrote...

No, absolutely not. They're grown women and Shep isn't worth it.

lol no I wasn't referring to them because they were love interest. I am referring to the fact that Ash for some reason trusts politicians more than she does Shepperd. ANd Miranda is willing to do w/e it takes to get the job done.

Ash apparently ended up turning into a "by the book soldier" for some weird reason.

Thats what I was saying. Sorry should have specified.

[aeetos21]

TheMarshal wrote...
I think her point was that because they're two gorgeous, self-reliant women, they could easily find someone else.  And saving the galaxy doesn't necessarily make someone a catch.  Just sayin'...

All true but shepard is the MAN of the ME universe, the absolute alpha male. Ash says he is a God and Miranda talks about her willingness to follow him into hell itself. And while they may be referring mostly to his skills on the battlefield you just know some of that hero worship spills over to their personal interactions - especially if Shepard slept with both of them.

Quick question, anyone know if Shepard shoots down Ash before the drop to Ilos does she still refer to that night as "their night" on Horizon?

Ash: "I keep going back to that night, our night. When I came on to you and you shot me down. I'll never forget it..."

Modifié par aeetos21, 29 avril 2011 - 06:17 .

[Ieldra]

About Ashley and Miranda:

I do not want them to fight over Shepard because that would be demeaning to them, make them appear stupid and it would be an insult to Shepard as well. Ashley and Miranda are not teenage girls who would fight over a man as if that decided anything. None of them is stupid and they both have their pride, and would not show how much this means to them to a rival.

Having said that, they are very different in personality and will probably not like each other much in the first place, and I can imagine that the rivalry does add some tension which will express itself as an extra sharp comment here and there. But nothing more than that.

As for the hero worship, the less of that there is the better. We have Tali for that part, we don't need Miranda or Ashley to succumb. Both Ashley and Miranda are exactly not the kind of woman who would jump when the hero wriggles his little finger, and I want things to stay that way. That Ashley and Miranda have a strong presence of their own independently from Shepard is one of their points of attraction.

@Spartas Husky:
Ashley does most emphatically *not* trust politicians. In ME1 she makes several comments in elevator rides about how much she does not trust politicians and how much she hates politics.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 avril 2011 - 07:58 .

[Arijharn]

The problem though is this; in my experience and observations women gravitate towards men who are confident (****-sure?), slightly arrogant, witty, successful (independent) and for want of a better word: 'manly' (amongst other things, however, these things mainly as a general rule).

How many men who are national heroes do you see that are single? Consider the fact that Shephard is an 'absolute alpha male' to quote Aeetos and then ask yourself this: how is it possible that they aren't sexually attracted to him? The point I'm trying to say is that there should be some sort of competition (preferably subtle, I wouldn't really be able to accept a bikini mud-wrestling grudge match between them) between them for Shephard because of these factors, and because I live vicariously through Shephard in my interactions with the game, and I'd like the game to massage my (damn) ego a bit.

[Mr Plow]

Arijharn wrote...

 I wouldn't really be able to accept a bikini mud-wrestling grudge match between them) between them for Shepard .

I would  


There doesn't have to be some sort of catfight which some would find demeaning but the issue will surely be addressed somehow

[aeetos21]

Well they have the catsuits, I'm sure Ash could borrow one of Miranda's if need be,,,

LOL

All joking aside while in RL the whole national hero and alpha male would indeed be a huge magnet - in ME's case (and I'll just stick with the whole Miranda VS Ash thing for this) there is no way BW would demean either character by going full tilt hero worship, BW purposely spun them both to be just too much their own person despite the Shepard is a God comments.

As for a cat fight... I can see it but it wouldn't just be about Shepard. That would certainly play a part but the whole Alliance VS Cerberus precursor we saw on Horizon I think will be the main substance to it and Shepard will just be salt in an already festering wound.

[mangiraffe dog000]

I've come to warn you about MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG!! It's the single greatest threat to humanity!! RUN AWAY!!



I'm still more Serial than ever guys.

[Ieldra]

@Arijharn:
A competition is absolutely appropriate. It's just that I don't want it to escalate to fighting. I guess there's no hard line between those, but as soon as anyone starts making a fool of herself things have gone too far.

As for the inevitability of being attracted.....I don't know, one of my Shepard can be a real a**hole. You wouldn't know he's not always one if you only met him in public.

[aeetos21]

mangiraffe dog000 wrote...

I've come to warn you about MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG!! It's the single greatest threat to humanity!! RUN AWAY!!



I'm still more Serial than ever guys.

I LOVE THAT EPISODE!!!