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[Ieldra]

Somehow I have not so much to say this evening. So...good night. And this page is missing a Miranda picture...

[KendallX23]

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

That's it? Man, will the guy let someone get to know him for once???

Hmm, Yeah it seems that way. I guess maybe it has to do with Loyalty vs Moral beliefs. Example, Miranda's working for Cerberus because she thinks they're doing the right thing. While Jacob isn't loyal, but believes they're the only ones going after the bad people. So maybe it's their belief in Cerberus that tore them apart.

Or maybe it's because Miranda keeps too many secrets, which she doesn't want to talk about. Example, did he even know she had a sister?

When I first did Miranda's loyalty mission I took Jacob, expecting him to say... something.

I was really hoping for a, "Wtf Miranda you have a sister?!" line. But I got nothin'.

Honestly I think the reason they broke up is their differences just became too great for it to work. And there were so many differences that could be at work - professional differences, ethical differences, personal differences. 

In response to the question of why it might work with Shepard but not with Jacob, the most important thing I can say is that Shepard actually has the ability to affect Miranda and change her. This is because, unlike Jacob, Shepard became involved in Miranda's personal world when he helped her save her sister. I don't even think she let Jacob into her personal world that much. In fact I think Shepard was a bit of an anomaly in that regard.

Shepard IS an anomaly...women/men fall for him/her all the time...i am thinking pimp SHepard would be an apropiate title

[TheSixthghoul]

Hey did anyone get the new fire fox update? It has a new feature call persona's. It give you this wallpaper art for its internet, it even has mass effect and of Miranda . Just a heads up.

[MatsudaTohu]

I don't have firefox.

[Lord Zeuss]

@jtav: Thanks, that makes it clear now.

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Lord Zeuss:
As I just notice that you're here: if I came upon you too hard in my reply to the Shadow Broker hypothesis, I'm sorry. It's just that this pops up *everywhere* without there being a single bit of evidence. It's just like a conspiracy theory - people make connections just because making connections is more interesting than not making them, without recognizing that we're speculating in a vacuum if there is no evidence *for* this hypothesis.

Well, I can understand how a ubiquitous subject can fray the nerves. In my defense, I honestly didn't know if this had occurred to other people (hence my asking of the question), so adding it the FAQ was a good idea. I'll give it a thorough read-over next time I feel like posting, so hopefully we can avoid this unpleasantness in the future.

[MatsudaTohu]

What does any of that have to do with Miranda?

[Lord Zeuss]

MatsudaTohu wrote...

What does any of that have to do with Miranda?

It has to do with Miranda, because Miranda's father was the topic of discussion. I don't see his support thread around at the time being, so this seemed the logical place to discuss it.

[MatsudaTohu]

Well... Okay.

[jtav]

Here's something I don't think we've discussed yet: Assuming Miranda did introduce herself, what's her relationship with Oriana going to be like? I really want them to be close.



The Paragon end of her loyalty mission never fails to make me a bit teary-eyed. Am I alone. Not nudging her into talking to her sister is the single most painful thing I do in a pure Renegade game. I'm not planning on importing any of those into ME3.

[MatsudaTohu]

DId you ever get that email from Oriana?

She thanks Shepard for letting them meet and such.

[jtav]

And I realize I'm contradicting what I said about going Renegade their more often than not. I do, but those games were mostly to hear certain dialogue. You habe no idea how much I want her to ne surrounded by people that love her.

[KendallX23]

well regarding Oriana..i am afraid of what TIM would do now that Miri is quitting Cerberus....Oriana is not safe anymore

[MatsudaTohu]

Well, maybe Miri will do something about her dad one of these days. Involving a cliff and sharp rocks, maybe?

[LuxDragon]

KendallX23 wrote...

well regarding Oriana..i am afraid of what TIM would do now that Miri is quitting Cerberus....Oriana is not safe anymore

On the other hand, Miranda has some really intimate knowledge of Cerberus. As careful as TIM is, Miranda was rather high up. It's a standoff really. Oriana's life to get at Miranda, or A big ass chunk of Cerberus coming apart because of some well place intelligence on Miranda's part.

I can't help what wonder what'll happen in ME 3 though. Something like that won't last afterall.

[Auzden]

MatsudaTohu wrote...

DId you ever get that email from Oriana?
She thanks Shepard for letting them meet and such.

indeed! although i wish we could of seen more from her. i predict she will make a return in ME3

[AndroLeonidas]

KendallX23 wrote...

well regarding Oriana..i am afraid of what TIM would do now that Miri is quitting Cerberus....Oriana is not safe anymore

I'm thinking he really won't do a whole lot. Four reasons...

1. The data that Shepard recovered from the first game and kept a copy of.
2. The data he recovers in ME2 and keeps. (If you so choose)
3. Miranda knows far too much than TIM would like her to know.
4. Who in their right mind wants both Shepard and Miri gunning for your? Even TIM ain't that stupid.

[ADLegend21]

I want Miranda as my XO in ME3

[KendallX23]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I want Miranda as my XO in ME3

i think this is almost sure...where would Miranda go...living with Oriana on a farm world ?she is not going to let SHep alone against the Reapers...and if she is the LI she has one more reason to stay with u...and don't see Shep choosing another second in command...

[Errol Dnamyx]

Well, maybe BW decides that it´s Jacobs time to get promoted, wouldn´t that be great?



Anyway I don´t think Oriana is in great danger because Miranda resigned. TiM is not one for revenge, hurting Oriana would not make Miranda or Shepard change their minds, I don´t see what could be gained for him by that action. And he would make Shepranda really mad, which is decidedly bad for his health.

[KendallX23]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Well, maybe BW decides that it´s Jacobs time to get promoted, wouldn´t that be great?

Anyway I don´t think Oriana is in great danger because Miranda resigned. TiM is not one for revenge, hurting Oriana would not make Miranda or Shepard change their minds, I don´t see what could be gained for him by that action. And he would make Shepranda really mad, which is decidedly bad for his health.

TIM is out for revenge..check the last novel...and the one that comes now....but i agree that making SHep and Miri angry won't pay off for TIM..still..something gotta happen to bring Cerberus down

[Ieldra]

KendallX23 wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Well, maybe BW decides that it´s Jacobs time to get promoted, wouldn´t that be great?

Anyway I don´t think Oriana is in great danger because Miranda resigned. TiM is not one for revenge, hurting Oriana would not make Miranda or Shepard change their minds, I don´t see what could be gained for him by that action. And he would make Shepranda really mad, which is decidedly bad for his health.

TIM is out for revenge..check the last novel...and the one that comes now....but i agree that making SHep and Miri angry won't pay off for TIM..still..something gotta happen to bring Cerberus down

I prefer to think of TIM as an evil genius (as shown in ME2) with acting skills that make people doubt his intentions, not a frothing fanatic like in the books. He would try to act against Shepard, if only because he and the Normandy were a substantial investment. I think there is some hidden programming in EDI which is set to become active should Shepard act against TIM - we'll see exactly what right at the start of ME3, if you ask me. As for personal revenge, I would like to think TIM is above "petty grudges". He'd make a less stereotypical villain that way. Apart from that, he has bigger matters to attend to.

It all depends on how canonical we're supposed to take his characterization in the books. I think the game presents him better. He's an interesting figure in ME2, not a cardboard villain. Less predictable, too. The only thing we can take for sure is that *if* he is out for revenge, he'll try to hit Shepard and Miranda where they'll feel it, and that includes Oriana. At the same time, his revenge will be of a kind that also furthers his bigger plans.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2010 - 07:15 .

[HighMoon]

Hidden dance scene between Shepard and Miranda in ME2. >_>

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Here's something I don't think we've discussed yet: Assuming Miranda did introduce herself, what's her relationship with Oriana going to be like? I really want them to be close.

The Paragon end of her loyalty mission never fails to make me a bit teary-eyed. Am I alone. Not nudging her into talking to her sister is the single most painful thing I do in a pure Renegade game. I'm not planning on importing any of those into ME3.

I think they are already closer than Miranda likes to admit - see the email. I get the impression that this is the kind of relationship where just thinking of the other, knowing she is aware of you, can make you smile, no matter how far away they are from each other. 
About the decision in her loyalty mission - the Renegade decision does make a lot of sense, you make it on the "need to know" principle. Still, I only vaguely recall having made that decision in one game, I don't even remember which one it was. Probably with a femShep. Maybe I did reload after that. Is *is* very painful, and I would like Miranda and Oriana to be close...

I need a tool for extracting decisions from my saved games .

Edit:
Don't follow the youtube link in the post above. It has nothing to do with ME2, even less with Miranda and Shepard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2010 - 07:33 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Here's something I don't think we've discussed yet: Assuming Miranda did introduce herself, what's her relationship with Oriana going to be like? I really want them to be close.

The Paragon end of her loyalty mission never fails to make me a bit teary-eyed. Am I alone. Not nudging her into talking to her sister is the single most painful thing I do in a pure Renegade game. I'm not planning on importing any of those into ME3.

I think they are already closer than Miranda likes to admit - see the email. I get the impression that this is the kind of relationship where just thinking of the other, knowing she is aware of you, can make you smile, no matter how far away they are from each other. 
About the decision in her loyalty mission - the Renegade decision does make a lot of sense, you make it on the "need to know" principle. Still, I only vaguely recall having made that decision in one game, I don't even remember which one it was. Probably with a femShep. Maybe I did reload after that. Is *is* very painful, and I would like Miranda and Oriana to be close...

I need a tool for extracting decisions from my saved games .

Edit:
Don't follow the youtube link in the post above. It has nothing to do with ME2, even less with Miranda and Shepard.

Had a feeling it was spam, oh well I will just report it, have to be on the mods good side....

Modifié par kraidy1117, 24 juin 2010 - 07:37 .

[Jebel Krong]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I don't know the answer, but I know that if you're hit the renegade options with him, you can try to force Jacob to talk about it. Don't know if he reveals anything.

As Jebel said, he tells you nothing really.

You can ask. He’ll say, “It got close, then it got far apart.”

You can say you’re interested in her. “That’s your business, Commander.”

You can press him further. He’ll say, “If I knew what made her tick, I’d either be with her or dead.” (which leads to my belief that Jacob really doesn’t understand Miranda and this led to their breakup)

You can then tease him. “Sour grapes, Jacob?” (which leads to my impression she was the one who left him)

Jacob will say, “I’m glad we could have this talk, Commander. Goodbye.”

… And you’ll never get another word out of the man.

That's it? Man, will the guy let someone get to know him for once???

Hmm, Yeah it seems that way. I guess maybe it has to do with Loyalty vs Moral beliefs. Example, Miranda's working for Cerberus because she thinks they're doing the right thing. While Jacob isn't loyal, but believes they're the only ones going after the bad people. So maybe it's their belief in Cerberus that tore them apart.

Or maybe it's because Miranda keeps too many secrets, which she doesn't want to talk about. Example, did he even know she had a sister?

given her nature, and her father's i don't think she talked about herself or family with anyone until shepard. that distance is probably what frustrated jacob/other suitors.

nice quoteing btw, nightwrite, i couldn't remember all of the trees off the top of my head - but those are the options i always take in that convo anyway.