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[Ieldra]

E3...yeah. When is that - June? But all I care about is news about Miranda now. I have enough information about the rest of the game. Damn Garrus. Damn Tali. We've already had two games with them. I want Miranda!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 05 mai 2011 - 10:07 .

[naledgeborn]

 As of now still no Miranda. She's either really damn important, 


or

she's a cameo.

[jtav]

Just to get away from squadmate status for a moment, I wonder what's going to become of Miranda if you kept the base. As much as I would love a boss fight against her, I imagine she'll more or less be on Shepard's side.

[Caihn]

naledgeborn wrote...

 As of now still no Miranda. She's either really damn important, 
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or

she's a cameo.
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If she's a cameo, I don't buy the game.

Modifié par Yannkee, 05 mai 2011 - 10:30 .

[jtav]

I'm buying the game. Miranda is an important reason I enjoy the series, but hardly the only reason.

[naledgeborn]

Yannkee wrote...
If she's a cameo, I don't buy the game.

Me neither. If that's the case AFAIC Shepard died on the Collector base.

[Sigyn2011]

jtav wrote...

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MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That Shepard attemps to help her in dealing with that is obvious, in both the Paragon and the Renegade romances.

Really,
the Renegade? Could you please elaborate? I must admit I always felt
that the Renegade path contained little else of value besides "Slap Slap
Kiss Kiss".

Via distraction. She's drowning in self-pity/anguish during that conversation. He focuses her on something outside herself, refocus her train of thought. It's pretty clear she's not angry during that argument. Her tone is almost amused, not the iciness she usually has when angry.

Agreed.  He deflects her self pity to make her try to see past that.  The first Shep I had did the paragon romance, but when I tried the renegade half, I almost preferred it.  She shares this same self esteem issue that Ashley had ("the I'm never gonna be good enough") at first, then he helps her see past that by saying, "prove them all wrong and stop feeling sorry for yourself.  You're better than that."  The paragon option gives her a shoulder to cry on and then the option to flirt.

If you'll all remember in the first conversation they have even before the romance, Shepard can tell her that "you certainly don't lack for confidence".  Then later on, he can throw it right back at her in the renegade option, which is why she's partially amused by it (well, in my opinion).

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
Would you settle for colonist Shepard with Miranda tutoring him in biotics?

Sure, send it my way, if you please

I don't thunk any one dialog option is gong to have a lasting impact. And getting her out of her depression is a good first step.

I disagree. Shepard; a man she respects, envies and even has feelings for; saying he admires her and telling her to ignore the way she was created and just take pride in her accomplishments? That ougth to do some lasting good.
Not saying that her self-esteem problem has been cured, of course. Only that if that is your goal, the Paragon path seems the way to go.

Sigyn2011 wrote...
She shares this same self esteem issue that Ashley had ("the I'm never gonna be good enough") at first,

Wrong, Miranda's problem is not about being good enough. She's not just "good enough", she excells at anything she does, the problem is that she doesn't feel she can take credit for any of her accomplishments because what allows her to perform them are the gifts her father gave her.
So, it's way worse than what Ashley had.

"prove them all wrong and stop feeling sorry for yourself. You're better than that."

I simply don't see that in the Renegade path. Shepard is teasing her, it's all in good fun and he may even be trying to ger her mind out of her issue. However, I just can't see where you are getting what you posted from.

The paragon option gives her a shoulder to cry on

No, the Paragon option allows Shepard to express an admiration for Miranda and to try to convince her that she should take some pride in her accomplishments.

I think the lighting in the Collector Cruiser really favors Miranda.

Modifié par MisterJB, 05 mai 2011 - 11:31 .

[Sigyn2011]

All right, I'm with you--she was built for perfection, therefore, she doesn't feel like she's accomplished much because of it. The quotes I made were interpretations of mine, not what he actually said, to clarify. I had to admire the great lighting as well...after all...I do it for a job.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Yannkee wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

 As of now still no Miranda. She's either really damn important, 


or

she's a cameo.

If she's a cameo, I don't buy the game.

If Miranda isn't in constant contact or in my squad for at least half the game, I'm gonna steal all the food that EpicMealTime creates and throw it around inside the devs offices.

AND I'm probably not gonna buy the game either, because I pretty much know that Thane's dead, or he's out of the picture permanently though he hasn't died, and now they take out my favorite videogame woman (who I would totally go gay for) of all time...yeah.

[Prudii Aden]

Enough with the hysterics ladies and gentlemen. We'll find out when we find out - random threats don't do you or other Miranda fans any favours, as well as being counterproductive.

[Blarty]

In all honesty, the ending of ME2 kind of requires Miranda to completely stand by Shepard - (if the collector base isn't destroyed) I can't see her leaving Shepard for some other assignment - I believe Shepard is the first person that really works alongside her and that she honestly trusts, and feels she can exhibit her true emotions and feelings around. If the Collector base is destroyed, then she really has already made her choice to stay with Shepard, irrespective of what she accomplished with Cerberus.

The only way that Bioware can approach Miranda and Shepard not being squadmates in ME3 is by leveraging her protectiveness over her sister, although I would hope they don't make it into a single mission 'Thanks for helping me with my sister, Shepard, but I can't leave her now..... etc. etc.'

[Jebel Krong]

Sigyn2011 wrote...

jtav wrote...

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MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
That Shepard attemps to help her in dealing with that is obvious, in both the Paragon and the Renegade romances.

Really,
the Renegade? Could you please elaborate? I must admit I always felt
that the Renegade path contained little else of value besides "Slap Slap
Kiss Kiss".

Via distraction. She's drowning in self-pity/anguish during that conversation. He focuses her on something outside herself, refocus her train of thought. It's pretty clear she's not angry during that argument. Her tone is almost amused, not the iciness she usually has when angry.

Agreed.  He deflects her self pity to make her try to see past that.  The first Shep I had did the paragon romance, but when I tried the renegade half, I almost preferred it.  She shares this same self esteem issue that Ashley had ("the I'm never gonna be good enough") at first, then he helps her see past that by saying, "prove them all wrong and stop feeling sorry for yourself.  You're better than that."  The paragon option gives her a shoulder to cry on and then the option to flirt.

If you'll all remember in the first conversation they have even before the romance, Shepard can tell her that "you certainly don't lack for confidence".  Then later on, he can throw it right back at her in the renegade option, which is why she's partially amused by it (well, in my opinion).

her conversations have some of the better (and by better i mean: more intelligent renegade lines in the game, and for once they actually fit the situation. sometimes playing renegade you feel like you've picked up the stupid ball with some of the statements, which hurts the pragmatic way i tend to play.

[MisterJB]

Blarty wrote...
The only way that Bioware can approach Miranda and Shepard not being squadmates in ME3 is by leveraging her protectiveness over her sister, although I would hope they don't make it into a single mission 'Thanks for helping me with my sister, Shepard, but I can't leave her now..... etc. etc.'

Standing by Shepard doesn't mean that she'll have to follow him everywhere.
Anyway, I can see other ways for Bioware to not have Miranda as a permanent squadmate. For example, as much as I hate to admit it, Miranda would be most useful saboutaging Cerberus and spreading dissent amongst its ranks, the word of the former Loyalist would have strength indeed.
So, my money's on Miranda being only recruitable on the Third act, after Cerberus has been brough to its knees.

[Blarty]

Yes I understand that, and that wasn't quite the concept I was going for, but in a way Miranda can stand essentially shoulder to shoulder with Shepard as an equal in many respects, knowing that he understands her and her flaws and doesn't judge her for it or condemns her mistakes; I would imagine that this is fairly new for her.

I love the idea of taking Cerberus down from the inside with one of their own top agents.... but I don't just want a cameo or a single mission appearance.

From a game perspective, Miranda was in my squad pretty much all the time in ME2, the combination of Overload and Warp in a single squadmate is useful and usable across nearly every mission.

[Jebel Krong]

MisterJB wrote...

Blarty wrote...
The only way that Bioware can approach Miranda and Shepard not being squadmates in ME3 is by leveraging her protectiveness over her sister, although I would hope they don't make it into a single mission 'Thanks for helping me with my sister, Shepard, but I can't leave her now..... etc. etc.'

Standing by Shepard doesn't mean that she'll have to follow him everywhere.
Anyway, I can see other ways for Bioware to not have Miranda as a permanent squadmate. For example, as much as I hate to admit it, Miranda would be most useful saboutaging Cerberus and spreading dissent amongst its ranks, the word of the former Loyalist would have strength indeed.
So, my money's on Miranda being only recruitable on the Third act, after Cerberus has been brough to its knees.

i wouldn't be happy with that if bucket head tali/garrus/kaiden/ashley are there from the start. 3 out of 4 of those i don't give a rat's ass about. plus it wouldn't make any sense - even if the normandy is somehow impounded - you'd expect your LI to be there when you leave earth, especially as there is essentially no gap between arrival/end-ME2 and start of ME3.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 06 mai 2011 - 02:07 .

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If she's a cameo, I don't buy the game.

Me neither. If that's the case AFAIC Shepard died on the Collector base.

I will buy the game. But if Miranda isn't back in a significant capacity, including significant interaction and significant time as a team member, I will have learned something about emotional investment in characters in Bioware's game. Something they wouldn't want me to learn - that I should avoid that.  

[Blarty]

Jebel Krong wrote...


i wouldn't be happy with that if bucket head tali/garrus/kaiden/ashley are there from the start. 3 out of 4 of those i don't give a rat's ass about. plus it wouldn't make any sense - even if the normandy is somehow impounded - you'd expect your LI to be there when you leave earth, especially as there is essentially no gap between arrival/end-ME2 and start of ME3.

Very true, also noting that although you can do Arrival at any point, if you undertake the Arrival DLC at it's natural story point (after the Collector Base) there are no indications of break up in squad cohesion, that anyone is arguing or thinking of leaving the team.

I like Garrus, understand Tali (if from a Legion/Tali 'hey what do we do about this  Get Quarian war, eh?' standpoint), Ashley and Kaiden, I'm not personally fussed over (but that's my opinion, which will likely differ from others), I think E3 will at least reveal some more of the characters in Shepard's squad

[Blarty]

I just hope part of the three month delay is so they can ensure they get all the Voice actor's they want, into the studio.

[Ieldra]

Blarty wrote...

I just hope part of the three month delay is so they can ensure they get all the Voice actor's they want, into the studio.

It's already known the delay is to tweak the gameplay mechanics. At least that's what they say. Whether or not the real reason is different, no idea.

[PMC65]

Blarty wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...


i wouldn't be happy with that if bucket head tali/garrus/kaiden/ashley are there from the start. 3 out of 4 of those i don't give a rat's ass about. plus it wouldn't make any sense - even if the normandy is somehow impounded - you'd expect your LI to be there when you leave earth, especially as there is essentially no gap between arrival/end-ME2 and start of ME3.

Very true, also noting that although you can do Arrival at any point, if you undertake the Arrival DLC at it's natural story point (after the Collector Base) there are no indications of break up in squad cohesion, that anyone is arguing or thinking of leaving the team.

I like Garrus, understand Tali (if from a Legion/Tali 'hey what do we do about this  Get Quarian war, eh?' standpoint), Ashley and Kaiden, I'm not personally fussed over (but that's my opinion, which will likely differ from others), I think E3 will at least reveal some more of the characters in Shepard's squad

I am looking forward to how they place Miranda in the game whether you have her as an LI or not. She knows both TIM & Cerberus better than any other character around you, so I can see her as a very important ally. Fingers crossed! 

What will be weird is having the Normandy back and her not in her cabin, Dr. Chakwas not being in the med bay, Samara not meditating in front of the stars, etc. But I also missed seeing Wrex gaurding the lockers, Kaiden fiddling with that .... er, whatever that was, Ash checking the  ..... well you get the picture.  

In regards to Ash/Kaiden, I won't begrudge them being there throughout ME3 ... Anyone who romanced either one of them in ME1 got the shortest stick in ME2 and it was given upside their head.

Bioware has a massive challenge dealing with all the possibilities but it was they themselves that set all the possible choices into place ... I am hopeful that they will do their best to tie it all up in a pretty little bow. Once again, fingers crossed!

[MisterJB]

I'm wondering if killing everyone but Miranda and someone else won't increase her chances of being a squadmate.
It's worth the shot.

[naledgeborn]

MisterJB wrote...

I'm wondering if killing everyone but Miranda and someone else won't increase her chances of being a squadmate.
It's worth the shot.

I don't think so. She's going to be an important part of the narrative, squad mate or not. Killing people off to shoe in another character as a squaddie is not likely one of the mechanics they're tweaking. Now that would, involve too many variables. Worth a try though. I'd do it for fun.. 

[ViperVenom117]

Hey guys got some news that any love interest you had will be a squad mate in ME3

(There's a pretty decent spoiler there at the end but theres plenty of warning)

http://masseffectclu.../blog/40384205/