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[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I did that too on my second run just to see what would happen.
After the SM mission I could still call Miranda up to my cabin as well as get the same talk about "being interested in her" where you could break it off if you wanted to.

I thought this was old news though? Really, you guys never tried that option just to see what would happen? Heh.

I know what happens in ME2. It's the continuation into ME3 I'm worried about, so I always replayed those games where I didn't meet with Miranda in the engine room. 

Edit:
Actually no, I didn't try that ever. I didn't ever play the SM with a romanced Miranda and without the engine room scene. Very interesting

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mai 2011 - 01:05 .

[Collider]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
For those of you who don't like the engine room scene,, I just found out something really nifty from Collider. Turning Miranda down during the romance scene does not break the romance.

Niice.
If that's confirmed, I'll need to replay a few of my Shepards (*groan* - all the DLCs again). How does he know?

Because I tested it.
You can invite Miranda to your cabin and you get the loop romance dialog from her even if you reject her at the romance scene.

[Prudii Aden]

I've just run through it as well - she comments on you always being focused on the mission. However, you still can snuggle after the collector base is done with.

[jtav]

I can do the romance with a straight face now, since the thrice-damned engine room scene was always my main objection.

[Jebel Krong]

wtf is the point of having the romance without having the romance?!  that's like masturbation without the pay-off. 

the romance (in fact all the content as it's not a "life simulator") is so abbreviated anyway, the engine room scene - whether you like it or not - is integral to the experience.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 08 mai 2011 - 03:39 .

[jtav]

Because I hate that love scene to the point that it derails the whole thing. So if I can romance her without it, I'm taking advantage.

[MisterJB]

Comparing the courtship of Miranda to masturbation? I expected more of you, Jebel.
Perhaps there are some people who would prefer not having sex while the threat of Humanity's extinction hover above their heads? Or maybe some Shepards would prefer to not do it in the same place where their friends were kidnapped?

Anyway, I wonder if ME3 will acknowledge it. Say, what if you slept with Liara/Ashley but didn't do so with Miranda?

"So much for "the mission comes first.""

[jtav]

Assuming it ports as an active romance for Miranda, I think the game will treat you as having slept with her, just like the game treats you as having slept with the ME1 LI before Ilos if you sent them away.

[Jebel Krong]

MisterJB wrote...

Comparing the courtship of Miranda to masturbation? I expected more of you, Jebel.
Perhaps there are some people who would prefer not having sex while the threat of Humanity's extinction hover above their heads? Or maybe some Shepards would prefer to not do it in the same place where their friends were kidnapped?

Anyway, I wonder if ME3 will acknowledge it. Say, what if you slept with Liara/Ashley but didn't do so with Miranda?

"So much for "the mission comes first.""

haha not comparison, just a suitable metaphor really. tbh that's probably the best time to have sex: release tension, free the mind, clear the conscience and all that - something similar is alluded to that in the game, if i recall. yes your friends were kidnapped but again - time is abbreviated (it's not like you do it 5 minutes later) ingame, as i already stated. even in the face of galactic or even personal threats, life still goes on, moment to moment.

i still think the engine room scene is awesome anyway, so i don't care one way or another about this workaround, but i doubt it's deliberate - probably a logic bug.

[MisterJB]

But I agree. I tought that Miranda's romance scene was very well done, even better than (and please don't kill me) the ones in ME1.
Still, I can understand why some people do not appreciate it, that's all.

[naledgeborn]

I don't know. On a primal level yes, the Engine Room is awesome. But after thinking about it, it really cheapens the Miranda romance. Kasumi even pokes fun. And Miranda does seem impressed when you turn her down. I'm kind of torn on it.

It makes sense to embark on the Suicide Mission clear headed when you're calling the shots. Without the taint of metagaming involved, I see it as Shepard putting aside his feelings temporarily so that they wouldn't in turn compromise the mission. If Shepard were stuck in a "save Miranda or the rest of the team" situation it'd be more difficult to make that decision if "engine room" scene takes place.

[jtav]

It's a tonal disaster.They're flirting and playful, and I don't get the sense that they're faking it. One of the nice things about the ME1 love scene is that it doesn't let you forget what you're going to do in a few hours. No such luck with ME2. Shepard and Miranda come off as thoughtless teens.

It's worth noting that Garrus and Jack don't have this workaround.

[Jebel Krong]

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't know. On a primal level yes, the Engine Room is awesome. But after thinking about it, it really cheapens the Miranda romance. Kasumi even pokes fun. And Miranda does seem impressed when you turn her down. I'm kind of torn on it.

It makes sense to embark on the Suicide Mission clear headed when you're calling the shots. Without the taint of metagaming involved, I see it as Shepard putting aside his feelings temporarily so that they wouldn't in turn compromise the mission. If Shepard were stuck in a "save Miranda or the rest of the team" situation it'd be more difficult to make that decision if "engine room" scene takes place.

or, look at it another way: it gives you something extra to fight for and come out sucessful.

[MisterJB]

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't know. On a primal level yes, the Engine Room is awesome. But after thinking about it, it really cheapens the Miranda romance. Kasumi even pokes fun.

I tougth that the location was one of the things that made it special. It's pure Fridge Brilliance when it actually hits you: "why the Engine Room?" Because it's the one place in the Normandy where they could have some privacy and, if we remember that chances are no one in Cerberus cares who Shepard sleeps with, that shows how much Shepard matters to Miranda,

And Miranda does seem impressed when you turn her down. I'm kind of torn on it. 

I simply couldn't say "No" to Miranda, at least in my canon playthrough. Sure, we know we're coming back and there'll be plent of opportunity afterwards. Miranda didn't know that, she honestly tought everyone was going to die and I can't stomach the tought of Shepard refusing to be intimate with her when it could very well be the only chance they have.

jtav wrote...
It's a tonal disaster.They're flirting and playful, and I don't get the sense that they're faking it. One of the nice things about the ME1 love scene is that it doesn't let you forget what you're going to do in a few hours.

What's the point of having sex before the Suicide Mission if not to enjoy each other and forget that they could be dead in a few hours?

jtav wrote...

It's worth noting that Garrus and Jack don't have this workaround.

Because Garrus is from a different species and Jack is an emotional train wreck.
Miranda's main concern was that Shepard migth die or their relationship could affect the mission. Well, there's nothing she can do about it before they go through the Omega 4 Relay, is there? Then why not have some fun?

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 mai 2011 - 05:00 .

[Vertigo_1]

You know this is where I wish we could have gotten that extra post SM romance content Tali and Jacob got for Miranda...maybe one of the questions could have been "Why the Engine room?"

[Vertigo_1]

From the UK OXM June 2011 Magazine on ME3

"Bioware are going to announce something big at E3 - a lot of the gameplay features and more squadmates."
LINK

Cross those fingers people!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 08 mai 2011 - 05:34 .

[jtav]

Well, we can hope. And E3's on my birthday! This is either going to be the best or worst one ever.

Modifié par jtav, 08 mai 2011 - 05:43 .

[Vertigo_1]

June 7-9

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 08 mai 2011 - 05:42 .

[MisterJB]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Cross those fingers people!

I'm already preparing my best goat for the sacrifice.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 mai 2011 - 05:52 .

[xelander]

Guys, if I could trouble you for a quick survey...

I'm remaking my canon "Miranda" Shepard (have one for Ash too - they are two of the best characters IMO). I was wondering whether you pick a LI in ME1, who, if it is Ash do you leave her on Virmire and why for all of the above.

My idea so far is to romance Ash (as I most often do) and then have to leave her behind on Virmire; work in a heavy emotional angle as it were. I'll probably end up using one of my various Infiltrator builds, which are based off of an Ash romance, just to explore what happens when the two LI collide, but for MIri I'm going with an Engineer.

Which reminds me, which class do you think suits best Miranda, storywise, not gameplay-wise?

[naledgeborn]

xelander wrote...

Guys, if I could trouble you for a quick survey...

I'm remaking my canon "Miranda" Shepard (have one for Ash too - they are two of the best characters IMO). I was wondering whether you pick a LI in ME1, who, if it is Ash do you leave her on Virmire and why for all of the above.

My idea so far is to romance Ash (as I most often do) and then have to leave her behind on Virmire; work in a heavy emotional angle as it were. I'll probably end up using one of my various Infiltrator builds, which are based off of an Ash romance, just to explore what happens when the two LI collide, but for MIri I'm going with an Engineer.

Which reminds me, which class do you think suits best Miranda, storywise, not gameplay-wise?

For Miranda an Earthborn background. They would both be pro-Human and that's something she takes seriously. And in my mind only classes that fit the Earthborn mindset are the Soldier and Vanguard.

Ashley doesn't matter as long as it's the Spacer background (I rolled a Sentinel for the Ash romance).

[goofyomnivore]

*crosses fingers for good Miranda news*

(As for the Romance) I wonder if it is a bug or intended. I hope it is intended, because I didn't like the engine rooom either. I understand why she picked it, but the scene is pretty bad IMO. Gonna try turning her down to see the dialogue and such.

xelander wrote...

Guys, if I could trouble you for a quick survey...

I'm
remaking my canon "Miranda" Shepard (have one for Ash too - they are
two of the best characters IMO). I was wondering whether you pick a LI
in ME1, who, if it is Ash do you leave her on Virmire and why for all of
the above.

My idea so far is to romance Ash (as I most often do)
and then have to leave her behind on Virmire; work in a heavy emotional
angle as it were. I'll probably end up using one of my various
Infiltrator builds, which are based off of an Ash romance, just to
explore what happens when the two LI collide, but for MIri I'm going
with an Engineer.

Which reminds me, which class do you think suits best Miranda, storywise, not gameplay-wise?

I
don't pick a ME1 LI. It wouldn't fit my personality of how I play my
Shepards to dump/cheat/whatever Ash/Liara for Miranda. I don't care for
the angst of having my LI die on Virmie either. YMMV.

As for her class? I think Sentinel is perfect for her.

Modifié par strive, 08 mai 2011 - 09:20 .

[MisterJB]

xelander wrote...

Guys, if I could trouble you for a quick survey...

I'm remaking my canon "Miranda" Shepard (have one for Ash too - they are two of the best characters IMO). I was wondering whether you pick a LI in ME1, who, if it is Ash do you leave her on Virmire and why for all of the above.

I assume you are asking us about our Canon Shepard, rigth? Well, my Canon Shepard didn't romance anyone in ME1 due to how I roleplay him, the abuse he suffered at the hands of Batarian Slavers after the attack on Mindoir left him with a single minded determination to improve the Galaxy in any way he could which didn't leave much room for anything else until Miranda came along. I think the Colonist background fits the Miranda romance very well, Shepard is thankful to the Alliance for rescuing him but he also realizes that they can't be everywhere at once so, working with Cerberus doesn't bother him much.

I left Ashley on Virmire simply because I think Kaidan still has a lot of raw potential and his death would serve no purpose while Ashley's sacrifice helps clear her family name.

Which reminds me, which class do you think suits best Miranda, storywise, not gameplay-wise?

Do you mean Miranda's or Shepard's class? Sentinel fits Miranda, I think.
If you are asking about Shepard...one of the things that makes Miranda admire Shepard is how normal he actually is so, in order to make him as normal as possible, I always choose the Soldier class. Engineer and Infiltrator should work too, tough.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
If you are asking about Shepard...one of the things that makes Miranda admire Shepard is how normal he actually is so, in order to make him as normal as possible, I always choose the Soldier class. Engineer and Infiltrator should work too, tough.

Actually, no, Miranda does explicitly appreciate that Shepard is "practically a perfect human specimen". She'll not go for the normal, regardless of how much she appears to envy Oriana her normal life.

As for backgrounds, any background can work if you don't assume a stereotypical interpretation. An Earthborn background will work if he's grown beyond doing things in the style of a street kid, that "angry Renegade" so to speak, a Colonist background works as long as you don't interpret him as some kind of country bumpkin, and a Spacer background works if you don't put too much Paragon into it, and those are just a few of many possibilities.

It's the same for the classes. It all depends on the interpretation. My "main" Shepard is an Earthborn Engineer, but that's just my interpretation of a Shepard with a background in intelligence, science and covert operations. But other Shepards can attract Miranda exactly because they're doing different things.

The only requirement I can see that expresses itself in the way you play is that your Shepard shouldn't be an extreme Paragon or Renegade. And of course you should avoid stupid dialogue options, as hard as that can be with ME2's Shepard at times. For instance, upbraiding Mordin for the genophage on his loyalty mission will earn you Miranda's contempt.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[jtav]

Matthias has a prior relationship with Liara. He loves them both and would go for a threesome option faster than they could get the words out if that were an option. Less RP and more metagaming. He's a Vanguard Colonist War Hero but I don't pit a lot of thought into him because hic fic version is the real one to me, and he met Miranda years ago. She's the one who trained him and was the first great love of his life.