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[goofyomnivore]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually, no, Miranda does explicitly appreciate that Shepard is "practically a perfect human specimen". She'll not go for the normal, regardless of how much she appears to envy Oriana her normal life.

As for backgrounds, any background can work if you don't assume a stereotypical interpretation. An Earthborn background will work if he's grown beyond doing things in the style of a street kid, that "angry Renegade" so to speak, a Colonist background works as long as you don't interpret him as some kind of country bumpkin, and a Spacer background works if you don't put too much Paragon into it, and those are just a few of many possibilities.

It's the same for the classes. It all depends on the interpretation. My "main" Shepard is an Earthborn Engineer, but that's just my interpretation of a Shepard with a background in intelligence, science and covert operations. But other Shepards can attract Miranda exactly because they're doing different things.

The only requirement I can see that expresses itself in the way you play is that your Shepard shouldn't be an extreme Paragon or Renegade. And of course you should avoid stupid dialogue options, as hard as that can be with ME2's Shepard at times. For instance, upbraiding Mordin for the genophage on his loyalty mission will earn you Miranda's contempt.

+1

Would like to add that the Sole Survivor background adds a unique layer to the romance that would be hard to replicate with other romances or psychological profiles.

Modifié par strive, 08 mai 2011 - 10:18 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Actually, no, Miranda does explicitly appreciate that Shepard is "practically a perfect human specimen". She'll not go for the normal, regardless of how much she appears to envy Oriana her normal life.

Perhaps I used the wrong words. I did not mean to imply that Miranda was looking for a regular, everyday guy. Only that one of the things that seem to attract her to Shepard (and makes her jealous of him) is how..."natural" he is, no one engineered him for greatness, he just...is.
Biotics are not natural, at least in humans. Not saying that Miranda couldn't fall for a Biotc Shepard, only that I prefer to keep Shepard as genetically normal as possible.

strive wrote...
Would like to add that the Sole Survivor background adds a unique layer to the romance that would be hard to replicate with other romances or psychological profiles.

I would agree if it was at least mentioned.
"sigh" Maybe in ME3. The friction that could cause if Miranda was, somehow, inadvertly responsible for Akuze.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 mai 2011 - 10:29 .

[goofyomnivore]

Heh well I was implying head canon or fan fiction, sort of stuff , but yeah Akuze's treatment in ME2 is shameful.

[jtav]

Try as I might, any scenario I dream up in which Miranda is even unknowingly involved with Akuze ends with Shepard hating her. And the time for friction is before she leaves Cerberus, not after.

I'm mulling over a subplot in my story where Miranda's mission forces her into semi-regular contact with the doctor responsible for giving her biotics. Miranda was wired with L2s and suffers side effects about as bad as Kaidan's. The doctor doesn't recognize her, and believes "Christine Eldfell". to be dead. She's genuinely remorseful for her actions. I'm trying to get a sense for how Miranda should behave. The story takes place in 2170. The operation was in 2158.

Modifié par jtav, 08 mai 2011 - 11:37 .

[naledgeborn]

In my head canon Shepard and Toombs were the only "super soldiers" from their unit to survive the experiments of Project Achilles conducted Akuze's Cerberus facility. Shepard being the more successful test subject was "released" back into Alliance custody none the wiser (dissociative amnesia). Toombs was kept for further testing. "Project Achilles" is directly related to the success of Project Lazarus.

After Shepard "died" TIM gave Miranda the necessary clearance to a filtered version of Project Achilles files as a starting point for Lazarus.

[Mufasa92]

Just want a quick opinion

Is it more fun to romance Miranda as a Paragon or a Renegade?
I heard some of the Renegade options are a bit more interesting but I just want your take on it.

[atheelogos]

So Ashley and Kaidan have been touched up. Do you guys think Miranda should get the same treatment or do you think her ME2 model is fine as is?

[Scottaud]

She needs to get a different hairstyle.
Also, she needs armor, I mean come ON one shot could kill her.:crying:

Modifié par Scottaud, 09 mai 2011 - 03:03 .

[AresXX7]

atheelogos wrote...

So Ashley and Kaidan have been touched up. Do you guys think Miranda should get the same treatment or do you think her ME2 model is fine as is?

The only "improvement(s)" I'd like to see, involves a closer rendering of her real life model-YS.
I'm referring to the jawline & mouth area.

[atheelogos]

AriesXX7 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

So Ashley and Kaidan have been touched up. Do you guys think Miranda should get the same treatment or do you think her ME2 model is fine as is?

The only "improvement(s)" I'd like to see, involves a closer rendering of her real life model-YS.
I'm referring to the jawline & mouth area.

My thoughts exactly.

[atheelogos]

Scottaud wrote...

She needs to get a different hairstyle.
Also, she needs armor, I mean come ON one shot could kill her.:crying:

Armor yes. As for the hair I would like to see her and all the females have two different sets. One for combat and one thats casual for the Normandy.

[Td1984]

AriesXX7 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

So Ashley and Kaidan have been touched up. Do you guys think Miranda should get the same treatment or do you think her ME2 model is fine as is?

The only "improvement(s)" I'd like to see, involves a closer rendering of her real life model-YS.
I'm referring to the jawline & mouth area.

This

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Actually, no, Miranda does explicitly appreciate that Shepard is "practically a perfect human specimen". She'll not go for the normal, regardless of how much she appears to envy Oriana her normal life.

Perhaps I used the wrong words. I did not mean to imply that Miranda was looking for a regular, everyday guy. Only that one of the things that seem to attract her to Shepard (and makes her jealous of him) is how..."natural" he is, no one engineered him for greatness, he just...is.

That's a pretty ironic statement considering that Miranda herself brought him back to life full of cybernetic enhancements....

Biotics are not natural, at least in humans. Not saying that Miranda couldn't fall for a Biotc Shepard, only that I prefer to keep Shepard as genetically normal as possible.

Taken from Miranda's statement, there can be no question he's already exceptional. The difference is that there is nothing *intentionally* exceptional in him. As for biotics, the main genetic component here may be the ability to survive eezo exposure. How many have that? One in a hundred? That would mean there are 100 milllon humans on Earth with the genetic predisposition to become biotics. Not that unusual.

There's no arguing with preferences, but just for the record: I come from the opposite viewpoint. From a transhumanist's viewpoint there is no particular virtue in leaving genes to the vagaries of a random process, except for the reason of maintaining diversity. And once the human population has branched out to settle widely varying ecospheres, diversity will be enhanced by that fact alone in the long term, beyond anything any Earth-based system of rules, customs and laws could ever do.

You could, of course, ask why I care whether my Shepard is genetically exceptional, if genetic engineering could remove any flaws in the first place? Why would I care if Shepard's main heroic trait - his stubborn determination in the face of impossible odds - is likely one genes can't account for? The answer is that I really don't care much at all. The thing I do care about is people getting out of thinking that the normal has virtue just by being normal, the natural has virtue just by being natural and the result of a random process. So my main Shepard - who is not of a biotic class gameplay-wise for reasons totally unrelated to Miranda - embodies that challenge and I imagine him as a latent biotic nontheless. He just hasn't got the training. 

[Ieldra]

Mufasa92 wrote...
Just want a quick opinion

Is it more fun to romance Miranda as a Paragon or a Renegade?
I heard some of the Renegade options are a bit more interesting but I just want your take on it.

Do you mean "take the Paragon/Renegade options in her romance" or "be a committed Paragon/Renegade in general"?

As I've said above, Miranda wouldn't be interested in the extremes. The extreme Paragon is too naive and the extreme Renegade too much of a jerk. As for the lower/upper options in the romance talks, they both have their upsides and downsides. With the lower options you get the kiss and Miranda's incomparable "And stop smiling, damn it", with the upper options you get "You give your father too much credit...." among other things.

Personally, I prefer the lower options because here Shepard challenges Miranda. I've always found that the lower options challenge Miranda to find her own strength in dealing with her past as well as the emotional entanglements of the romance, while the upper options offer to be her strength. Paragon Shepard comes across as talking from up high even more than Renegade Shepard. She doesn't need to be told, primarily, that she gives her father too much credit, she needs to find that truth on her own, though a little goading by Shepard might help. And in the promise/no promise scene I think "no promises" is the only honest answer.  

[Ieldra]

atheelogos wrote...
So Ashley and Kaidan have been touched up. Do you guys think Miranda should get the same treatment or do you think her ME2 model is fine as is?

I think her jawline should be corrected, and whatever it was that made her go off into the Uncanny Valley at times. They could do worse than taking inspiration from the current thread title picture:


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As for armor, as everyone she needs something that leaves no exposed skin for space missions, and something that looks as if it could offer some protection. In a general sense I don't mind a spy catsuit, even for combat, but it should look classy and at least somewhat protective. I mind that her default outfit is *cheap* fanservice more than that it's fanservice in the first place.

[Jebel Krong]

@ Ieldra: i disagree, i think with the lighting upgrades to the engine (assuming they have actually been incorporated, which has been hinted but not confirmed) it will fix a lot of Miranda's problems from ME2. the new hair meshes - again if they've been put in - will also do wonders for hair...

as for outfits, i'd be quite happy with either from ME2, just without some of the dodgy camera angles and it's good to go.

[wright1978]

"And stop smiling, damn it"

Love that line and that whole scene. Really enjoying my current renegade playthrough.Works better for me in ME2 than ME1 as i don't feel i have to be evil to do so.

[Jebel Krong]

cr: demidevil13

@wright1978 - that's a great moment/scene and that line is killer perfect

[xelander]

Thanks for the input guys. I was going for a War Hero Colonist, but now I'm seriously considering Sole Survivor. But if, as you say, there is no follow up on the Akuze incident in ME2, that'd suck (aside from that Toombs email).

I picked up the Engineer class, because I play it in my head as a guy who has the analytical/scientific thinking down (and can share in this part of Miri's life) but also knows its limitations and tries to think outside the box too, to break preconceptions (which is in part what makes him an exceptional warrior). He understands that science is about precise rules, but command and war is about people.

I do a mixed Paragade romance with Miranda, cause I usually like the "kinder" Paragon lines in her other conversations, but sometimes you've got to keep it light and fun, and with Renegade you get to tease her about being jealous and then the kiss of course, and there's also the hug in the next conversation. I find the romance much more believable/organic/natural/w/e this way.

On the armor/hairstyle issue, I'd be happy if we get armor(real armor, not one that leaves half the skin exposed) for the missions and separate outfits/uniforms for Normandy. And the women should get a different hairstyle too, for example Ash would have the bun for missions and the GI hair for Normandy.

As for the jawline, I think the problem is more in the cheekbones and the cheek gaunt. If you look at Yvonne in Chuck scenes (easy to find it on youtube), she does have a strong jawline but her face is more round as a whole. In ME2, the lines (or rather the shades) starting from the middle/upper part of her nose and delineating her cheekbones are made much worse by the lighting and when coupled with a too deep cheek gaunt, it makes her face somewhat square-ish (and not in the nice way in which Samara's is). So I have hope that she'll look better in ME3, even if they keep the cheekbones as pronounced and work on the lighting only.

Modifié par xelander, 09 mai 2011 - 11:08 .

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
@ Ieldra: i disagree, i think with the lighting upgrades to the engine (assuming they have actually been incorporated, which has been hinted but not confirmed) it will fix a lot of Miranda's problems from ME2. the new hair meshes - again if they've been put in - will also do wonders for hair...

Oh, I don't think Miranda *needs* a complete revamp. I say correct the jawline and the lighting and things will be OK. But they really have to decide what they want. Yvonne Strahovski looks striking and I like how she looks, but she hasn't got the kind of face I would associate with "engineered to look extremely attractive to the maximum number of people". So that will either be always an informed trait, or they must go a little into the direction of that quoted picture when redesigning her, which would reduce the similarity to Strahovski.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 mai 2011 - 12:21 .

[wright1978]

I can't see them messing about too much with Miranda's look. I certainly wouldn't be happy if they did as it would disrupt my playing experience to find one of my favourite characters has been out having major plastic surgery on the verge of the reaper invasion. Personally think Yvonne is gorgeous and her features really suit the character.

[Arijharn]

Much apologies MisterJB in my tardiness in getting back to you. The truth is I purposely take breaks from this site every so often just to come back to it and feel 'refreshed' if that's the word. I feel like a lot of people who I argue with on this board tend to muddy up a sense of priorities and argue their point urgently (although not you, you're very relaxed, which is what the forums should have more of, unfortunately I don't think I'm one of these people which is probably half my problem )

MisterJB wrote...
Perhaps it's simply my personal moral code that prevents me from ever giving TIM reason in this. Still, I can see what you are trying to say

Cheers, I can see what you're saying too. I think TIM trusts Shephard to the same degree Shephard trusts TIM (and this means all Shephard's, whether Paragon or Renegade). They are hesitant bed-fellows imo, understanding the need for each other and their respective roles, but other than that not much else. My point being is that I think TIM trusts Shephard to do his job and trusts in his skill (and probably just a little too much imo), but might not necessarily trust the capabilities of Shephard's team. I'm unsure how Miranda fits into this; obviously she's important to Cerberus (and most likely of far more importance to Cerberus than Shephard himself) but I guess that she's also just as 'expendable' as anyone else. The crazy thing is, I don't think Miranda disagrees with this either, if only because it lets her know where 'she stands.'

MisterJB wrote...
Actually, Miranda used herself and Shepard as bait to divert attention away from Kinet. Then he turned out to be an untrustworthy, backstabing piece of... sorry, I really hate that guy.

I know that's how it worked out, but that still doesn't mean something else could have happened. I admit, I was going on a thereotical tangent, but in any case, Miranda risked something to get somethign out of it. In this, she risked herself and Shephard for her sister, but... I don't think she had the right to just say 'Right Shephard we're doing it this way.'

Disregarding of course that Shephard is the Alpha male and can do anything he damn well wishes, including single-handedly slaughtering armies.
 

MisterJB wrote...
Well, if in the year 2183 humanity's progress is still being halted by religious beliefs, I say that Cerberus has more immediate concerns than any threat coming from beyond the Charon Relay.

Lol. Now on that issue we're in absolute agreement I think.

MisterJB wrote...
Now, at this point, TIM was convinced that Horizon would be attacked by the Collectors due to the presence of the Virmire Survivor and there are many things that could have been done to actually set up a real trap and minimize the loss of human lifes. Waning Shepard, for example. That way, he would already be on Horizon or at least in the same system when the Collectors arrived. Granted, it may have taken a few days before they showed up but still...

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but I'm saying that warning Shephard ahead of schedule isn't going to make the colony any safer, because Shephard should already be doing his due process in saving it as much as he can. 

Warning or even physically arming the civilians somehow isn't going to make them proof against Seeker swarms for example.

How is warning Shephard going to get him to go to Horizon any faster? It's still the same finite journey and truth to be told, until Horizon actually has the Collector's arrive, Horizon in itself isn't that important, at least not compared to the over-arching mission. The mission that could see Shephard doing something else and putting more pieces of the puzzle into place. Going to Horizon pre-emptively I think could be disastrous in the sense of 'showing your hand' before your ready.

MisterJB wrote...
I don't think so, and that's really my main point. No matter how much Miranda rationalized that Teltin was rogue, it had to have raised some doubts in her mind regarding Cerberus and TIM.

Maybe. Cerberus was however her safety blanket for the majority of her life though. It gave her 'meaning' and 'purpose.' The issue though is that if Teltin was wholly rogue by the methods they used, then it probably wouldn't Miranda for the reason that it wasn't really 'Cerberus.' It was 'rogue cell #340580968.' I don't think that's the same thing necessarily.

[jtav]

How do you guys feel about giving Miranda another medical problem in a story? I'd like to give her chronic pain issues stemming from her bionics as part of the prequel AU that I'm working on, both as a power limiter and to give her and Shepard something to bond over because they both have triggers they have to avoid ( he suffers from PTSD, she has certain things that can cause a flareup). On the one hand, she already has the infertility. On the other, there are only so many ways to make that relevant, and none of them tie into what I want to do.

[Jebel Krong]

meh i don't think anyone needs more angst, jtav. tbh i'd prefer the just drop the infertility thing for the game, too.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
meh i don't think anyone needs more angst, jtav. tbh i'd prefer the just drop the infertility thing for the game, too.

I concur. They'll have to deal with it one way or the other now that the can of worms is opened, but I wouldn't mind if they removed it or made it irrevelant in an offhand manner, as cheap as that may be story-wise.

I'd also focus on her existing problems instead of giving her more of them, and to hell with anyone who says that isn't enough. She didn't need the infertility, she doesn't need any permanent medical condition at all. And btw, any such condition would run the danger of invalidating her character concept.

I guess that's not what you wanted to hear, jtav, but I think I've made myself clear on this point repeatedly, and I don't feel like being diplomatic about it any more.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 mai 2011 - 03:11 .