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[Prudii Aden]

I'm of the opinion that you can have too much angst. Saddling Miranda with more problems doesn't make sense to me. She's already got enough to deal with, without additional problems. That being said, it's your story.

[naledgeborn]

Mass Effect 3 Improved Gameplay Mechanics. Miranda. What do you want to see?

[Axestone]

Mass Effect 3 Improved Gameplay Mechanics. Miranda. What do you want to see?

Even better? But she and so perfect. If the only treatment... I think, you know what I mean.

Update: I changed my mind. I do not like it ... uh ... sirloin looked in a white casual suit. In my opinion, looks vulgar.

Modifié par Axestone, 09 mai 2011 - 04:50 .

[Caihn]

Jebel Krong wrote...

i think with the lighting upgrades to the engine (assuming they have actually been incorporated, which has been hinted but not confirmed) it will fix a lot of Miranda's problems from ME2. the new hair meshes - again if they've been put in - will also do wonders for hair...

as for outfits, i'd be quite happy with either from ME2, just without some of the dodgy camera angles and it's good to go.

I agree.

To me, her jawline doesn't need to be corrected.
The main problems are the engine limitation, the shadow effects, and the bump mapping textures.
Let's hope the engine enhancements in ME3 will correct most of these problems, even if I already find Miranda's face beautiful.

I've also used 3dsmax to compare the 3d model of Miranda with various pictures of Yvonne : some angles should have been soften, but the 3d capture/modeling is accurate.


btw, this fanart is directly inspired by a photo of Yvonne.

[Ieldra]

I must admit I didn't expect that. So getting Miranda's in-game appearance closer to that fan art - which is what I would wish - would not be inappropriate....

It's my favorite Miranda fan art, but her ME2 incarnation doesn't look a lot like that. Most of the time anyway, except in certain dialogue scenes. I do think her jawline is off in ME2, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong in that. Especially if Miranda looks like this in ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 mai 2011 - 05:11 .

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...
Mass Effect 3 Improved Gameplay Mechanics. Miranda. What do you want to see?

I'd like to be able to give Miranda a different weapon than an SMG. She has always appeared as a precision shooter to me, not the bullet-spraying kind.

Apart from that, gameplay can be as it wishes, but I want to see some awesome cutscenes with her. In ME2, Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs, Miranda.....threw an asari commando. A bit of a discrepancy that doesn't do her justice. Also we haven't seen a scene combining biotics and tech powers, or even biotics and conventional firepower. That would be ideal for her.

[naledgeborn]

Sniper/SMG Miranda would be awesome. I'd also like her to able to use Cryoblast if it returns. It fits the "ice queen" vibe she enjoys giving off.

And a cutscene showing her shoot a mech's head off at 100 yards followed up by a Heavy Slam wouldn't hurt either.

[Vertigo_1]

Depends on what she is wearing...
With the catsuit I find Pistol/SMG fitting well


But my favorite is with the AAP2 armor she gets:
Sniper/Assault Rifle configuration; that seems to fit her best:



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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 09 mai 2011 - 07:31 .

[Jebel Krong]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Depends on what she is wearing...
With the catsuit I find Pistol/SMG fitting well


But my favorite is with the AAP2 armor she gets:
Sniper/Assault Rifle configuration; that seems to fit her best:

to use a meme: look at those sharp knees, i would not hit that! (i hate that armour)

[naledgeborn]

Yeah if they give Miranda armor in ME3 I want it to be a "light" version of Fem Sheps. Modular and curved not like the squared off Cerberus Armor. I like the idea of Miranda wearing armor into combat but I'm not a huge fan of the armor itself.

[jtav]

Modified AAP, with no visor or Cerberus logo would be great.

[Vertigo_1]

From the Executive Producer himself:


On Romances:



On squadmate 'attire':

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 10 mai 2011 - 01:03 .

[Collider]

For those interested - Here's the Miranda romance scene "rejection":

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Jtav, there's something called overkill. Adding chronic pain is doing it. Also, angst is nice, but too much is stifling and...well, terrible to say the least. Give poor Miri something to be happy about already.

@JebelKrong
I totally agree with you. The infertility should just be dropped(ie cured).

[Arijharn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...
Mass Effect 3 Improved Gameplay Mechanics. Miranda. What do you want to see?

I'd like to be able to give Miranda a different weapon than an SMG. She has always appeared as a precision shooter to me, not the bullet-spraying kind.

Apart from that, gameplay can be as it wishes, but I want to see some awesome cutscenes with her. In ME2, Jack destroyed three YMIR mechs, Miranda.....threw an asari commando. A bit of a discrepancy that doesn't do her justice. Also we haven't seen a scene combining biotics and tech powers, or even biotics and conventional firepower. That would be ideal for her.

The only weapons I don't want to see Miranda wield is a shotgun (because, I just think the idea of the shotgun is sorta the antithesis of her as a character. I think Miranda is a bit of a subtle person for some reason, and well, if there's one thing a shotgun isn't; it's subtle).

I'd like to see more variance in biotic/tech capabilities too if only because I think just the two/three that they used in ME2 was thoroughly disappointing compared to the mass of options they used in the first game. Maybe she should start to use Stasis?

[jtav]

I really really don't want her cured. Let her adopt or create a child the way she was created. There are too many ways to screw up a cure.

[Arijharn]

jtav wrote...

I really really don't want her cured. Let her adopt or create a child the way she was created. There are too many ways to screw up a cure.

That's more than just a bit pessimistic imo. Especially in a universe where with a bit of ingenuity they seem to be able to cure death of all things.

[jtav]

I hate the infertility. It's a stock sympathy card that has nothing to do with anything. They aren't interesting in engaging with it. A cure could be even more insulting if it's played for a cheap feel-good moment and nothing more.

I'm ignoring the infertility in my current story. I figure the best I can do is not mention it. But I am keeping the chronic illness.

[TMA LIVE]

I don't think it has nothing to do with anything. I think it adds to the fact that she'll never truly be normal. Or even further from being human. She could never pass on her genes and have a real family that wasn't or can't be created with a machine. And it makes her imperfect, because she's futureless to anyone who'd want a future with her beyond simply love. It makes her even more exclusive and alone. And perfection is useless if it only lasts one generation.

This alone would be psychologically troubling for her, and issues she'd need to discuss with Shepard.

Miranda is also the type of person who hates what her father did. She hates that her looks are the way they are because it's what her father wanted. That she's intelligent because of her father. Even the biotics. He paid for them, and had her customized to his liking. And now, one of her options is just to do the same thing?

There's a lot of things to connect it with.

[naledgeborn]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Miranda is also the type of person who hates what her father did. She hates that her looks are the way they are because it's what her father wanted. That she's intelligent because of her father. Even the biotics. He paid for them, and had her customized to his liking. And now, one of her options is just to do the same thing?

Good point. I hate when people say "infertility shouldn't be an issue for her. She can have a baby the same way she was created." It makes me wonder if those same people did her LM. And if they did well then......

[SuperistSquirrel]

I like the infertility issue. But I don't think she should create a child the way she was created.

[atheelogos]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

@JebelKrong
I totally agree with you. The infertility should just be dropped(ie cured).

this. It makes no sense for the problem to exist that far into the future. I mean really they can rebuild shep from nothing, but can't cure sterility? I don't see the logic there.

[Ieldra]

naledgeborn wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
Miranda is also the type of person who hates what her father did. She hates that her looks are the way they are because it's what her father wanted. That she's intelligent because of her father. Even the biotics. He paid for them, and had her customized to his liking. And now, one of her options is just to do the same thing?

Good point. I hate when people say "infertility shouldn't be an issue for her. She can have a baby the same way she was created." It makes me wonder if those same people did her LM. And if they did well then......

Play her LM again. It's not as simple as that.

Miranda appears to appreciate her gifts, and apart from the emotional impact of their not being the result of random chance, you can't say her father gave her something undesirable. It would be easy to hate her father had he given her, say, a slave mentality (should that be possible to engineer) or even some physical marking as a sign of "ownership", but he didn't do that. He gave her everything to be a competent and independent person. Given that she is that, it really shouldn't matter that her gifts were the result of genetic engineering. Which she tacitly admits when saying:

"It's okay, Shepard. My father hurt me, but he didn't break me. As much as he tried to turn me into exactly what he wanted... I'm my own person."

Given her reaction at the later romance conversations, it appears that truth - that she is her own person - hasn't really sunk in yet, but she's on her way there. Also her phrasing - that her father wanted to turn her into what he wanted - suggests the problems are not so much the fact that she's engineered, but the aftereffects of the psychological abuse she experienced while growing up.

So I think saying that she hates what her father did is simplistic. She certainly hates that she was deprived of choices as a child, and she's certainly suspicious of his motives behind her genetic engineering, but at the same time she appreciates the advantages it gives her, and she's using her gifts to further a cause she believes in, thus proving what she says - that she is her own person, influenced but not predetermined by her genes, in that respect like everyone else.  

As for how that ties into her infertility, here's my take on it:

I dislike the infertility because I do not want her genetic legacy to be lost (unless she wants it that way). But given that we are stuck with it, the option to create her children the way she herself was created presents a dramatic opportunity. I don't say it won't be an issue - else it wouldn't be a dramatic opportunity - but doing so would be a sign that she's learned what I'd like her to learn: that it doesn't matter if you're engineered or not as long as weren't "downgraded" in the process from a normal human. It doesn't matter if you're engineered or not as long as your engineering didn't limit your ability to make your own choices. And lastly, it doesn't matter if your children are engineered if the same conditions are met, and you don't deprive them of a psychologically healthy way to grow up.

I want Miranda to make peace with her origins. Sidestepping her infertility by creating children the same way she was created would drive that point home.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 mai 2011 - 07:38 .

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

I really really don't want her cured. Let her adopt or create a child the way she was created. There are too many ways to screw up a cure.

don't want to see a cure either, they should just forget the dossiers full-stop. there's nothing wrogn with dropping a bad idea.

[Errol Dnamyx]

What dossiers?