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[Arijharn]

naledgeborn wrote...

Hope is waning. Fast.

Miranda will be in it. All the character's will be in it (including yes Jacob and mainly for the reason that someone somewhere out there romanced him). The only issue for me (and Ieldra I think) is whether it'll be Yvonne Strahovski's.

I'd like Yvonne to return because it would be nicely consisent, and because Miranda practically is Yvonne anyway (at least, in appearance). It would make sense though that BioWare would exercise an option to retain her contractual services come recording for ME3 though when she signed on the dotted line for voicing ME2.

[AresXX7]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Forums are weird tonight...I keep getting logged off for some reason...

Same here.
I think it may have to do with the maintenance they did last night.

[jtav]

She's back. They're all back one way or the other. But will she be a squaddie, temp, or cameo?

[naledgeborn]

I know she'll be in it. What has me uneasy is cameo, parttime squaddie, or fulltime squaddie? First one is a deal breaker. Second one is unsatisfying. Especially considering a couple a squaddies will be full time for all 3 games.

[MisterJB]

Arijharn wrote...
(although not you, you're very relaxed, which is what the forums should have more of,

Thank you.

I know that's how it worked out, but that still doesn't mean something else could have happened. I admit, I was going on a thereotical tangent, but in any case, Miranda risked something to get somethign out of it. In this, she risked herself and Shephard for her sister, but... I don't think she had the right to just say 'Right Shephard we're doing it this way.'

Well, first of all, it is her sister. I say she has the rigth to decide how this particular mission goes but I'm sure she would be open to suggestions from Shepard.
Second, there are two main differences between Miranda and TIM; among others, of course.
1-Miranda placed not only Shepard but also herself at risk. TIM stays hidden safely somewhere.
2-Miranda warned Shepard about what was going to happen, she specifically told him that they were going to be bait.
TIM...not so much.

How is warning Shephard going to get him to go to Horizon any faster? It's still the same finite journey

Warning Shepard beforehand would have placed him in Horizon before the Collectors.

truth to be told, until Horizon actually has the Collector's arrive, Horizon in itself isn't that important, at least not compared to the over-arching mission. The mission that could see Shephard doing something else and putting more pieces of the puzzle into place. Going to Horizon pre-emptively I think could be disastrous in the sense of 'showing your hand' before your ready.

But TIM knew beforehand that the Collectors would attack Horizon next. So, instead of putting pieces of the puzzle together, we could have set up an actual trap and strike a major blow against the Collector rigth there. And then, it was just a matter of getting the IFF from the Cruiser and continue preparing the team for the attack on the Collector Base.

Maybe. Cerberus was however her safety blanket for the majority of her life though. It gave her 'meaning' and 'purpose.'

I got the impression that what really gave Miranda a purpose was the cause, not necessarely Cerberus itself.
Still, Miranda had absolute trust on TIM, that is true.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Arijharn]

Funnily enough, I don't think I'd mind if she wasn't a squaddie, as long as she can be easily interacted with. For example; you can't take her into combat short of perhaps temp missions like say Liara in Shadow Broker but she's around on the Normandy doing scientific type things of whatever nature.

Miranda while exceedingly useful as a squadmate in ME2 seems to me as if she's too damn important to be on the front line come ME3, in which I think it's safe to say that we need more brains devoted to coming up with technological innovations to defeat the Reapers.

[Td1984]

Collider wrote...

It's hard to see much reason to be concerned that Miranda won't come back.
Miranda's popular, she's the leading female and plot critical in ME2, she's a required squad mate, she has a prolific voice actress, her writer is still on the team, she's a love interest (the main one advertised for ME2), she's on the cover, and is the least likely to die on the suicide mission. She has more bases covered than Garrus or Tali, who both came back.

This is why I'm not panicing until after E3.

[MisterJB]

Damn it, forgot to put this on the other post.

Arijharn wrote...
The crazy thing is, I don't think Miranda disagrees with this either, if only because it lets her know where 'she stands.'

I think it's a mix of "knowying where she stands" and "the mission is more important that any individual".
However, there is a difference between those and blatantly lying to one's own people thus placing them in more danger than it was necessary.

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 mai 2011 - 03:26 .

[Arijharn]

MisterJB wrote...
Well, first of all, it is her sister. I say she has the rigth to decide how this particular mission but I'm sure she would be to suggestions from Shepard.
Second, there are two main differences between Miranda and TIM; among others, of course.
1-Miranda placed not only Shepard but also herself at risk. TIM stays hidden safely somewhere.
2-Miranda warned Shepard about what was going to happen, she specifically told him that they were going to be bait.
TIM...not so much.

True, but at the end of the day she still risked Shephard's life which is what I was getting at. TIM has been feeding you information throughout the entire game, so I think it's a bit unfair to assume that's he's been doing 'nothing.'

MisterJB wrote...
Warning Shepard beforehand would have placed him in Horizon before the Collectors.

Would... or could? Shephard had other tasks to complete as well though, each important and potentially time sensitive in their own ways. 

MisterJB wrote..
But TIM knew beforehand that the Collectors would attack Horizon next. So, instead of putting pieces of the puzzle together, we could have set up an actual trap and strike a major blow against the Collector rigth there. And then, it was just a matter of getting the IFF from the Cruiser and continue preparing the team for the attack on the Collector Base.

They didn't 'know' for certain anything. They had supposition and they had theories which were only proven until after the events at Horizon. Horizon confirmed that the Collector's were proxy for the Reapers, because one of your squadmates says this (and Miranda confirms I think if she's in the party -- for example I usually take Garrus and Miranda here).

They did strike a blow against the Collectors, but they were obviously limited in the fact that they didn't know for sure what was happening besides the obvious (aka; Collector's were abducting humans). Also; the Cruiser was hovering directly above the colony. You can't tell me you'd be willing to orchestrate a strike on that cruiser because
a) They were directly above the colony. If the cruiser was destroyed, it would not only flatten the Colony, but also Shephard and his squadmates.
The issue with the IFF was probably been solved by other means (which failed, necessitating us to go get it).

Anyway, I don't think we're going to get any closer to persuading the other person into accepting our views as 'fact' on this issue, and since it doesn't have much to do with Miranda herself, it's probably as OT as what can be allowed. I'm more than okay to putting this into PM if you are (unless you want to continue here I spose )

MisterJB wrote...
I got the impression that what really gave Miranda a purpose was the cause, not necessarely Cerberus itself.
Still, Miranda had absolute trust on TIM, that is true.

Honestly, I don't see the difference. Intellectually I do, but Cerberus repeats the cause as a personal motto, so I think the two are as virtually indistinguishable from each other as Cerberus is from TIM himself. I also think that in a way Miranda projects (or projected) TIM as being some sort of surrogate fatherfigure, but I may be alone on this thought.

I'm okay with Miranda's thoughts and feelings being erroded by TIM's actions, I really am, however to me it wasn't portrayed as an actual gradual change. Her 'betrayal' at the end was just to freaking crazy to me to make any sense.

[mereck7980]

Arijharn wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Hope is waning. Fast.

Miranda will be in it. All the character's will be in it (including yes Jacob and mainly for the reason that someone somewhere out there romanced him). The only issue for me (and Ieldra I think) is whether it'll be Yvonne Strahovski's.

I'd like Yvonne to return because it would be nicely consisent, and because Miranda practically is Yvonne anyway (at least, in appearance). It would make sense though that BioWare would exercise an option to retain her contractual services come recording for ME3 though when she signed on the dotted line for voicing ME2.

Chuck has already rapped for the season and no one even knows if it will be renewed yet.  Given the fact that the game has been delayed until 2012 I don't see any reason why Yvonne couldn't reprise her role in ME3.  Just for the record there is NO Miranda without Yvonne Strahovski providing her voice/likeness.

Also, if BW doesn't at least include her as a parttime squadmember I will be pretty pissed off.  She had a critical role in ME2 and is one of the most popular LI in either game.  So, BW PLEASE let us have Miri as at least a temporary, if not permanent, squaddie!!

Modifié par mereck7980, 11 mai 2011 - 05:20 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Well...Thane's back as a cameo...so yay, I guess.

Even if Miranda isn't a squaddie, I want her to be a fulltime NPC on my ship or somewhere easily accessible by me. I want interaction, dammit. Even if she's not a combat option, at least give me fulltime interaction with her and let me develop my romance with her everyday...

Bonus points for Bioware if they make her a fulltime squaddie.

[Errol Dnamyx]

She can't be a fulltime squadmember, because Tali and Garrus just need so much more screen time. You see, somehow they seem to be important representatives of their species now. (some people might call them failures though)
:mad:

[Ieldra]

I just read the post with the info from the xbox magazine.

People, I'm just as prone to panic as anyone else here, and more than some, but there is no new information regarding anyone's team member status. They did not say that Thane is a cameo, they did not say Jack is a full-time team member. All that is said is "everyone will be out there somewhere, and everyone will get a redesign". Which admittedly isn't exactly reassuring, but nothing has changed since last week regarding Miranda's status - or anyone else's.

@MsSiha:
I agree. Interaction is what I care about. Interaction that is significant not only on a personal level, and not limited to just one or two scenes. But that includes comments and exchanges on missions. For most team members we didn't have a lot of that in ME2 outside of the loyalty missions, but Miranda was an exception, and on-mission interaction is an important part of a character's presence.

Also, Miranda sitting on the Normandy all the time would be insulting considering her abilities. It would make her litte more than decoration. I want her to be part of the plot, the bigger, the better. If that means she's absent from the team for a significant time that's OK with me, as long as I have her on the team for the rest of the time.

@Errol Dnamyx:
Yeah, Garrus and Tali stealing screen time from our favorite was alway a big danger. Apparently that will manifest fully. I'm trying really hard not to let my dislike of Garrus and my indifference to Tali transmute into full-blown hate, but if Miranda really gets a backseat while those two are in the light all the time I won't be holding back any more.

@Mereck7980:
I'm with you. Unfortunately, all pleading is unlikely to change anything at this point. I think we can be reasonably confident that Miranda will be present on one mission and in the endgame, but plainly: THAT IS NOT ENOUGH!. I'd be willing to live with it if they make her take over Cerberus, for that would be a role important enough to justify prolonged absence. Only I can't imagine that the Illusive Man - one of the series' most interesting characters after all - will be sent to the trash heap without further ado. Anyway, there isn't anything we can do to influence things except stating our preferences and voting with our wallets. We've been doing the former for a long time, and I won't do the latter for ME3, but for the future, including ME3 DLC, all bets are off. Giving us a character to care about in one game and then fobbing her off with a minor role in the next one, that simply won't do.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 mai 2011 - 07:53 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Maybe I should just not post these things in this thread...you guys freak out waaay to easily =P

Who, us? Nonsense.

Anyway, is it time yet?

Well, the lid is open. As for the rest, I'll delay that decision until E3.

[Jebel Krong]

i'm waiting till E3, but i am very worried by the words "smaller permanent squad" and the already-confirmed and unwanted ME1 trio + johnny-new-bones vega/sanders/whatever they will call him eventually.

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...
i'm waiting till E3, but i am very worried by the words "smaller permanent squad" and the already-confirmed and unwanted ME1 trio + johnny-new-bones vega/sanders/whatever they will call him eventually.

Yeah. I don't really mind that Ashley/Kaidan are confirmed early. Their fans have waited long enough. But Garrus and Tali? The former has been annoying me for two full games already and now I'm stuck with him for the third as well? And Liara? I would've expected being the Shadow Broker is more of a full-time job. Just shows that story considerations play a minor role in the selection..

All I can say that if those already confirmed are what we get as the permanent team, I'll be stuck with Ashley or Kaidan and at least one team member I don't much care for as my core squad. That would be very disappointing to say the least. 

I want this woman back. In two different ways of permanent:


And while I'm at it, I want Jacob as well.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 mai 2011 - 09:30 .

[atheelogos]

Don't worry guys I'm thinking that major LI will be party members. Makes sense and would set up some nice conflict with the older squeeze. lol

[Jebel Krong]

i want: Miranda, Legion, Mordin & Wrex/Grunt as permanents if possible, and Thane and Garrus in some capacity, too. Anyone else i can ignore/kill/whatever. Those main 5 are the standout characters in the trilogy so far, though (garrus is kinda cool, but in a sidekick way rather thane actual character way).

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
i'm waiting till E3, but i am very worried by the words "smaller permanent squad" and the already-confirmed and unwanted ME1 trio + johnny-new-bones vega/sanders/whatever they will call him eventually.

Yeah. I don't really mind that Ashley/Kaidan are confirmed early. Their fans have waited long enough. But Garrus and Tali? The former has been annoying me for two full games already and now I'm stuck with him for the third as well? And Liara? I would've expected being the Shadow Broker is more of a full-time job. Just shows that story considerations play a minor role in the selection..

All I can say that if those already confirmed are what we get as the permanent team, I'll be stuck with Ashley or Kaidan and at least one team member I don't much care for as my core squad. That would be very disappointing to say the least. 

I want this woman back. In two different ways of permanent:


And while I'm at it, I want Jacob as well.

Damn I love that pic! this is what her redesign needs to look like in ME3

[Jebel Krong]

atheelogos wrote...

Don't worry guys I'm thinking that major LI will be party members. Makes sense and would set up some nice conflict with the older squeeze. lol

mesina wrote a good post on it here actually: http://social.biowar...2856/10#7356538 given the math it does seem like there are 4 spots open for the LIs to be permanent members, although i think it's unlikely all of them will be as it might preclude possibly more important to the larger plot characters from coming back (Legion).

[atheelogos]

Jebel Krong wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Don't worry guys I'm thinking that major LI will be party members. Makes sense and would set up some nice conflict with the older squeeze. lol

mesina wrote a good post on it here actually: http://social.biowar...2856/10#7356538 given the math it does seem like there are 4 spots open for the LIs to be permanent members, although i think it's unlikely all of them will be as it might preclude possibly more important to the larger plot characters from coming back (Legion).

lol my bad I was lazy and should have wrote out what I meant. What I meant to say is the person you romanced in ME2 will be squad member, but only that one person.

[Ieldra]

[quote]atheelogos wrote...


[/quote]Damn I love that pic! this is what her redesign needs to look like in ME3[/quote]
Agreed!

Apparently everyone likes this picture. Perhaps it's time to unite our rather fragmented Miranda fanbase behind it and shout: WE WANT THIS WOMAN BACK!.

As for not worrying - I'll continue to worry until I have satisfying information about Miranda. That may be when ME3 comes out or earlier. There are too many factors involved that influence how present a character will be in ME3. All we know at this time is that she'll be "out there somewhere". That's not where I want her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 mai 2011 - 10:09 .

[Jebel Krong]

atheelogos wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Don't worry guys I'm thinking that major LI will be party members. Makes sense and would set up some nice conflict with the older squeeze. lol

mesina wrote a good post on it here actually: http://social.biowar...2856/10#7356538 given the math it does seem like there are 4 spots open for the LIs to be permanent members, although i think it's unlikely all of them will be as it might preclude possibly more important to the larger plot characters from coming back (Legion).

lol my bad I was lazy and should have wrote out what I meant. What I meant to say is the person you romanced in ME2 will be squad member, but only that one person.

i could certainly live with that, but i can't see it happening because of the variables/workload issues tbh.

@ Ieldra sorry i don't like that pic - lazy airbrushing of a photo of yvonne 

i like this one:

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 11 mai 2011 - 10:43 .

[Prudii Aden]

Right now, the only verifiable information on whether Miranda will be back or not is that Bioware have said all LI's will return. They have not said anything further.

Until such time as there is verifiable information one way or another as to Miranda's team mate status, I point blank refuse to worry. Panicing would do both us and Miranda no good. Do you honestly think Miranda would panic in a situation like this? Really? I don't.
E3 will be the next big information dump. Once that is done, it will be time to review, but until then. I'm staying frosty.

[Raizo]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Every character is getting a redesign:

"We have to update the look," Watts continues, referring to Jack, Ashley and Kaidan's refesigns "And the people who redesign the characters are the same people who did the original characters; and they know best how these things are supposed to mature. Stuff changes. Garrus' armour is going to change. Even Shepard has changed quite a bit. His armour has changed a lot since the first Mass Effect"

PLUS:
" 'Twelve was a big number in Mass Effect 2 - almost too big", Hudson concedes.  "We're focused on a
smaller squad with deeper relationships and more interesting interplay in Mass Effect 3' he explains.  "We're not going to have twelve again but we are going to do more with the characters on your squad including Liara, and Kaidan or Ashley. And we're bringing everyone back - every main character is in Mass Effect 3 somewhere' "

The last part especially the italicized part is what made me think they are looking at some squadmates being temps/camoes

That article has me very worried. Common sense has always told me that ME2's 12 Squadmates were to much and if you add Ashley/Kaiden, Liara and Wrex to that list then there is just no way that everyone could come back as full time/permanent squad mate, at least not in a way that Bioware would be bale to do sufficient justice to each one.

The thing is Miranda has to come back in ME3 as a full time/permanent squad mate, for me that is the 1 thing that is non negotiatable about ME3 for me, it would literally be a deal breaker for me if she were relagated to just a cameo or if she was just a temp squad mate. Bioware can take all thier talk about weapon modding, swat turns, larger envirmoments, etc and just shove it, I really don't care about any of the so cold improvement that ME3 is going to have over ME2 if I can't have Miranda with me in ME3. The Horizon scene in ME2 has taught me to hate and fear cameo appearances, I can not trust Bioware to do an adequte job with Miranda if she is just on the screen for a few minutes or if she is just around for 1 mission.

And don't even get me started on Samara, Mordin, Thane, Grunt or Kasumi, chances are none of these guys will be permanent squadmates. I don't care about Ashley/Kaiden or Liara. By the look of things the only squad mate that I like from any of the ME games that I know will be back is Garrus. I can live with Samara and co making cameo's but I will not budge on the Miranda issue.