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[Ieldra]

Miranda's apparent age: It is very plausible that Miranda didn't grow up more slowly than a normal human, she only ages more slowly (these are different processes). Assuming a human is grown up at 20, and begins to age from there, and Miranda ages at 66% of the normal rate, then when she is 35, she will look like
20 + (35 - 20) * 0.66 = 30. Which is a difference you usually don't see. During Miranda's teenage years, she'd have looked look about her age as any other girl, and a difference of four years would've been very noticeable.

@MisterJB:
Nice fanart. Her outfit look very acceptable like that. Much less blatantly sexualized. Her face needs some work though.

@naledgeborn:
I don't think so. Tech armor is for frontline soldiers, as you'll get to see playing as a Sentinel. It's almost useless at range, and it's very obvious. Miranda isn't that. I think Miranda is more of an Infiltrator anyway, and she's only a Sentinel because that gives her her versatility and because there are already two Infiltrators on the team.

[xelander]

I always thought humans stop growing at about 24-25 and start aging from then on. Also you'd have to take into account the ME universe conditions - IIRC Shepard makes a comment in ME1 that "we're lucky if we live up to 150". From which we can extrapolate that the average lifespan is longer than today's and that the "prime" also lasts longer. Dunno if it is explained in the codex by gene interventions, better food sources or w/e. So your calculations would be a little bit off on the conservative side.

[Ieldra]

My calculation has nothing to do with average lifespan. Miranda says she'll live half again as long as the average human. That means she'll age at 66% of the normal rate once grown up. What you didn't take into account is that the growing up years account for less as she ages age.

Assuming she's grown up at 20, and a real age of...

35, she'll look like 20 + (35 - 20) * 0.66 = 30
60, she'll look like 20 + (60 - 20) * 0.66 = 47
110, she'll look like 20 + (110 - 20) * 0.66 = 80
170, she'll look like 20 + (170 - 20) * 0.66 = 120

So an apparent five-year-difference at 35 would add up to a 50-year-difference at 170. And if you assume a growing-up time of 25 years, it's your calculation that would be more conservative.

[xelander]

Sorry, I completely misread the context in which you were posting. I was thinking more clinically about the age at which we stop growing (bones' calcium absorption, eyeball deformations, organ developments etc.), I missed the part about the apparent age.

Beyond that, by assuming 66% of normal aging in your model, you seem to assume that the aging functions of both Miranda and normal people are linear, which is not true, at least not for today's humans (given a healthy lifestyle people in their 70s aren't 5 times worse off than people in their twenties  - talking about physical conditioning though, not appearance, which would be a bit harder to quantify).

Sorry, couldn't resist guess I haven't had my math fix in a long time...

Speaking of lifestyle, what kind of sports do you think is she into? Ever since I saw that fanart with Miranda hanging upside down from a high bar I always picture her doing some gymnastics in her free time (doesn't help that its a favorite sport of mine, too.)

[Ieldra]

If you can suggest a fitting nonlinear model, please do so

And anyway, you're wrong. The correspondence between health indicators and apparent age may be nonlinear, but the correspondence between two different apparent ages - of Miranda and an average healthy normal human - is as linear as we usually count age. We don't need to make the nonlinear transformation from health indicators to apparent age. And now I'll stop writing things nobody but you understands.

As for lifestyle, Miranda is practical. She'll do something that keeps all of her functions at peak efficiency. Likely a mixed regimen involving training for agility, strength and endurance. Some martial art seems also appropriate.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

What do you think is Miranda's greatest guilty pleasure? (ie expensive chocolates, a particular brand of shampoo etc)

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Hmmm.... Havent thought of that lol

[MisterJB]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

What do you think is Miranda's greatest guilty pleasure? (ie expensive chocolates, a particular brand of shampoo etc)

Expensive clothing or underwear, at least, as shown by her romance scene and this particular line from her dossier in the Lair.

"Subscription Activated: After Dark Fashions"

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ nice....  

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 mai 2011 - 11:10 .

[Mykel54]

What do you guys think it is the best outcome of Miranda LM? I mean, do you think it is better if she kills Niket or if she spares him before he gets gunned down? I´ve done both outcomes and while it seems that sparing Niket makes her feel better about it, i also find this option a bit "cheap" and unrealistic. I mean, if i didn´t know that Niket were goign to die right there, then i wouldn´t have stopped Miranda. I think that having Niket live makes no sense for Miranda, considering that he alreday betrayed her and how important Oriana´s safety is to her. When i went the paragon route i felt like Oriana was just safe because the asari decided to kill Niket, i just don´t trust that guy. What do you think is the outcome that makes more sense for the character of Miranda?

[jtav]

I hate that bit, mostly because of what pairing it with the cancellation of the journal subscription implies. The science and the more traditionally feminine pursuits being mutually exclusive, with the science losing out. But clothes horse Miranda amuses me greatly.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I stop her from killing niket, she's not like that. Miri's Better than that. It would have turned her into something she's not, like that asari.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 mai 2011 - 11:25 .

[turian councilor Knockout]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

What do you think is Miranda's greatest guilty pleasure? (ie expensive chocolates, a particular brand of shampoo etc)

Nope, it's when Shepard admires her ass

[jtav]

I let her kill him. Physically restraining her from killing him doesn't sit well with me, and she's a big girl who can live with her moral choices. I also have to object to the idea that killing Niket turning her into something she isn't. She's nowhere near Enyala, but never forget that you're dealing with someone who can be quite ruthless. Control chip, anyone? Shooting Niket would scar her, but it's entirely consistent with her earlier behavior.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

turian councilor Knockout wrote...

Nope, it's when Shepard admires her ass

lol

[MisterJB]

I stop her from killing him. Not because it turns her into something she isn't, but rather because by killing Niket, Miranda would be killing one of the few good, innocent things she had while she was a child. This would only please her father, I think and I want nothing of the sort.
Miranda is happier with Niket trying to redeem himself, even if it was at gunpoint and since he didn't know where Oriana and her family were going to, otherwise Miranda wouldn't even contemplate sparing him, he wasn't going to be a danger anyway.

Modifié par MisterJB, 14 mai 2011 - 11:42 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

I stop her from killing him. Not because it turns her into something she isn't, but rather because by killing Niket, Miranda would be killing one of the few good, innocent things she had while she was a child. This would only please her father, I think and I want nothing of the sort.
Miranda is happier with Niket trying to redeem himself, even if it was at gunpoint and since he didn't know where Oriana and her family were going to, otherwise Miranda wouldn't even contemplate sparing him, he wasn't going to be a danger anyway,

I stopped Miri from killing niket because of this as well. I couldn't find a correct way to say it now that I think about.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 14 mai 2011 - 11:42 .

[jtav]

Ieldra, consider this my pledge that this story is still being worked on. My first attempt at the rousing speech.

"Smart boy." Miranda moved to the window, and I followed her almost without realizing what I was doing. The sunlight played across her skin, and I could notice details that I hadn't during our first meeting: the translucent vein running down her throat, the subtle blush on her cheeks, the almost imperceptible shadows under her eyes, almost but not quite obscured by makeup. It was the last that held my attention because it clashed so violently with her apparent perfection. She'd had a sleepless night, the same as anyone could. The thought cheered me far more than it should have.

She seemed oblivious to my observation. "Do you realize how much we don't know about biotics? We spent years on fruitless experimentation and had to rely on the Council races because it was linked to eezo. And, even now, we don't know why some children get cancer while others become biotics. The first generation couldn't do anything more impressive than levitate a chair for a few seconds. The second generation has tremendous power but terrible side effects. We tried creating an artificial biotic to control for random factors. You know how that turned out: crippling pain and an early death. But you? You're more powerful than the L2s or Claire Eldfell. And you don't have any of the side effects. That outburst the day we met would have killed most people, but you're fine. Everything I learn from studying and training you will be used to create strong, healthy biotics. If everything goes according to plan, you'll be the first of the third, successful generation."

The strangest thing happened as she spoke. Passion transformed her face. Fatigue evaporated from her face. Her What I had thought was a statue was suddenly alive, vital, and human. More than human. Energy crackled through her like lightning or a biotic surge. I saw now what those perfectly sculptured features were meant for. I had judged Miranda while she was inert. In motion, seized by a genuine passion, saying she was beautiful hardly did her justice. It would be like describing a Caravaggio as beautiful and expecting that to explain the entire painting. It didn't matter whether I believed her or not. Her belief in the cause consumed both of us in that moment. I wanted to seize the pencils and capture the moment before it faded into memory.

[Vertigo_1]

This doesn't sound good...

http://twitter.com/#...607879346356224

"Love interests won't all necessarily be permanent squad members in #ME3 . Interesting new things happening in that area."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[cbutz]

::De-Fourm lurking in 5...4...3...2...1...::
From what I am seeing through all that is covered, my gut tells me that Miranda will be a temporary squad mate but will still be a crew member of the SR-2.

[Vertigo_1]

cbutz wrote...

::De-Fourm lurking in 5...4...3...2...1...::
From what I am seeing through all that is covered, my gut tells me that Miranda will be a temporary squad mate but will still be a crew member of the SR-2.

That doesn't make sense to me...if she is capable and on the ship shouldn't she be readily available as a squadmate?

Unless she is in some situation where her scientific capabilities will be required on the Normandy?
(maybe with Mordin?)
That makes me somewhat at ease. Still...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mai 2011 - 05:36 .

[Td1984]

Mykel54 wrote...

What do you guys think it is the best outcome of Miranda LM? I mean, do you think it is better if she kills Niket or if she spares him before he gets gunned down? I´ve done both outcomes and while it seems that sparing Niket makes her feel better about it, i also find this option a bit "cheap" and unrealistic. I mean, if i didn´t know that Niket were goign to die right there, then i wouldn´t have stopped Miranda. I think that having Niket live makes no sense for Miranda, considering that he alreday betrayed her and how important Oriana´s safety is to her. When i went the paragon route i felt like Oriana was just safe because the asari decided to kill Niket, i just don´t trust that guy. What do you think is the outcome that makes more sense for the character of Miranda?

I stop Miri from killing him. After all, if she killed Niket, that means that Asari doesn't and I'd miss out on that awesome cutscene I think (where Miri sends her flying). Not that I've tried not stopping her.

[cbutz]

Vertigo_1 wrote...


That doesn't make sense to me...if she is capable and on the ship shouldn't she be readily available as a squadmate?
Unless she is in some situation where her scientific capabilities will be required on the Normandy? (maybe with Mordin?)
That makes me somewhat at ease. Still...

Perhaps I am thinking along the lines that she will be temporary because you will do her "recruitment missions," only to have her become severely injured, ie: rocket to the legs etc, thus rendering her unable to fight. She would still be able to perform XO duties, she just would not have legs to fight...idk just throwing that out there.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I let her kill him. Physically restraining her from killing him doesn't sit well with me, and she's a big girl who can live with her moral choices. I also have to object to the idea that killing Niket turning her into something she isn't. She's nowhere near Enyala, but never forget that you're dealing with someone who can be quite ruthless. Control chip, anyone? Shooting Niket would scar her, but it's entirely consistent with her earlier behavior.

Exactly that. It is her decision, she can make her own decisions and live with them, and that arm-grab is something I would never do, especially when an asari commando is just waiting for my squad to fight among themselves.

As for what killing Niket will do to her, those who prevent her from doing it should think for a moment what Niket's betrayal did to her. Her only friend from her childhood betrayed her and let himself be bribed by her father because she kept secrets from him. You don't do that to your friend without giving her a chance to explain first.

As for Niket redeeming himself. I always find it incomprehensible that anyone would trust Niket after what he did. Shepards arguments are completely nonsensical. They shouldn't convince Miranda. 

[atheelogos]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I let her kill him. Physically restraining her from killing him doesn't sit well with me, and she's a big girl who can live with her moral choices. I also have to object to the idea that killing Niket turning her into something she isn't. She's nowhere near Enyala, but never forget that you're dealing with someone who can be quite ruthless. Control chip, anyone? Shooting Niket would scar her, but it's entirely consistent with her earlier behavior.

Exactly that. It is her decision, she can make her own decisions and live with them, and that arm-grab is something I would never do, especially when an asari commando is just waiting for my squad to fight among themselves.

As for what killing Niket will do to her, those who prevent her from doing it should think for a moment what Niket's betrayal did to her. Her only friend from her childhood betrayed her and let himself be bribed by her father because she kept secrets from him. You don't do that to your friend without giving her a chance to explain first.

As for Niket redeeming himself. I always find it incomprehensible that anyone would trust Niket after what he did. Shepards arguments are completely nonsensical. They shouldn't convince Miranda. 

Hmmm interesting points but really it comes down to this. I think most of us roleplay our Sheps with our real life morals. With that said I would never let my significant other kill someone just because they want to return my girlfriends sister to her father. That's taking it a step to far.