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From what I am seeing through all that is covered, my gut tells me that Miranda will be a temporary squad mate but will still be a crew member of the SR-2.


That doesn't make sense to me...if she is capable and on the ship shouldn't she be readily available as a squadmate?

Unless she is in some situation where her scientific capabilities will be required on the Normandy?
(maybe with Mordin?)

That makes me somewhat at ease. Still...

It still makes no sense. Research would not prevent her from taking part in missions. Just like it didn't prevent Mordin in ME2. Should my favorite scenario come true and she'll take over Cerberus after the current management has been removed, then she might have enough to do to not take part in missions, but then I'd also expect her to be absent from the Normandy for a while. 

No, I don't think she'll be on the Normandy while not being a team member.

BTW, just read CH's Twitter statements. He said "love interests will not necessarily be permanent squadmates". So that hypothesis is out of the window. But it's still vague - does he mean some LIs will not be permanent team members, or does he mean there are conditions under which LIs can or cannot be permanent team members? Will we, perhaps, have a choice about taking our LI into our team or letting her do something else, perhaps something more important? That wouldn't make sense for every LI, but Miranda is competent enough that I can see that as a hard decision. Do I want her at my side, or do I want her to use her capabilities to the fullest and do something very important independently from Shepard, coming back to me only near the end? Depending on exactly what that important task is, I might prefer to take the latter option for my main Shepard.

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I let her kill him. Physically restraining her from killing him doesn't sit well with me, and she's a big girl who can live with her moral choices. I also have to object to the idea that killing Niket turning her into something she isn't. She's nowhere near Enyala, but never forget that you're dealing with someone who can be quite ruthless. Control chip, anyone? Shooting Niket would scar her, but it's entirely consistent with her earlier behavior.

Exactly that. It is her decision, she can make her own decisions and live with them, and that arm-grab is something I would never do, especially when an asari commando is just waiting for my squad to fight among themselves.

As for what killing Niket will do to her, those who prevent her from doing it should think for a moment what Niket's betrayal did to her. Her only friend from her childhood betrayed her and let himself be bribed by her father because she kept secrets from him. You don't do that to your friend without giving her a chance to explain first.

As for Niket redeeming himself. I always find it incomprehensible that anyone would trust Niket after what he did. Shepards arguments are completely nonsensical. They shouldn't convince Miranda. 

Hmmm interesting points but really it comes down to this. I think most of us roleplay our Sheps with our real life morals. With that said I would never let my significant other kill someone just because they want to return my girlfriends sister to her father. That's taking it a step to far.

Your real life morals aren't appropriate for the situation. You'd be right if this were an everyday situation in a generally peaceful and ordered society. But it isn't. As soon as the Eclipse became involved, it ceased to be a "family disagreement". Then there's that betrayal of trust, the question of "will he do this again" and the fact that there appears to be no "lawful" way to render Niket harmless for the future. Quite possibly the only reason I'd not kill in that situation is that it isn't worth spending some years in jail for. For various reason, that's not a consideration in Miranda's LM....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 mai 2011 - 08:56 .


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"Smart boy." Miranda moved to the window, and I followed her almost without realizing what I was doing. The sunlight played across her skin, and I could notice details that I hadn't during our first meeting: the translucent vein running down her throat, the subtle blush on her cheeks, the almost imperceptible shadows under her eyes, almost but not quite obscured by makeup. It was the last that held my attention because it clashed so violently with her apparent perfection. She'd had a sleepless night, the same as anyone could. The thought cheered me far more than it should have.

She seemed oblivious to my observation. "Do you realize how much we don't know about biotics? We spent years on fruitless experimentation and had to rely on the Council races because it was linked to eezo. And, even now, we don't know why some children get cancer while others become biotics. The first generation couldn't do anything more impressive than levitate a chair for a few seconds. The second generation has tremendous power but terrible side effects. We tried creating an artificial biotic to control for random factors. You know how that turned out: crippling pain and an early death. But you? You're more powerful than the L2s or Claire Eldfell. And you don't have any of the side effects. That outburst the day we met would have killed most people, but you're fine. Everything I learn from studying and training you will be used to create strong, healthy biotics. If everything goes according to plan, you'll be the first of the third, successful generation."

The strangest thing happened as she spoke. Passion transformed her face. Fatigue evaporated from her face. Her What I had thought was a statue was suddenly alive, vital, and human. More than human. Energy crackled through her like lightning or a biotic surge. I saw now what those perfectly sculptured features were meant for. I had judged Miranda while she was inert. In motion, seized by a genuine passion, saying she was beautiful hardly did her justice. It would be like describing a Caravaggio as beautiful and expecting that to explain the entire painting. It didn't matter whether I believed her or not. Her belief in the cause consumed both of us in that moment. I wanted to seize the pencils and capture the moment before it faded into memory.




Damn it, i just recently discovered your fanfic and i became addicted. Can't wait. Can't freakin' wait. ;)

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Thanks:blush: Chapter three is 1/3 complete and I'm working as fast as I can.

My gut tells me Miranda is a temp, but I think she has a decent chance for full status. My main concern is, as always, that she remain capable and competent. I'm with MisterJB: having both is great, but I will always choose having her be significant on a galactic stage over squadmate/expaanded LI status. Although, I do think she might be available as a "new" LI as well.

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.@LiquidMathew We have some new (and unannounced) characters that will be cool and quite different from what we've done before."

Did fear there would be more new characters but still hoped there wouldn't be more than one more. My hope of getting anything other than Miranda being sidelined into a mediocre LOTSB side mission and cut scene is receding fast.


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Well, as long as it's as awesome as LOTSB, no issue there. Though I do find myself with an increasing resentment of the ME1 characters. I feel like I made the "wrong" choice for preferring Miranda.

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Ieldra2 wrote...
It still makes no sense. Research would not prevent her from taking part in missions. Just like it didn't prevent Mordin in ME2. Should my favorite scenario come true and she'll take over Cerberus after the current management has been removed, then she might have enough to do to not take part in missions, but then I'd also expect her to be absent from the Normandy for a while. 

No, I don't think she'll be on the Normandy while not being a team member.

BTW, just read CH's Twitter statements. He said "love interests will not necessarily be permanent squadmates". So that hypothesis is out of the window. But it's still vague - does he mean some LIs will not be permanent team members, or does he mean there are conditions under which LIs can or cannot be permanent team members? Will we, perhaps, have a choice about taking our LI into our team or letting her do something else, perhaps something more important? That wouldn't make sense for every LI, but Miranda is competent enough that I can see that as a hard decision. Do I want her at my side, or do I want her to use her capabilities to the fullest and do something very important independently from Shepard, coming back to me only near the end? Depending on exactly what that important task is, I might prefer to take the latter option for my main Shepard.


Yeah usually I would just say ok but for some reason his statement made me worried a little...
My idea that all ME2 exclusive squadmates will have temp or cameo roles has inched a tiny bit to being a reality but I still have hope though that we will find out otherwise @ E3.

I don't like saying this but I am also starting to resent the ME1 team. I believe the ME2 exclusive squad was way more interesting...IMO Miranda, Mordin and Legion were way more interesting than the squadmates we know are permanent in ME3

On other idea that I'm thinking about is LI's that were hinted in ME2 such as Shiala and Gianna, maybe hes referring to them as well when he says not every LI will be a perma squadmate?

I'm almost tempted to ask him if ME2 LI's get shafted in ME3...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mai 2011 - 05:52 .


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I don't want LotSB treatment for Miranda. That was like 2 hours of gameplay and 1 post mission conversation. In a ~ 50 hour game that's not really that great.

I want Miranda around and relevant at very least 15 of those 50 hours. I don't mind if I have to pick her up in the middle of the game as long as I can re-recruit at the beginning of the middle and that she doesn't leave after she's joined up.

LotSB was fan-service disguised as a subplot. The Liara fans had it worse than Ashley or Kaidan fans before LotSB was released.

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Do it! Though you may want to phrase it as "Will people who preferred a ME2 LI get a satisfying conclusion?"

I think I'm going to kill Tali and Garrus. Work out my bad feelings before I lash out at their fans,

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jtav wrote...

Do it! Though you may want to phrase it as "Will people who preferred a ME2 LI get a satisfying conclusion?"

I think I'm going to kill Tali and Garrus. Work out my bad feelings before I lash out at their fans,


Ok I asked
Hope he answers...

And I may end up killing Tali too
All my saves have everyone making it through the SM

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 mai 2011 - 05:31 .


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Vertigo_1 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Do it! Though you may want to phrase it as "Will people who preferred a ME2 LI get a satisfying conclusion?"

I think I'm going to kill Tali and Garrus. Work out my bad feelings before I lash out at their fans,


Ok I asked
Hope he answers...

And I may end up killing Tali too
All my saves have everyone making it through the SM

I thought I was the only one beginning to resent the ME1 team. Glad to see that's not the case. So far I wasn't one to kill team members for reasons not within the game itself, but I'm getting around to that, too. 

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Miranda needs to be on the squad and if she is not well then I know of 2 that will not make out of the CB in My play through of 2 then .

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Better to kill them in one game and get it out of my system than take it out on actual fans. Grrr. It wouldn't be so bad if we had say, Jack and Thane confirmed too. I feel like I'm stuck in a time warp.

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You're not the only one Ieldra.

I think Garrus is a great character. But he's had character development (the most) over the course of two full games. And from the beginning of both of them mind you. And I don't want to talk about Tali because I don't want my animosity to crossover into hate territory. Pretty much what I wrote about Garrus without the praise.

This is a case of Bioware being unfair to paying customers. There's no justification. Those two spots on the roster could've gone to any of the ten characters introduced in Mass Effect 2. Four of which are Love Interests, each with their own solid fan bases. It's completely unnecessary to bring Garrus and Tali back full time.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 mai 2011 - 06:06 .


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Who here has 100% survival for the Suicide Mission?

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Across all games? No, but I have several perfect games.

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Well then, which one are you going to transfer?

No one here feels regret for killing off squad members?

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All of them. I'll even have a playthrough where Miranda dies in case things go really of the rails.

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You would actually have Miri die....?

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I've done playthroughs where I killed off each and every character at random points just to see what would happen, even Miranda.

Then I go back and make sure everyone survives...I didn't think I could kill of squad-mates and save it...until now.

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I am going to do a complete replay of 2 with the intent on killing Garrus and Tali I am sick of Bioware pandering to the ME 1 fans only

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who here has canon playthroughs where a FEW squad memebers die during the SM? Do NOT include MIRI!

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There are things that make me uneasy about her possible development, no matter the size of her role. If she's dead, I have a universe where it didn't happen.

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I'm pausing my current playthrough as at the moment my mood is so black that Tali would be heading for certain death. Still hoping bioware will pull a rabbit out of the hat at E3 and i can return to a mood of excitement.

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Ok lets stop talking about death. Especially about Miri, MY LI who is precious to me.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 15 mai 2011 - 06:28 .