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[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Again, let's pretend she's back on the Normandy. Where? Her office? I doubt she'd be XO. She's a wanted terrorist. Neither the Alliance brass or crew would trust her. I can picture the VS taking that role and the office.

Well if Mordin isn't a squadmate and not on the Normandy maybe where he used to work? I mean even if she isn't trusted I can see Shepard standing up for her (if he chooses to) hes had worse (according to the Alliance) aboard his ship right? He is a Spectre too right?
If during the trial they mention Jacob and Miranda and there's an option to support them ie: "They were critical in stopping the Collectors" I will take it.

Somehow I can't see the VS taking up her office or her title...just seems odd to me
Speaking of her office I am almost sure that it will be dismantled and changed into something else by the Alliance (confirmed by developers but they weren't specific) ...Shepard mentions how Alliance standards on military ships isn't as grand as Cerberus when he talks to EDI about his living quarters.



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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 12:35 .

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Bible Doctor wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 mai 2011 - 01:57 .

[TMA LIVE]

jtav wrote...

Again, let's pretend she's back on the Normandy. Where? Her office? I doubt she'd be XO. She's a wanted terrorist. Neither the Alliance brass or crew would trust her. I can picture the VS taking that role and the office.

And now I'm picturing Kaidan and Miranda sniping at each other as she tries to tell him how to do his job. Slap Slap Kiss ensues.

Hmm... Ash/Kaidan in Miranda's office.

I guess she's sleeping in a bunk now if you didn't romance her. lol. That or she kicked you out of your own room.

[aeetos21]

What I keep doing is looking for patterns. BW is pretty predictable once you play a couple of their games, I think everybody here knows what I'm talking about. And while it differs from franchise to franchise ME3 will already have had two prequels to it so the patterns should be pretty evident.

Spoilers Ahead for ME:

Ash/Kaidan: While they have differing operating playbooks their role is the same in both games, represent the Alliance and help humanity find its way into the galactic community. That's their role big picture, that's what they represent. They're going to be a Spectre in ME3 and so while their position has changed their role won't. They'll still be pushing for some way for humanity to find its place in the greater galactic community and giving we the players some feedback on what the rest of humanity is thinking when we happen upon certain situations.

Garrus: Pretty clear since he and Tali both had pretty expansive roles in both games. Most of Shepard's conversations with Garrus revolve around doing what it takes to see justice done and where is that fine line that separates: "Okay this prison is hell but the prisoners are dangerous. How far do we need to go to keep order and where is that line between keeping order and abuse?" Moving backwards to ME1 it was questioning what was right, letting a mass murderer go and risking other lives in the future or killing a few to stop him from leaving. Even though he's renegade he also does a fairly good job of explaining the Turian perception of things. I suspect in ME3 he will still be Shepard's loyal to the end partner in crime and best friend but what he represents will also remain the same i.e. he isn't about to start discussing what constitutes life the fetus or after the birth.

Tali: All about her people, a walking talking Quarian encyclopedia. Her position may change in ME3 as she has yet to be confirmed as a permanent squaddy but her role in helping her people find a homeworld won't have changed as well as her role of demonstrating just how badly Quarians are mistreated by the rest of the galaxy. We can make real life comparisons between that and discrimination as well as the values of community. That's what she represented in ME1 and ME2, in ME3 she will do so again even though her physical position may be different.

And now, finally, Miranda

Her character drama is a bit like Garrus's only instead of justice and vengeance you have human advancement and ethical dillemas. When does the cost outweigh the gain and after ME2 I think we know where her limits are. She's still going to advocate for humanity in ME3 as well as represent the idea of what makes a human - human - but her physical position will definitely change. She'll be the perfect foil to Ash/Kaidan as well as the Alliance but her "helping humanity at all costs" limit will actually be finite whereas in ME2 with TIM breathing down Shepard's neck all the time it was pretty questionable how far Cerberus really would go.

Same thing goes for the DA franchise as well. The cameos and companions from DAO all came into the game representing the same values they had before but their positions were all very different.

That's BW and BW is making ME3. Ash/Kaidan (and Shepard for that matter) need somebody else to argue that the Alliance or Citadel's approach isn't always the best way to go. In fact if anyone is becoming redundant in ME3 I'd have to say it would be Jacob since his role in ME2 was very similar to Ash/Kaidan's in ME1 (even if he badmouths the Alliance 24/7 he walks and talks like a marine) but that's for another thread.

Modifié par aeetos21, 16 mai 2011 - 02:03 .

[ADLegend21]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jtav wrote...

Again, let's pretend she's back on the Normandy. Where? Her office? I doubt she'd be XO. She's a wanted terrorist. Neither the Alliance brass or crew would trust her. I can picture the VS taking that role and the office.

And now I'm picturing Kaidan and Miranda sniping at each other as she tries to tell him how to do his job. Slap Slap Kiss ensues.

Hmm... Ash/Kaidan in Miranda's office.

I guess she's sleeping in a bunk now if you didn't romance her. lol. That or she kicked you out of your own room.

NO. Miranda is my XO romance or not. I LOVE the VS, but they are not a task manager. the crew trusts Miranda as per random ship dialogue in ME2 No alliance person is going to tell me the chain of command on my ship.

[MisterJB]

If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

[aeetos21]

Lol@MisterJB

/seconded

Spoilers for Arrival:

A lot of what will happen in Shepard's trial will depend on whether or not humanity/the galaxy accept that the Reaper threat is real. If a guy blows up a star system killing hundreds of thousands in order to save trillions that's one thing. But if it's some nut doing it out of misguided beliefs then that's something else entirely. Fortunately as we all know the trial will definitely end with everybody taking the threat seriously, although it would be GREAT if they found Shepard insane right at the moment the Reapers attacked.

And there's a reason why Miranda wouldn't be with Shep at the beginning, after going through everything they did together she'd be very POed with Shepard. Maybe one of those: "You selfish bastard! Fine then, go to that sham of a trial. I'll be out here, making a damned difference!"

Modifié par aeetos21, 16 mai 2011 - 02:38 .

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...
Lol@MisterJB
/seconded

Spoilers for Arrival:

It would be nice to have her there....

Another thing to note is that the trial will be handled differently if you didn't play Arrival:

http://twitter.com/#...245265819680769
"Shepard pretty much had to stop the Reapers in the Arrival DLC event, but we handle it differently in ME3 if you didn't play it."

So instead of the actions in Arrival they could spin it as "working for terrorists" and perhaps Shepard disbands the team and goes to the trial on the basis of not wanting to put Miranda (and others) in danger?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 02:59 .

[aeetos21]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...
Spoilers for Arrival:

It would be nice to have her there....

Another thing to note is that the trial will be handled differently if you didn't play Arrival:

http://twitter.com/#...245265819680769
"Shepard pretty much had to stop the Reapers in the Arrival DLC event, but we handle it differently in ME3 if you didn't play it."

So instead of the actions in Arrival they could spin it as "working for terrorists" and perhaps Shepard disbands the team and goes to the trial on the basis of not wanting to put Miranda (and others) in danger?

I can definitely see the terrorist angle working as an alternative, especially if you're go with a default template ME3 Shepard. But as for Miranda sitting in at the trial...

It would be nice but, in my opinion, it'd be too constricting. I mean think about it would you rather have Miranda sitting in on the trial only to be sidelined while Anderson, Udina, and Kaidan/Ash doing their thing or would you rather meet up with her later where she can make a real entrance and have the spotlight on her. Maybe saving you from getting killed by a Cerberus attack. She'd be the perfect person to let you in on just why Cerberus is trying to kill you. By then you would hopefully have also built up your friendship/relationship enough with the VS to the point where both they and Miranda would feel that they have a vested interest in you and a right to state their mind:

1) Destroy Cerberus for good
Or
2) Restructure it
Or
3) Leave as is

Side note: I also think it'd be an interesting twist  if the moment you opened the airlock to leave the Normandy you see a fully armed and ready Ash/Kaidan Spectre ready to take you to the pretrial processing thing - as your guard.

Modifié par aeetos21, 16 mai 2011 - 03:14 .

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...

But as for Miranda sitting in at the trial...

I never meant her sitting in on the trial, I said disbanding everyone and going in alone (aside from NPCs) to face the brunt of the accusations.  Sorry if it wasn't clear.

aeetos21 wrote...
Side note: I also think it'd be an interesting twist  if the moment you opened the airlock to leave the Normandy you see a fulled armed and ready Ash/Kaidan Spectre ready to take you to the pretrial processing thing - as your guard.

Thats a good one! I can see that happening and a great way to introduce them.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 03:16 .

[ADLegend21]

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[aeetos21]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

aeetos21 wrote...

But as for Miranda sitting in at the trial...

I never meant her sitting in on the trial, I said disbanding everyone and going in alone (aside from NPCs) to face the brunt of the accusations.  Sorry if it wasn't clear.

aeetos21 wrote...
Side note: I also think it'd be an interesting twist  if the moment you opened the airlock to leave the Normandy you see a fulled armed and ready Ash/Kaidan Spectre ready to take you to the pretrial processing thing - as your guard.

Thats a good one! I can see that happening and a great way to introduce them.

Ok I see what you're saying now, my bad. Besides Garrus and Mordin who I'm pretty sure will be with Shepard from start to finish I think it'd be less about disbanding them and more about they're leaving to go and... okay, here's my thoughts. I'm sure I'm wrong on most if not all but they make sense and leave a lot of room for plot later on.

1) Jack: "Your being a **** Shepard. **** the Alliance. I got better things to do then watch you dance to their music and see them stick you in some cryo cell. If you need me you know where to find me."
2) Tali: "I can't believe you're agreeing to this Shepard. I can't stand by and watch you destroy yourself I won't. I'm returning to the Flotilla, the Reapers are coming. We'll be ready when the time comes."
3) Samara/Morinth: ---I think they'll leave regardless to do their own thing---
4) Thane: ---Also leaves regardless to spend time with his son or maybe to go under some sort of treatment, either way I hope he's recruitable later---
5) Legion: ---Same thing as Tali only he's going to help the Geth---
6) Grunt:"You're being unwise, Battlemaster. My people need me now but when the time comes know that there is no one else who I would rather fight beside. Until then, goodbye."
7) Kasumi: "I get why you're doing it, it's who you are. I have some old friends that need visiting but don't you worry. I'll be keeping an eye on you."
8) Zaeed: "So, going on holiday on earth are we? My place is out there, goodbye Shepard."
9) Jacob: "I get it Shepard, you're the posterchild. The icon. Not going would only cement people's doubts in you. I don't like it but... The last thing you need is a supposed "terrorist" sitting by your side, even if me and Cerberus are through. Still when the time comes and you need someone to bust you out, you know who to call."

[Vertigo_1]

aeetos21 wrote...
Ok I see what you're saying now, my bad. Besides Garrus and Mordin who I'm pretty sure will be with Shepard from start to finish I think it'd be less about disbanding them and more about they're leaving to go and... okay, here's my thoughts. I'm sure I'm wrong on most if not all but they make sense and leave a lot of room for plot later on.

1) Jack: "Your being a **** Shepard. **** the Alliance. I got better things to do then watch you dance to their music and see them stick you in some cryo cell. If you need me you know where to find me."
2) Tali: "I can't believe you're agreeing to this Shepard. I can't stand by and watch you destroy yourself I won't. I'm returning to the Flotilla, the Reapers are coming. We'll be ready when the time comes."
3) Samara/Morinth: ---I think they'll leave regardless to do their own thing---
4) Thane: ---Also leaves regardless to spend time with his son or maybe to go under some sort of treatment, either way I hope he's recruitable later---
5) Legion: ---Same thing as Tali only he's going to help the Geth---
6) Grunt:"You're being unwise, Battlemaster. My people need me now but when the time comes know that there is no one else who I would rather fight beside. Until then, goodbye."
7) Kasumi: "I get why you're doing it, it's who you are. I have some old friends that need visiting but don't you worry. I'll be keeping an eye on you."
8) Zaeed: "So, going on holiday on earth are we? My place is out there, goodbye Shepard."
9) Jacob: "I get it Shepard, you're the posterchild. The icon. Not going would only cement people's doubts in you. I don't like it but... The last thing you need is a supposed "terrorist" sitting by your side, even if me and Cerberus are through. Still when the time comes and you need someone to bust you out, you know who to call."

Everyone seems to be saying "if you need me you know where to find me"

• Zaeed was payed to come along for the SM after that is done with he leaves (cameo)
• Kasumi: Goes off the grid if you did her LM or not (probably cameo)
• Jack: I don't see Jack staying...she would leave but where to I don't know...maybe she gets captured by Cerberus for experiments?
• Jacob: Same with Miranda, either heads back to Cerberus(kept base) or is captured by Cerberus (destroyed base)
• Garrus: I don't really see him going anywhere
• Samara: Find more ardat-yakshi (either her daughter or others - which she states she will) but says "I will come for you" when its time.
• Morinth: Feels she has payed you back for saving her...leaves to do more death by snu-snu:pinched:
• Mordin: "Problems with homeworld concerning genophage, STG called me to go", etc (temp based on magazine articles, interviews so far)
• Thane: I agree with you on that.
• Grunt: Again I agree though I think its less about him disagreeing and more about him telling grunt to head back to tuchanka and that he will be back to get him and Wrex (temp)
• Legion: Agreed
• Tali: I don't think thats in character of her especially if you went to her trial, she will probably stay since either she can be exiled or found not guilty though that would mean she wouldn't have anywhere to go.
• Miranda: She either has to head back to Cerberus if you kept the base (they might need her to work there) OR                                                                                                                                                                     She needs to deal with Oriana now that she resigned (she is then captured and brought back to Cerberus)                                                                                                                                                                When you meet her again she's either denouncing Cerberus because they are after Shepard (Illusive man has gone too far) or captured (trying to deal with Oriana) and says the same thing about Illusive man going too far.

Now for Cerberus I see it this way: 
Go after Illusive Man:  Here if both Miranda and Jacob are alive they come along with you as squadmates...Jack would play some part here but I honestly don't know...
If neither or if both are dead: You have to choose one or two squadmates.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 05:49 .

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SgtPotato wrote...

Bible Doctor wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
intimidate trolls.

Fixed. 

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Say what you want. Show what you want. It wouldn't matter. NONE of it would have any affect on me, and EVERY OTHER Miri fans.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 mai 2011 - 05:20 .

[Td1984]

MisterJB wrote...

If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

Bingo. If she's getting kicked out of her office, I'll just have to share mine.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

Bingo. If she's getting kicked out of her office, I'll just have to share mine.

I would LOVE to share my quarters with Beloved Miri.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

As much as like that idea - she needs her own space.

Regarding the VS taking over her role as XO:
The XO isn't such a glamorous job. I wouldn't much mind giving it to someone else, except: Miranda is my second-in-command. ME2 didn't feel so much like it was Shepard's mission, it felt like Shepard's and Miranda's mission. In fact, without Miranda there wouldn't have been a mission in the first place and the Collectors would have finished their Reaper-building project. In my mind, there is no other who can run the ship with me. The SR2 without Miranda feels empty.

So whoever gets the job, it's just a temporary replacement as far as I'm concerned. When (!!!) Miranda comes back, I'll give it back to her and give her full clearance, and to hell with the political officers the Alliance sent to breathe down my neck. Besides, should they give Ashley the job I'm going to do laugh my ass off. There can't be many less suited to the job.

[Ieldra]

aeetos21 wrote...
Her character drama is a bit like Garrus's only instead of justice and vengeance you have human advancement and ethical dillemas. When does the cost outweigh the gain and after ME2 I think we know where her limits are. She's still going to advocate for humanity in ME3 as well as represent the idea of what makes a human - human - but her physical position will definitely change. She'll be the perfect foil to Ash/Kaidan as well as the Alliance but her "helping humanity at all costs" limit will actually be finite whereas in ME2 with TIM breathing down Shepard's neck all the time it was pretty questionable how far Cerberus really would go.

[...]

That's BW and BW is making ME3. Ash/Kaidan (and Shepard for that matter) need somebody else to argue that the Alliance or Citadel's approach isn't always the best way to go. In fact if anyone is becoming redundant in ME3 I'd have to say it would be Jacob since his role in ME2 was very similar to Ash/Kaidan's in ME1 (even if he badmouths the Alliance 24/7 he walks and talks like a marine) but that's for another thread.

That's what gives me hope that Miranda will be more than a one-mission temporary team member. CH said we can "roleplay against the Alliance", and Miranda is best for representing a different way of doing things than the Alliance. And she needs to represent those who do not doubt that things like a longer life, accelerated reflexes and faster learning cannot be counted as anything but desirable, regardless of how they came into existence. 

As for "Miranda early on the team", I don't think we'll get to see that, and actually I would prefer Miranda had a good dramatic entrance somewhere not too late in the story, but not at the beginning. The reunion will have more emotional impact that way. I can see that as a reason for Bioware doing things this way: temporary separation is a powerful tool in a romance story. Think of what those Shepards who romanced Kaidan or Ashley went through, and the impact it will have when they finally get together again. I wouldn't mind a bit of that for the Miranda romance as well. Cyrus Shepard will feel it like a stab to the heart every time he walks past Miranda's office and doesn't see her in it, or even worse, sees someone else in *her* office, but when they meet again it will all have been worth it. Let's hope they don't take the parallel too far, though, and give us an equivalent of Horizon in-between.

Edit:
If they really give someone else Miranda's office, I want a dialogue option to say "This is not your office" to whoever the Alliance sent to breathe down my neck.

(BTW, I'm not really Anti-Alliance or pro-Cerberus. But either they've been sticking their heads into the sand for too long, they're hypocritical - letting Cerberus do their dirty work with tacit agreement while publicy denouncing them - or they're up to their neck in bureaucracy. Anyway they could use a good shake-up. Miranda is just the one for striking the balance between the different ways of doing things)
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2011 - 09:16 .

[Jebel Krong]

Yannkee wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

No offense to kaidan, but If he were to try to do that to Miri, I'll drag him to the airlock and jettison him to deep space.

Don't worry, Kaidan will try to seduce your Shepard, not Miranda. 

i always thought kaiden was a little bit.... teh ghey. 

[Jebel Krong]

DynamiteDK92 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

DynamiteDK92 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Admittedly that's not so far from the truth for me. One would think someone like her would long have appeared in SF literature, but that's not so. Not that I know all SF literature, not nearly, but even so the absence is noticeable. Apparently the particular combination of traits would make it more likely that such a woman appears as a villain, and regarding her genetic engineering, apparently the days where SF showed us the chances of technology instead of just the risks are long gone. 

Allow me to introduce http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/
:happy:

His newest trilogy is incomprehensible to me. But his earlier works - yeah, you have a point. He definitely doesn't paint a simplistic picture.

I've heard similar things said about the Void trilogy elsewhere, though I haven't been able to form an opinion myself yet. I'm still working my way through the beginning of The Dreaming Void, with The Temporal Void and The Evolutionary Void sitting on my shelf, waiting for me.
I'm looking forward to his next novel, Great North Road, though.

didn't like the first of the void trilogy - the sci fi bits were great but i hated all the fantasy rubbish, and the 2nd one was weighted more towards that. however Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained are two of the best books i have ever read.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
who here has canon playthroughs where a FEW squad memebers die during the SM? Do NOT include MIRI!

I have (* = personal canon, but I'll import all of them).

maleSheps:
Andrash Shepard, Renegon Sentinel: Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt are dead
Amir Shepard, Paragade Infiltrator: Jack dead
*Cyrus Shepard, Neutral Engineer: Tali dead
Colwyn Shepard, Paragade Adept: no deaths

femSheps:
Louise Shepard, Renegon Soldier: Garrus, Tali and Zaeed dead.
*Rani Shepard, Paragade Engineer: Garrus and Zaeed dead
Rhea Shepard, Paragon Infiltrator: no deaths
May Shepard, Renegade Adept: Miranda, Jacob and Jack survived.

damn you have a lot - i started me1 with lots and whittled them down, then imported one or two into ME2 and did the same thing. eventually i lose interest in some, but i have one playthrough where everyone but Miranda, Legion and Mordin die, and i'll definitely import that into ME3 to see how it goes.

on another note when i changed 360s last year it made importing sheps from ME1 impossible, even with the saves transferred over, and the ME2 default options are awful.