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[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
who here has canon playthroughs where a FEW squad memebers die during the SM? Do NOT include MIRI!

I have (* = personal canon, but I'll import all of them).

maleSheps:
Andrash Shepard, Renegon Sentinel: Garrus, Zaeed and Grunt are dead
Amir Shepard, Paragade Infiltrator: Jack dead
*Cyrus Shepard, Neutral Engineer: Tali dead
Colwyn Shepard, Paragade Adept: no deaths

femSheps:
Louise Shepard, Renegon Soldier: Garrus, Tali and Zaeed dead.
*Rani Shepard, Paragade Engineer: Garrus and Zaeed dead
Rhea Shepard, Paragon Infiltrator: no deaths
May Shepard, Renegade Adept: Miranda, Jacob and Jack survived.

damn you have a lot - i started me1 with lots and whittled them down, then imported one or two into ME2 and did the same thing. eventually i lose interest in some, but i have one playthrough where everyone but Miranda, Legion and Mordin die, and i'll definitely import that into ME3 to see how it goes.

I had even more in ME1, but I discontinued Morgan Shepard, Infiltrator and Kyra Shepard, Soldier because I didn't like their faces and because my femShep/maleShep balance changed because of Miranda. I like I have so many, though playing Arrival with all of them in a sequence was very close to becoming a chore. Two Insanity playthroughs among them, also not exactly easy.


A game where only Miranda, Mordin and Legion survive, hmm...that sounds tempting. I take it these are your favorites? If so, then we share our three favorites 

on another note when i changed 360s last year it made importing sheps from ME1 impossible, even with the saves transferred over, and the ME2 default options are awful.

Did you transfer the whole profile (overwriting the profile on the new machine)? Without the profile file, any transferred saved games will be invisible. With the profile file transferred, any Shepards created on the new machine before the transfer will be invisible. I've faced the same dilemma and lost one Shepard in the process on the PC version, one with a face I liked a lot.

Edit:
On second thought, I seem to recall I could import all my old Shepards just by copying the final saves over, those created automatically whose names consist of the Shepard's final level, some codes for class, origin and psych profile and the date when you finished the game. But I needed to copy them into the ME2 folder manually before I could import them. I don't know how these are stored on the xbox, but on the PC they're in a separate folder in the ME2 config and savegame folder.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 mai 2011 - 10:16 .

[DynamiteDK92]

Jebel Krong wrote...

DynamiteDK92 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

DynamiteDK92 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Admittedly that's not so far from the truth for me. One would think someone like her would long have appeared in SF literature, but that's not so. Not that I know all SF literature, not nearly, but even so the absence is noticeable. Apparently the particular combination of traits would make it more likely that such a woman appears as a villain, and regarding her genetic engineering, apparently the days where SF showed us the chances of technology instead of just the risks are long gone. 

Allow me to introduce http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/
:happy:

His newest trilogy is incomprehensible to me. But his earlier works - yeah, you have a point. He definitely doesn't paint a simplistic picture.

I've heard similar things said about the Void trilogy elsewhere, though I haven't been able to form an opinion myself yet. I'm still working my way through the beginning of The Dreaming Void, with The Temporal Void and The Evolutionary Void sitting on my shelf, waiting for me.
I'm looking forward to his next novel, Great North Road, though.

didn't like the first of the void trilogy - the sci fi bits were great but i hated all the fantasy rubbish, and the 2nd one was weighted more towards that. however Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained are two of the best books i have ever read.

I prefer the Night's Dawn trilogy myself, although I still like the Commonwealth Saga a great deal.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

A game where only Miranda, Mordin and Legion survive, hmm...that sounds tempting. I take it these are your favorites? If so, then we share our three favorites 

on another note when i changed 360s last year it made importing sheps from ME1 impossible, even with the saves transferred over, and the ME2 default options are awful.

Did you transfer the whole profile (overwriting the profile on the new machine)? Without the profile file, any transferred saved games will be invisible. With the profile file transferred, any Shepards created on the new machine before the transfer will be invisible. I've faced the same dilemma and lost one Shepard in the process on the PC version, one with a face I liked a lot.

Edit:
On second thought, I seem to recall I could import all my old Shepards just by copying the final saves over, those created automatically whose names consist of the Shepard's final level, some codes for class, origin and psych profile and the date when you finished the game. But I needed to copy them into the ME2 folder manually before I could import them. I don't know how these are stored on the xbox, but on the PC they're in a separate folder in the ME2 config and savegame folder.

oh yes those 3 are by far my faves 

i believe the system is far more... malleable on pc (which i also have but i dislike pc gaming these days - too much fuss with a kid around. on 360 even transferring over it just doesn't seem to even acknowledge the files even though they're all (still) there. i used a usb drive to transfer everything but installs over - including gamertag/file.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 mai 2011 - 10:39 .

[Jebel Krong]

DynamiteDK92 wrote...
I prefer the Night's Dawn trilogy myself, although I still like the Commonwealth Saga a great deal.

i liked a lot of the night's dawn trilogy, but didn't like the deus ex machina ending and that whole "entropy universe" sub-plot with the annoying ghost-character. nor the unnecessarily grotesque descriptions in places. however the universe was very well-realised as always, i just felt the commonwealth saga was a bit more.... grown-up(?). also apart from paula myo, a lot of Hamilton's female characters aren't all that well written.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 mai 2011 - 10:37 .

[DynamiteDK92]

SgtPotato wrote...


Fixed. 

This picture is bloody amazing!:D:D

@Jebel
I wasn't exactly thrilled about the ending myself either, but overall I still prefer it over the commonwealth.
On a related note I'm considering putting the Void Trilogy on hold to read some of my unread Iain M. Banks novels instead.

Modifié par DynamiteDK92, 16 mai 2011 - 10:56 .

[jtav]

So, I've been reading the s/s romance thread. To my surprise, Miranda is frequently mentioned as a female character who would make a believable bisexual. It surprises me because she has one of the more developed sexual histories in the game. On the other hand, she is always bisexual in my headcanon, whether she's with Matt or Liara. I know some here don't like the idea, but one of my FemSheps would be absolutely perfect for her.

[Prudii Aden]

With Bioware introducing same sex relationships, I just hope they provide something similar to the dialogue wheel icons they brought in in Dragon Age 2. I'd really quite like to avoid any ninja romance this time around.

[mereck7980]

Prudii Aden wrote...

With Bioware introducing same sex relationships, I just hope they provide something similar to the dialogue wheel icons they brought in in Dragon Age 2. I'd really quite like to avoid any ninja romance this time around.

I have wondered how they would deal with this too.  The look of the ME dialog wheel has become iconic, so part of me says they wouldn't want to redesign its apperance to give you an icon that identifies a type of response. 

Personally I like the fact that the dialog options are fairly ambiguous.  It makes you think more about the choice you are going to make instead going the "my Shepard is a lighthearted jokester so I am going to almost always pick the comic response" route.  

[Ieldra]

I'll say the same thing here as in that thread: I'd prefer it if Miranda would not be retconned into being bi, but I could live with it. Provided that they don't make her romance more generic because of it. I'd like the f/f and the m/f romances to play and feel a bit different, because in the end, they are different types of relationships. Taking the same lines and just switching the sexual orientation flag when initiatiing the romance, that won't do.

I also agree that the romance options must be clearly marked as such. Color them in pink for all I care, just make them recognizable.

[MisterJB]

The one thing I fear about the sudden introduction of same sex romances is the possiblity of twisting the character's personality in order to fit s/s romances.
For example, I think Tali could very easily be bissexual, she and Shepard are already from different species, after all. She will eve mention the link suit to Femshep and the reasons that led her to not pursue the romance could be because she is young, not sexually experienced enough to realize she's bi or even because homossexual relationship are most likely frowned upon by the dying Quarian race.
Miranda, on the other hand, is mature, confident and old enough to know just what is her sexuality. She doesn't seem the type of person that, were she attracted to Femshep, would avoid pursuing a romance just because they are of the same sex. And I don't buy the excuse that Miranda tought Femshep was straigth; because Miranda had to learn everything there is to know about Shepard for the Lazarus Project, so she would know Shepard's sexual preferences. There's also Jacob and the Ipartner thing but those are what matter the least, IMO.
Hopefully, if Miranda turns out ot be bi in ME3, Bioware can at least come up with a reason as to why she wouldn't pursue a romance with Femshep in ME2 that doesn't chance key aspects of the character's personality.

aeetos21 wrote...
And there's a reason why Miranda wouldn't be with Shep at the beginning, after going through everything they did together she'd be very POed with Shepard. Maybe one of those: "You selfish bastard! Fine then, go to that sham of a trial. I'll be out here, making a damned difference!"

I think Miranda would understand that Shepard is going to the trial in order to prevent a Human-Batarian war and the trial could even be used to warn the Galaxy about the Reapers.
Shepard standing trial is an act of selflessness.

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

As much as like that idea - she needs her own space.

Aww, but she can work from there and, knowying the Alliance, Shepard's quarters will be the only ones with a bed.
You don't want Miranda to sleep in...wherever it is Jacob sleeps in.

Modifié par MisterJB, 16 mai 2011 - 02:55 .

[jtav]

MisterJB, I disagree slightly. Miranda is hesitant to begin a relationship with any Shep. As a lark, I ran a MaleShep as was able to avoid any flirtation. No "the mission is too important to let personal feelings interfere" or talk about admiring her body. Shepard has to make that first move. Heck, I'd love it if she shot me down. At least the possibility would be acknowledged.

[Prudii Aden]

The only major difference between the dialogue wheels in Mass Effect & Dragon Age is that the Dragon Age wheel has icons relating to the rough tone of the response, which Mass Effect doesn't.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
If we are speculating on new locations for Miranda in an Alliance controlled Normandy, I would like to propose the captain's quarters.

As much as like that idea - she needs her own space.

Aww, but she can work from there and, knowying the Alliance, Shepard's quarters will be the only ones with a bed.
You don't want Miranda to sleep in...wherever it is Jacob sleeps in.

I'll kick whoever has *usurped* her office out of it as soon as I can. Those two rooms with that nice bed and the window into deep space belong to Miranda. In my mind, that's where the romance scene takes place. 

[naledgeborn]

I don't want s/s from already established characters. If the writers wanted to make anyone of the existing characters gay, lesbian, or bisexual they' passed up that chance 2 games ago. Retconning usually ends with bad writing. If they ruin Miranda or anybody for that matter to cater to a minority I will not forgive them. If they want to introduce 60 new s/s romances in ME3, by all means. But leave the existing characters alone. It would really tick me off if Miranda says "by the way I think Liara is sexy" to my canon Shep. Even in Fem Shep's case "I think you're sexy...[insert flirtatious dialogue]" would really ruin the character for me and by extension the game.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 mai 2011 - 01:37 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Miranda questioning her sexuality NOW? Nah...not possible. She's by far the most convincing (and drop dead sexy) bi girl in the entire series. As a matter of fact, it's not retconning if she's bi in ME3, given that t3HPrO has already posted a video of his Megan Shepard having the sex talk (with all the dialog fully voiced out) with Mordin, which proves that BW was going to make Miranda bi, but someone remembered foxnews.

Damn those stuffy 51 year old virgins.

[naledgeborn]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Miranda questioning her sexuality NOW? Nah...not possible. She's by far the most convincing (and drop dead sexy) bi girl in the entire series. As a matter of fact, it's not retconning if she's bi in ME3, given that t3HPrO has already posted a video of his Megan Shepard having the sex talk (with all the dialog fully voiced out) with Mordin, which proves that BW was going to make Miranda bi, but someone remembered foxnews.

Damn those stuffy 51 year old virgins.

Nah, Siha it's game breaking for me. I get it there's lots of ladies out there that want an s/s romance with Miranda. I don't blame you...it's Miranda afterall. But it's game breaking. Just like the Garrus and Tali romance. I don't know what I have to do to prove to people on these message boards that I'm not a homophobe or whatever. I'm a very tolerant person. I have to be being, a Musilm in the United States I understand what it's like to be marginalized because of bullsh*t. But this is story breaking for me. And is much as I love the gameplay of the Mass Effect series.....it's the story that's MOST important to me.

I'm not trying to sound like a stuffy 51 year old virgin. This is how I feel, stricly from a narrative point of view.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Provided that they don't make her romance more generic because of it. 

and there lies the rub. this is the area likely to suffer from opening them up because making everything unique takes so much more effort.

[MisterJB]

jtav: That could be if you consider "It's funny, I think of you as all business. Good to see that there's a person under there." as Shepard flirting. I do not.
Obviously,the game does but the game also tells me that the reason I blew up the Base is because I don't want fear to compromise who I am.

Katie:I can post a video of MaleShepard saying to Liara "You're interested in me? Even tough we're both women?". With Mark Meer's voice.
They give Meer and Hale the exact same script and then just cut the parts that they don't need. Unless the dialoge differs from ManShep to Femshep, that's not much of a proof.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'll kick whoever has *usurped* her office out of it as soon as I can.

If you can. I am hopefull that since we will be able to roleplay against the Alliance(), that we will also be able to make the life of the Usurper a living hell.

Modifié par MisterJB, 16 mai 2011 - 02:08 .

[Jebel Krong]

hmm don't forget they are re-doing parts of the normandy, so expect some rooms to be changed.

edit: i'm hoping you can RP pro-council, against the alliance and goddamn cerberus. actually scratch that, tolerate the council, but more pro-me (ab)using my SPECTRE status... 

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 16 mai 2011 - 02:32 .

[gatordude731]

ok, I'm new to this thread but I just wanted to know if Miranda being infertile (i.e. Shadow Broker Dossier) is a big deal for you guys? For some reason it bothers me that Bioware would put slip this in ever so discreetly into there. I still will have her as my main LI in ME3 but I just wanted to know what you guys think?

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

naledgeborn wrote...
Nah, Siha it's game breaking for me. I get it there's lots of ladies out there that want an s/s romance with Miranda. I don't blame you...it's Miranda afterall. But it's game breaking. Just like the Garrus and Tali romance. I don't know what I have to do to prove to people on these message boards that I'm not a homophobe or whatever. I'm a very tolerant person. I have to be being, a Musilm in the United States I understand what it's like to be marginalized because of bullsh*t. But this is story breaking for me. And is much as I love the gameplay of the Mass Effect series.....it's the story that's MOST important to me.

I'm not trying to sound like a stuffy 51 year old virgin. This is how I feel, stricly from a narrative point of view.

I get it and I understand. I don't see how it'd break the story though...

BTW, I wasn't referring to anybody but foxnews as stuffy 51 year old virgins, so take it easy honey.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Katie:I can post a video of MaleShepard saying to Liara "You're interested in me? Even tough we're both women?". With Mark Meer's voice.
They give Meer and Hale the exact same script and then just cut the parts that they don't need. Unless the dialoge differs from ManShep to Femshep, that's not much of a proof.

WTFHAXBBQ?!! ManShep WHAT?!

No, really? Oh my God. Awkward moment 101...

[jtav]

The infertility doesn't bother me, except for worrying that they will handle it badly. I don't care about her being able to pass on her genes, and she can adopt.

[Blarty]

gatordude731 wrote...

ok, I'm new to this thread but I just wanted to know if Miranda being infertile (i.e. Shadow Broker Dossier) is a big deal for you guys? For some reason it bothers me that Bioware would put slip this in ever so discreetly into there. I still will have her as my main LI in ME3 but I just wanted to know what you guys think?

I often wonder if the Shadow Broker didn't just gather information but alter it in situ as well, I can't remember off the top of my head whether the info about Miranda's fertility was a discussion transcript, or an email from the doctor to her.....
... surely one of the most powerful information brokers in the galaxy didn't just sell and trade Information but also manipulated it to their own ends?

[Blarty]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

A game where only Miranda, Mordin and Legion survive, hmm...that sounds tempting. I take it these are your favorites? If so, then we share our three favorites 

oh yes those 3 are by far my faves 

Jinx! Top three faves as well... though Garrus is a close-runner....