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[jtav]

And the Reapers try to use the implants to turn him into Saren 2.0.

I'm of two minds about the infertility. My writer brain wants her to create her own children because it shows she's come to terms with her issues, but my real life morals brain wants her to adopt. I hate Miranda's genetic engineering about as much as Ieldra likes it.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

And the Reapers try to use the implants to turn him into Saren 2.0.

I'm of two minds about the infertility. My writer brain wants her to create her own children because it shows she's come to terms with her issues, but my real life morals brain wants her to adopt. I hate Miranda's genetic engineering about as much as Ieldra likes it.

Why then and not during ME2?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 16 mai 2011 - 09:14 .

[Homebound]

555 pages, congrats miri-fans!


She wants YOU
to join Cerberus.

A victory for Cerberus, is a victory for humankind.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 16 mai 2011 - 10:16 .

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Adoption is not the same. She wouldn't be able to pass on her gifts, and that would bother me greatly.

But there's a solution to that problem: artificial gametogenesis - the creation of viable eggs from normal stem cells. We can't do it yet, but it would surprise me if that wasn't involved in creating Miranda. Then use IVF and there are several scenarios for what follows. It would bother Miranda that she can't have children the natural way, but it's highly implausible that she can't have any biological children at all, and using advanced biotechnology would be a decisive sign that she's made peace with her origins, even if she doesn't engineer anything new in. Anyway the result would be a child with a random mix of its parents' genes, just like any child, only the methods of getting there would differ. If they want it that way - I'd leave it to every players' imagination to decide if they'd make sure their children get Miranda's longevity, accelerated healing and faster learning ability.

That's true. Considering she has no mother, I'd guess that's how Miranda was created. Especially considering the fact we know about that concept now, there's no reason (in theory) that by the 2150s, it won't be possible.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

*sigh*   (drools)

....even though for me she QUITS Cerberus.



WHAT A WOMAN....

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 16 mai 2011 - 10:38 .

[gatordude731]

DAT BODY!....now I remember why I chose her over Ashley...thank you for the reminder

[atheelogos]

Hellbound555 wrote...

555 pages, congrats miri-fans!


She wants YOU
to join Cerberus.

A victory for Cerberus, is a victory for humankind.

nice pic, but I don't like the boots...

[Vertigo_1]

Vague Response from Patrick Weekes about LotSB dossiers:

twitter.com/#!/patsquinade/status/70206990537863168

_Vertigo_1 Ted (yeah my name is Ted)
@patsquinade "I heard you were part of the LotSB team, great DLC! A question though, are the dossiers on squad-mates canon? (Jack, Miranda)"

Patrick Weekes
@_Vertigo_1 "we don't break 4th wall, so anything in game is canonical... but SB could have bad intel, or be misinterpreting data."

SB having bad Intel on the letter Miranda receives about her fertility? That just doesn't seem likely to me...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 mai 2011 - 04:02 .

[Td1984]

Venix117 wrote...

TomY90 wrote...

Venix117 wrote...

Guys just something i noticed the final season of Chuck (Season 5, 13 episodes) which obviously stars Mirnada's Voice actor and moedel the lovley Yvonne Strahovski is not airing untill 2012. So does this mean Yvonne will have more time to voice Miranda? more time meaning more voice acting meaning bigger role? Maybe im just being hopefull

Yvonne is currently filming My Mothers Curse currently which films usually take a very long time to film couple that with voice acting with mass effect 3 (very likely) and that makes her very busy this year.

and Zachary Levi is currently filming Tower heist and Alvin and the chipmunks this year (very busy as well)

and Adam Baldwin currently has nothing from what I know of. (Big role for Kal Reegar?)

so its pretty much held back because most of the actors/actresses have scheduled film shoots and voice acting sessions so they have to delay it to a later date due to that

Ah snap, i just read it assumed that filming for Chuck wouldn't happen for a while yet so she would have more time : ( but i shall remain hopefull

Sorry to burst any bubbles, but Chuck is returning in the Fall. We'll just have to hope Yvonne's movie part isn't that big.

[Ieldra]

Td1984 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Adoption is not the same. She wouldn't be able to pass on her gifts, and that would bother me greatly.

But there's a solution to that problem: artificial gametogenesis - the creation of viable eggs from normal stem cells. We can't do it yet, but it would surprise me if that wasn't involved in creating Miranda. Then use IVF and there are several scenarios for what follows. It would bother Miranda that she can't have children the natural way, but it's highly implausible that she can't have any biological children at all, and using advanced biotechnology would be a decisive sign that she's made peace with her origins, even if she doesn't engineer anything new in. Anyway the result would be a child with a random mix of its parents' genes, just like any child, only the methods of getting there would differ. If they want it that way - I'd leave it to every players' imagination to decide if they'd make sure their children get Miranda's longevity, accelerated healing and faster learning ability.

That's true. Considering she has no mother, I'd guess that's how Miranda was created. Especially considering the fact we know about that concept now, there's no reason (in theory) that by the 2150s, it won't be possible.

For those who didn't pick that tidbit up in the Miranda Lawson FAQ:

I'm still wondering if it is a coincidence that if you look "artificial gametogenesis" up in google, the first substantial entry you find is a paper written by one Mr. Lawson.

[Td1984]

Also, regarding Yvonne, keep in mind that Chuck wrapped up shooting for the season back in mid-April (14th I think) so it's plausible that she's been shooting her movie role since then and it's only now been leaked that she has a part (it has only been a month).

OR

She's already been to the BioWare Headquarters, recorded her lines and unlike Seth Green and Tricia Helfer has kept mum about it.

Just thought I'd do some damage control before people start freaking out.

@Ieldra2
Nice catch. Didn't think to Google it. We may have an indication that Miri & Shep may be able to have kids after all and also how Miranda's last name came to be (other than to change it to more fit her Aussie accent).

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Vague Response from Patrick Weekes about LotSB dossiers:

twitter.com/#!/patsquinade/status/70206990537863168

_Vertigo_1 Ted (yeah my name is Ted)
@patsquinade "I heard you were part of the LotSB team, great DLC! A question though, are the dossiers on squad-mates canon? (Jack, Miranda)"

Patrick Weekes
@_Vertigo_1 "we don't break 4th wall, so anything in game is canonical... but SB could have bad intel, or be misinterpreting data."

SB having bad Intel on the letter Miranda receives about her fertility? That just doesn't seem likely to me...

Oh, there are many ways how that info may have been wrong. It all depends on where and how the SB network got the intel. It may, for instance, refer to a different Miranda Lawson. The doctor might be incompetent (In fact, I think he is anyway, because it's implausible that Miranda would have to resort to adoption with ME's level of biotechnology). The dossier may be translated and phrased differently in the original. It may be a red herring used to cover more important intel. The agent who retrieved that data may have lost what he originally wanted to report and made something up to cover his failure. The doctor may have been in TIM's pockets who saw a benefit in making Miranda believe she's infertile. And so on....

If you want any part of the information in the dossier to be faulty, there are many scenarios where it could plausibly be.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2011 - 08:41 .

[Blarty]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Hmm I can see that happening...but wouldn't she try and fix it before saying "you have to die"? (Especially if you romanced her)
She knows more about Lazarus than anyone else right?

He was also on the Reaper ship and on the same base that had the Reaper artifact for two days.  Wouldn't that have given him some side-effects? Wouldn't he notice it?

Don't get me wrong here I definately think theres more to Lazarus than we know especially what those "bits and pieces" they added to him are.

That is a very real possibility, but also there's the issue of the Eden Prime Beacon and the effects it had on Shepard's mind. Indoctrination in ME1 and ME2 is very specific to humans and probably the human psyche... if the Beacon altered that by implanting some 'Prothean ' gubbins (technical term) then perhaps Shepard is essentially invisible to whatever causes indoctrination

Modifié par Blarty, 17 mai 2011 - 08:59 .

[Blarty]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Vague Response from Patrick Weekes about LotSB dossiers:

twitter.com/#!/patsquinade/status/70206990537863168

_Vertigo_1 Ted (yeah my name is Ted)
@patsquinade "I heard you were part of the LotSB team, great DLC! A question though, are the dossiers on squad-mates canon? (Jack, Miranda)"

Patrick Weekes
@_Vertigo_1 "we don't break 4th wall, so anything in game is canonical... but SB could have bad intel, or be misinterpreting data."

SB having bad Intel on the letter Miranda receives about her fertility? That just doesn't seem likely to me...

As I mentioned previously, the previous SB was a being of dubious morals and ethics.... is there not a chance that he seeds false information or changes information to suit his own ends, just like TIM intercepts the 'Turian distress call'

[Dave666]

This is not meant as an attack on you guys, but one thing thats got me curious. You obviously like Miranda's character and thats fine, if we all liked the same things the world would be boring indeed, but my question is how did you get past the whole 'Miranda wanting to put a control chip in Shep' thing? Sure she changes a bit during ME:2 but a character that wants to do something like that to you? I just can't see her changing that much. Just curious, not meant to be insulting and I hope that comes across.

[Ieldra]

Regarding Miranda's infertility, I've done some research into the current state of technologies for assisted reproduction. The following quote sums things up for non-specialists:

In summary, rapid progress has been achieved over the last few years in creating cells ‘artificially’ that have parameters similar to gametes. The method suggested originally, i.e. using ‘haploidization’ of diploid somatic cells to gain haploid cells, has faced several challenges and has achieved little progress. At the same time, research exploring the special features of stem cell has progressed rapidly and shows great promise. It may be predicted that in only a few years time, fully functioning human gametes may be generated in vitro that are capable of fertilization and sustaining further embryonic development.

Source:
Nagy ZP et al.: Development of Artificial Gametes. In: Reproductive Biomedicine Online 16(4) (2008), 539-544.

While the conclusion of "in a few years" may be overly optimistic, the article does show that the obstacles are of a kind that can be overcome by more research. Note that this is from a peer-reviewed journal, not fringe science. If any of you want to read the complete article - most of you won't have access to the full text, but I can check if I'm allowed to mail you a copy.

What this means is this: it is extremely implausible that Miranda cannot have children that are genetically hers and some partner's in the ME universe, even if you only take commonly known technology into account. Using her father's methods would make more options available, such as ensuring that their children inherit Miranda's longevity, accelerated healing and faster learning, to list only those traits likely to be non-controversial.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2011 - 11:07 .

[Ieldra]

Dave666 wrote...
This is not meant as an attack on you guys, but one thing thats got me curious. You obviously like Miranda's character and thats fine, if we all liked the same things the world would be boring indeed, but my question is how did you get past the whole 'Miranda wanting to put a control chip in Shep' thing? Sure she changes a bit during ME:2 but a character that wants to do something like that to you? I just can't see her changing that much. Just curious, not meant to be insulting and I hope that comes across.

I think the control chip was never meant to take permanant control of Shepard's actions. After all, they wanted his personality intact, that's what the whole project was about. The control chip was meant to be a failsafe, for instance in case Shepard wakes up and goes berserk with all his enhanced capabilities after finding out he's in a Cerberus station, or in case his mind broke down and he went berserk for no reason at all. Sure that's not nice, and it raises the question of what *else* they would have done after using the control chip had proven necessary, but it is a failsafe I can see myself implementing in a similar situation. I have no problems with it. 

And btw, the fact that Shepard is the potential victim changes nothing. If I can see myself using it as a failsafe, I can also accept that others use it as a failsafe on me. Don't take me wrong - the whole idea that I might be conditioned into a behaviour by something someone put into my head feels terrible. But first, it didn't happen, and second, it is a reasonable measure. In fact, I applaud Miranda for thinking of it. The technology was completely new, there was no way to tell what would happen.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2011 - 11:07 .

[Blarty]

Dave666 wrote...

This is not meant as an attack on you guys, but one thing thats got me curious. You obviously like Miranda's character and thats fine, if we all liked the same things the world would be boring indeed, but my question is how did you get past the whole 'Miranda wanting to put a control chip in Shep' thing? Sure she changes a bit during ME:2 but a character that wants to do something like that to you? I just can't see her changing that much. Just curious, not meant to be insulting and I hope that comes across.

Miranda is quite distrusting of Shepard at first, remembering from ME1 how Shepard has many side missions against Cerberus, and views everything, not just Shepard, in a very cold and clinical fashion.... she's not saying that to offend you, she's just saying what she would have done, given the facts at her disposal, and the fact the mission has to be under the Alliance's radar. After a few missions, I think Horizon, she starts believing in your abilities, and begins to trust you.

Also the attack on Lazarus Station meant that she's unsure to your psyche at the point of being woken up, what if Shepard became some form of murderous bloodthirsty animal on waking up? I think it's clear that Miranda initially has doubts over TIMs faith in the Lazarus Project and Shepard....

[Prudii Aden]

I consider the control chip thing a non - issue. Yes, she said she wanted to put one in, however a) she was overruled, and she was honest about it. You can go down the 'what if' route if you like, but all you'll end up doing is going around in circles and possibly ending up a nervous wreck.

[MisterJB]

We should also think about the scale of the whole situation. Humans were dissapearing by the hundreds of thousands and Cerberus spent billions of credits rebuilding Shepard (without counting the Normandy) and placed the faith of the entire Human race on the hands of just one man.
Mirada was fully commited to Cerberus at the time and she didn't share TIM's faith on Shepard, she honestly tought Shepard was going to screw everything after all the resources Cerberus poured on him. So, her idea was completely reasonable and just proves how commited she truly is to the protection of humanity
And let's not forget that Shepard had destroyed several Cerberus projects in ME1. If I had to bring Saren back to life in order to stop the Reapers, I would put a control chip on his brain just as a precaution
I migth remove eventually and I think Miranda, after Shepard proved his worth and gained her trust, would have removed Shepard's control chip.
If people can forgive Zevran for trying to kill your Warden, why not forgive Miranda for wanting to exert some influence over Shepard?

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 mai 2011 - 11:27 .

[wright1978]

I didn't see the fact Miranda wanted to implant a control chip in my Sheps head as anything more than a worry about stepping out into unknown terrority without an escape hatch in place. All through the game she's shown as being risk averse whether its releasing grunt or going through the relay early. I like that she's a good counterpoint on Shepherd who for me is often a risk taker.

On a side note I dislike that control chip conversation not because of that comment but for the fact you choose the option to say goodbye at the end and Shepherd throws a tantrum no matter what because she's frosty towards him.

[Blarty]

wright1978 wrote...

On a side note I dislike that control chip conversation not because of that comment but for the fact you choose the option to say goodbye at the end and Shepherd throws a tantrum no matter what because she's frosty towards him.

That's because he already likes her 

[LuxDragon]

^ QFT

[jtav]

Or he legitimately dislikes her and they only grow on each other later. If she had gotten her way, I'd probably kill her every single time. A control chip would be morally despicable and inexcusable.

[Caihn]

MisterJB wrote...

We should also think about the scale of the whole situation. Humans were dissapearing by the hundreds of thousands and Cerberus spent billions of credits rebuilding Shepard (without counting the Normandy) and placed the faith of the entire Human race on the hands of just one man.
Mirada was fully commited to Cerberus at the time and she didn't share TIM's faith on Shepard, she honestly tought Shepard was going to screw everything after all the resources Cerberus poured on him. So, her idea was completely reasonable and just proves how commited she truly is to the protection of humanity
And let's not forget that Shepard had destroyed several Cerberus projects in ME1. If I had to bring Saren back to life in order to stop the Reapers, I would put a control chip on his brain just as a precaution
I migth remove eventually and I think Miranda, after Shepard proved his worth and gained her trust, would have removed Shepard's control chip.
If people can forgive Zevran for trying to kill your Warden, why not forgive Miranda for wanting to exert some influence over Shepard?

I agree.