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[Td1984]

PMC65 wrote...

You know, I 'd like to get wound up over the whole "control chip" thing ... except after fighting reapers, rachni, husks, clones of an asari, losing two years, beacon zapped, etc. etc. ... Just not rating high enough on his "worry over" list.  

If the mass effect world was real and I was in Shepard's shoes? I'm not sure I would even want to be brought back ... Scratch that, I wouldn't want to come back. And after my first round with a Scion I would never be seen again.  

QFT. Same goes for a Praetorian. Hate those things too.

[PMC65]

Td1984 wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

You know, I 'd like to get wound up over the whole "control chip" thing ... except after fighting reapers, rachni, husks, clones of an asari, losing two years, beacon zapped, etc. etc. ... Just not rating high enough on his "worry over" list.  

If the mass effect world was real and I was in Shepard's shoes? I'm not sure I would even want to be brought back ... Scratch that, I wouldn't want to come back. And after my first round with a Scion I would never be seen again.  

QFT. Same goes for a Praetorian. Hate those things too.

I hated those as well!

I can see it now, hiding behind Miranda on Horizon as she and Zaeed shoots the enemies. I would be crying the whole time ... as in mental breakdown. By the time Ashley came around the corner I would be blabbering like an idiot, bruises from where Miranda kept bumping into me and urine down my leg. 

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Almost every supposedly immoral action depends on the circumstance, and the law recognises it. For example, if I were to kill someone, but I had a gun pointed at me the whole time and the guy with the gun demands that I kill that someone, I wouldn't be charged for murder. As a matter of fact, I would most likely be exonerated.

Same thing wih the control chip. Miranda didn't know if Shepard, given his history of blowing up anaything Cerberus, would go bat**** insane when he woke up and kill everyone, Miranda included. Thus, the need for self preservation put the control chip in a morally grey area instead of just plain evil. Also, if Shepard did anything that risked the galaxy, Miranda could reign him back in. Much better to have one person implanted with a control chip that to have trillions dead because said control chip wasn't implanted.

Modifié par MsSihaKatieKrios, 18 mai 2011 - 05:56 .

[Made Nightwing]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Almost every supposedly immoral action depends on the circumstance, and the law recognises it. For example, if I were to kill someone, but I had a gun pointed at me the whole time and the guy with the gun demands that I kill that someone, I wouldn't be charged for murder. As a matter of fact, I would most likely be exonerated.

Same thing wih the control chip. Miranda didn't know if Shepard, given his history of blowing up anaything Cerberus, would go bat**** insane when he woke up and kill everyone, Miranda included. Thus, the need for self preservation put the control chip in a morally grey area instead of just plain evil. Also, if Shepard did anything that risked the galaxy, Miranda could reign him back in. Much better to have one person implanted with a control chip that to have trillions dead because said control chip wasn't implanted.

Katie, you crazy shipper I have tracked you down at last. Agree completely. I liked the grey area that Cerberus was in ME2. Making them the villains in ME3 is a little disappointing. I hope they have a good reason.

[Blarty]

Well there is the other idea that she had no intention of planting a control chip anyway, she was just jealous of the attention that TIM poured into getting Shepard back.... She works for TIM for years climbing the ranks to be told, hey you're not good enough, get this dead person back....
It's essentially a strong comment that is said with intention to be controversial. And at this point, Miranda has no intention of being friends with Shepard, she's just seen the project she worked on for two years go up in a huge explosion and she has no idea whether Shepard is capable (mentally) or would be even willing to do what TIM wants him to do - Miranda really doesn't like flying blind.

Quite a few characters have something morally dubious about them. Mordin has his work in the Genophage, Jack is a killer with near no remorse, Garrus went rogue, Tali sent Geth back to the Fleet, Zaeed's a hired gun and founder of one of the biggest galactic crime gangs..... When looked at objectively, a single somment from Miranda about a control chip is hardly something to get in a tizz over,

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Made Nightwing wrote...
Katie, you crazy shipper I have tracked you down at last.

*screams in terror as she ducks into the closet*

Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

[Blarty]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Made Nightwing wrote...
Katie, you crazy shipper I have tracked you down at last.

*screams in terror as she ducks into the closet*

Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

Yes I wonder where they can take Tali and Garrus' story arcs now.... well it's not 'everyone else' thought it's actually 'anyone who likes ME2 characters more than ME1 characters' at the moment.... this will hopefully change at E3, but given that most of the ME1 characters aren't the ones on the cutting room floor, I fear that the fan base accrued in ME2 - which lets face it, is a lot bigger than the fan base that sprouted from ME1 - is going to be give a little bit of a cold shoulder.<_<

[Ieldra]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...
Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

This.

I'm beginning to resent the whole ME1 team. I'll be calling the one who gets Miranda's office by no other name than "the usurper" and by the time ME3 comes out, I'll have no one left I like on my starting team because I hate them for having stolen the spotlight.

It's really troubling that Bioware repeatedly wriggled out of the question of the fate of Miranda and the other ME2 team members. It hints at answers we might not like. Something like "Yes, depending on your choices and LI status, she may join you for more than one or two missions" would totally remove my concerns, while refusing to say that hints that we'll not see a lot of her.

Damn Tali (who I used to like for most of two games). Thrice damn Garrus. Liara, isn't being the SB a full-time job? Ashley and Kaidan, yeah, I really like you both but if you take Miranda's place you're just The Usurper.

[xelander]

EDIT: ha,I'm too slow

@Siha Katie
Yeah, well, Garrus and Tali had a foundation already from ME1, they could go straight to building upon it.

My gripe is more with the writers being lazy - if they doubled the number of squad members they should've also doubled the amount of work put into them, not spread the same writing from 6 characters on 12. Ashley and Miranda are two of my favorite characters (aside from one badass krogan mercenary SOB), but Ashley feels more substantial to me, not to mention that Miri's presentation is sometimes schizophrenic (or rather, violates the "show, don't tel"l rule)

@Blarty
Come on, Miranda may be a bit jealous, but she's enough intelligent and self-aware to not be petty when humanity's very existence is at stake.

EDIT2:
@Ieldra
Not resenting the ME1 team, but I do feel they made a mistake making Liara perma squaddie, being the Shadow Broker is a 24/7 job, nay, 48/7... I mean look at Wrex - I can fully understand him being only a temp squad member.
Oh, and the whole Talimancer disaster makes me like her character less and less, on a purely irrational level. And I started from a pretty high point in ME1...

I do choose to remain optimist where Miri is concerned, though, I hope BW is keeping silent because of something awesome being in the works.

Modifié par xelander, 18 mai 2011 - 08:39 .

[Blarty]

xelander wrote...

@Blarty
Come on, Miranda may be a bit jealous, but she's enough intelligent and self-aware to not be petty when humanity's very existence is at stake.

I'm just trying to say that there's many ways to interpret her frostiness with Shepard at the beginning. Certainly at the beginning she likes to be very situation aware, and objective with everything; she views Shepard as a big risk.

Unfortunately, many people get hung up on the Control chip comment, which in my playthrough is nothing more than a quip of irrelevance akin to 'I'm here to keep an eye on you, from a Cerberus standpoint'... of course later on it becomes '... from a personal standpoint'

The problem that I think a lot of people have with Miranda is that this comment is said nearly 10 minutes into her dialogue after meeting her, when you're still making decisions about her character and whether you relate to her as a character... conversely you don't find out about Mordin's hand in the Genophage til much further on in your playthrough, when you've probably made different decisions about his character and are more likely to be more forgiving of that flaw.

Modifié par Blarty, 18 mai 2011 - 08:51 .

[Prudii Aden]

That line is either in the conversation you have with her on Lazarus station or just after your initial chat with Mr Illusive.

As far as any usurpation goes, the air around my Shepard(s) when dealing with them is likely to be colder than deep space. Icy just doesn't cover it. Especially if it's the survivor, although of the pair of them Kaidan has more leeway, largely because he didn't make heavily implied accusations of treason.

[Jebel Krong]

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

that has been very annoying, especially as the casual crowd clearly aren't going to rate those characters nearly as importantly as the rabid fanbases here (who could do with it being drawn out a little more).

that said i'm more concerned about the impact on s/s romances on the quality of all the relationships in the game as far as proper development time goes than anything else - there was a lot to keep track of even before that announcement (i'm not against s/s romances in general, although drastic changes to pre-existing characters would be immersion-breaking).

[Ieldra]

Jebel Krong wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

that has been very annoying, especially as the casual crowd clearly aren't going to rate those characters nearly as importantly as the rabid fanbases here (who could do with it being drawn out a little more).

Exactly. And I'm even more pissed that the kind of people who said that they'd pimp Miranda to Batarians if the game let them and thought that funny (I still have their names listed somewhere. Yes, I hold grudges) get rewarded by seeing their favorite being a permanent team member in all three games. There has been some Tali hate here, but nothing nearly on that level.

Perhaps that's bound to change if this blatant favoritism continues.

that said i'm more concerned about the impact on s/s romances on the quality of all the relationships in the game as far as proper development time goes than anything else - there was a lot to keep track of even before that announcement (i'm not against s/s romances in general, although drastic changes to pre-existing characters would be immersion-breaking).

I've read there are either recorded or written but not recorded lines (don't recall which) in the game for a femShep/Miranda romance. So it's not as if they hadn't thought of that before. I'd hugely prefer a straight Miranda for the same reasons are you, but I'm not too concerned at the moment.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 11:46 .

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Anyways, I'm still pissed about the massive amount of Nerd Pandering BW has given to the Garrus and Tali fans while everyone else has nearly nothing.

that has been very annoying, especially as the casual crowd clearly aren't going to rate those characters nearly as importantly as the rabid fanbases here (who could do with it being drawn out a little more).

Exactly. And I'm even more pissed that the kind of people who said that they'd pimp Miranda to Batarians if the game let them and thought that funny (I still have their names listed somewhere. Yes, I hold grudges) get rewarded by seeing their favorite being a permanent team member in all three games. There has been some Tali hate here, but nothing nearly on that level.

that said i'm more concerned about the impact on s/s romances on the quality of all the relationships in the game as far as proper development time goes than anything else - there was a lot to keep track of even before that announcement (i'm not against s/s romances in general, although drastic changes to pre-existing characters would be immersion-breaking).

I've read there are either recorded or written but not recorded lines (don't recall which) in the game for a femShep/Miranda romance. So it's not as if they hadn't thought of that before. I'd hugely prefer a straight Miranda for the same reasons are you, but I'm not too concerned at the moment.

I have to admit hearing about people wanting Miranda to be pimped out to Batarians made me chuckle.

[Jebel Krong]

meh people say a lot of things if they think they aren't going to be held accountable. that sort of situation would never happen anyway.

as for the recorded lines - i'm sure that's either a script thing or they considered it in-game too, but the fact that it wasn't doesn't mean they should overcompensate now. what someone does in their own game is their business, i just don't want it to compromise my character interaction/conversations/depth etc etc. because they were trying to accommodate too much and too many people, is all.

[Ieldra]

Elyvern just reminded me of what was done to Anders from DAO:Awakenings to DA2. If such a thing happens to Miranda I'll scream.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 12:34 .

[MisterJB]

Blarty wrote...

Well there is the other idea that she had no intention of planting a control chip anyway, she was just jealous of the attention that TIM poured into getting Shepard back.... She works for TIM for years climbing the ranks to be told, hey you're not good enough, get this dead person back....

I think it's less about TIM's attention and more about Shepar being a "genetic mutt" while she went through to Hell to become the perfect Human Being.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I've read there are either recorded or written but not recorded lines (don't recall which) in the game for a femShep/Miranda romance. So it's not as if they hadn't thought of that before. I'd hugely prefer a straight Miranda for the same reasons are you, but I'm not too concerned at the moment.

You can find voice recordings of Jennifer Hale talking about Miranda when Mordins gives his sex advice (if there's more, please correct me).
However, that's not much of a proof considering that you can also find recordings of Mark Meer saying to Liara "You want a relationship with me? Even tough we're both women?"(Shepard has issues)
I'm guessing they just give Hale and Meer the same script and cut the parts they don't need afterwards, those two just happened to end up on the game by mistake.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern just reminded me of what was done to Anders from DAO:Awakenings to DA2. If such a thing happens to Miranda I'll scream.

Am I the only person in BSN who liked that change?

[atheelogos]

MisterJB wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Well there is the other idea that she had no intention of planting a control chip anyway, she was just jealous of the attention that TIM poured into getting Shepard back.... She works for TIM for years climbing the ranks to be told, hey you're not good enough, get this dead person back....

I think it's less about TIM's attention and more about Shepar being a "genetic mutt" while she went through to Hell to become the perfect Human Being.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I've read there are either recorded or written but not recorded lines (don't recall which) in the game for a femShep/Miranda romance. So it's not as if they hadn't thought of that before. I'd hugely prefer a straight Miranda for the same reasons are you, but I'm not too concerned at the moment.

You can find voice recordings of Jennifer Hale talking about Miranda when Mordins gives his sex advice (if there's more, please correct me).
However, that's not much of a proof considering that you can also find recordings of Mark Meer saying to Liara "You want a relationship with me? Even tough we're both women?"(Shepard has issues)
I'm guessing they just give Hale and Meer the same script and cut the parts they don't need afterwards, those two just happened to end up on the game by mistake.

Ieldra2 wrote...

Elyvern just reminded me of what was done to Anders from DAO:Awakenings to DA2. If such a thing happens to Miranda I'll scream.

Am I the only person in BSN who liked that change?

"Am I the only person in BSN who liked that change?" Yes u are

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Something like "Yes, depending on your choices and LI status, she may join you for more than one or two missions" would totally remove my concerns, while refusing to say that hints that we'll not see a lot of her.

I posted my idea of what could happen to Miranda in ME3 in the group, they seemed to like it so I'm posting it here to see what you guys think:

"On the topic of LI squadmates from ME2 being in ME3...I thought about it and it might work
Say
you do a LotSB style mission with Miranda...after that you could have
her in your squad permanently (ONLY IF SHE WAS YOUR LI IN ME2; otherwise
she's not) but the dialogue with her would continue along the romance
path..."

It's really troubling that Bioware repeatedly wriggled out of the
question of the fate of Miranda and the other ME2 team members. It hints
at answers we might not like.

Maybe, but I try not to think that way until we get some kind of confirmation.  Besides would PR let them spoil it all this early?

[DecCylonus]

I think lots of people just ignored Miranda and didn't talk to her, hence the over-focus on the control chip comment. Unlike other characters, Miranda wears her "professional face" all the time. She keeps things strictly business, and only slips when she asks for help rescuing her sister. Other characters joke with Shepard, share details of their lives, and try to be friendly. Miranda never tries to be Shepard's friend unless Shepard tries to be hers first. It fits her character perfectly, but leads people to think she is shallow and one dimensional.

Miranda is my favorite LI in the series, and I will be disappointed if I can't have significant interaction with her in ME3. I could accept her not being a squade mate, but she had better be available to talk to and have a fleshed out romance plot. I hold out hope since she has been in two games and Bioware has given her a pretty significant role. Here's hoping for good news at E3.

[Td1984]

I know that as of right now, I'm planning on RP'ing against the Alliance (as long as doing so doesn't involve helping the Reapers) and I hope that by doing so, I can choose my own XO. Nobody is taking Miranda's post.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Something like "Yes, depending on your choices and LI status, she may join you for more than one or two missions" would totally remove my concerns, while refusing to say that hints that we'll not see a lot of her.

I posted my idea of what could happen to Miranda in ME3 in the group, they seemed to like it so I'm posting it here to see what you guys think:

"On the topic of LI squadmates from ME2 being in ME3...I thought about it and it might work
Say you do a LotSB style mission with Miranda...after that you could have her in your squad permanently (ONLY IF SHE WAS YOUR LI IN ME2; otherwise she's not) but the dialogue with her would continue along the romance path..."

This is good for my maleSheps. But Miranda is a great character with or without romance, and Rani Shepard wants her as her friend and completely non-romantic close companion. So I do hope we have a choice about who we'll take into our team.

It's really troubling that Bioware repeatedly wriggled out of the question of the fate of Miranda and the other ME2 team members. It hints at answers we might not like.

Maybe, but I try not to think that way until we get some kind of confirmation.  Besides would PR let them spoil it all this early?

I'm not talking about spoilers. Just give me what I said in the quoted post and I'd be fine.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 mai 2011 - 04:27 .

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

This is good for my maleSheps. But Miranda is a great character with or without romance, and Rani Shepard wants her as her friend and completely non-romantic close companion. So I do hope we have a choice about who we'll take into our team.

Yeah thats something I'm not too sure about...not that I wouldn't want it to happen...my Femsheps even MaleShep that has romanced Ash would like to have Miranda on the team...Hmm then I suppose change the part about being LI or not to: it's your decision if you want her with you or not.

I'm not talking about spoilers. Just give me what I said in the quoted post and I'd be fine.

Well I'm going by what Casey said "In what role, I won't spoil that."
Otherwise yeah they seem intent on not saying more right now...
I hope we find out at E3...waiting more than that would be difficult I think.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 mai 2011 - 04:48 .

[jtav]

I begin to believe she'll be an antagonist, albeit a reluctant one. "Help us against Shepard or we hurt your sister." Not a trope I care for, but part of me thinks she's a lot weaker than I usually think of her.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

I posted my idea of what could happen to Miranda in ME3 in the group, they seemed to like it so I'm posting it here to see what you guys think:

"On the topic of LI squadmates from ME2 being in ME3...I thought about it and it might work
Say
you do a LotSB style mission with Miranda...after that you could have
her in your squad permanently (ONLY IF SHE WAS YOUR LI IN ME2; otherwise
she's not) but the dialogue with her would continue along the romance
path..."

I like this idea but I hope this mission can be performed during the first part of the game.
With the latest news, I think this scenario is our only hope to see Miranda on the Normandy. And it can't be worst than a cameo or a temporary squadmate.