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[Td1984]

Ok. Guess I'll just leave her alone until she wants to talk about her loyalty mission.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Please tell me Ely's theory is out and out wrong. I really, really don't want any miracle pregnancies in ME3 or the epilogue. I prefer no pregnancy at all, but I could live with Miranda either discovering or funding some treatment in the future. As long as the infertility was legitimate to begin with and she's cured via a medical procedure and not super sperm.

Of course I can't tell you with any finality that it's wrong, but I really can't imagine they'll go that way. It's just too cheap and cheesy. I also think we won't see any pregnancies in the timeframe of ME3. The question is what choices will we have to influence the epilogue?

@enyasoul:
The "miracle pregnancy" hypothesis was posted by Elvern as a worst-case scenario. So stress its ridiculousness, we have dubbed it the "cured by Shepard's super sperm" hypothesis. I agree with jtav that if she'll find a way around her infertility or a way to cure it, it should be a medical procedure or some other, perhaps not strictly "medical" technology. No miracles, please, no unbelievable piece of ridiculous luck either.

I would prefer these things to be a choice of the player, in some kind of "write your own epilogue" dialogue somewhere near the end of the game, like in DAO. A conversation where you can mention it as a problem, or it is brought up by MIranda, and we'll get several options to answer.

For instance:
Option 1: I never wanted children anyway, and I can't see you as a mother.
Option 2: You brought me back from the dead. Curing you shouldn't be a big problem now that we've got the time.
Option 3: We'll have to live with it - but humanity owes you for that sacrifice, and I won't let them forget it.

Option 1 is for those who don't want this to be a topic. Option 2 assumes that the infertility is either curable or Miranda could, and would, circumvent it through other technological means - which exactly can be left open. Option 3 assumes that she wants natural children or none and that her infertility could've been cured if she hadn't been so occupied with saving the galaxy and working for humanity (the progressive damage in the dossier would support this).

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I think there is a chance we'll get something like this, exactly because it is a way to give all players what they want.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 mai 2011 - 10:50 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
She freakin' steals them. I have no idea how she did that. One would think Cerberus wouldn't leave sensitive information just laying around.

Yes, it assumes that Jack can get through Miranda's information security. Preposterous!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I can see Beloved Miri as a mother. IMO, she would be ONE HELL OF A GOOD Mother.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 mai 2011 - 11:00 .

[goofyomnivore]

No super Shepard sperm please. I'd rather them retcon the dossier than that. I'm all for make your own epilogue like in DA:O -- that Ieldra suggested, or I wouldn't mind them leaving it to imagination/fan fiction.

I'd rather her cure herself if she did choose to have a child. Maybe some medical technique she picked up during the Lazarus Project, or maybe Mordin works with her for a short time(he is the man when it comes to infertility/fertility) and helps her create a cure. Lot of possibilities that could lead to a cure (medically).

Modifié par strive, 21 mai 2011 - 11:16 .

[Td1984]

I can't write to save my life half the time, otherwise I have a good idea for a fanfic involving Miri and my Shep.

[MisterJB]

Taking the risk of being flamed, I would like to say that I stand behind the idea of an "unbelievable piece of ridiculous luck". Sure, it could be cheesy. However, it would also allow for character development, with Miranda accepting that while her genetic engineering is an inextricable part of her, it does not need to control every aspect of her life, thus gaining some peace. And, ultimately, I think it's what Miranda herself would have preferred; for her child to be as natural as possible. After all, bedding the first healthy guy you can find on a dating site isn't exactly the most logical way of getting pregnant.

With that being said, I also see the merits of Miranda overcoming her "aversion" of genetic engineering by creating her child like she was created and even of bitersweet endings like this.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Option 3 assumes that she wants natural children or none and that her infertility could've been cured if she hadn't been so occupied with saving the galaxy and working for humanity (the progressive damage in the dossier would support this).

Just my two cents.

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can see Beloved Miri as a mother. IMO, she would be ONE HELL OF A GOOD Mother.

I'm sure Miranda would make sure her child had everything she didn't have while at the same time being extremely protective.
However, had Miranda been blessed with a child before ME2, I believe that, when it came to emotional stuff, she would have been a disaster.
A good indication of that is Miranda trying to counsel Oriana by stealing quotes from a magazine.
With Shepard along, things ougth to be different, tough.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 mai 2011 - 12:29 .

[enayasoul]

MisterJB wrote...

Taking the risk of being flamed, I would like to say that I stand behind the idea of an "unbelievable piece of ridiculous luck". Sure, it could be cheesy. However, it would also allow for character development, with Miranda accepting that while her genetic engineering is an inextricable part of her, it does not need to control every aspect of her life, thus gaining some peace. And, ultimately, I think it's what Miranda herself would have preferred; for her child to be as natural as possible. After all, bedding the first healthy guy you can find on a dating site isn't exactly the most logical way of getting pregnant.

With that being said, I also see the merits of Miranda overcoming her "aversion" of genetic engineering by creating her child like she was created and even of bitersweet endings like this.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Option 3 assumes that she wants natural children or none and that her infertility could've been cured if she hadn't been so occupied with saving the galaxy and working for humanity (the progressive damage in the dossier would support this).

Just my two cents.

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can see Beloved Miri as a mother. IMO, she would be ONE HELL OF A GOOD Mother.

I'm sure Miranda would make sure her child had everything she didn't have while at the same time, being extremely protective.
However, had Miranda been blessed with a child before ME2, I believe that, when it came to emotional stuff, she would have been a disaster.
A good indication of that is Miranda trying to counsel Oriana by stealing quotes from a magazine.
With Shepard along, things ougth to be different, tough.

I agree with the above statements.  I think it will be tough for Miranda but worth the challenge.  Maybe Miranda will even learn from Oriana... or learn from shep.  I agree, she will be extremely protective.  She even says so in her LM about Oriana.  Maybe even about shep if people are trying to kill him.

[atwatters]

I support this Miranda thread and want her announced as a squad member at E3!

[enayasoul]

I was doing a little bit of research for my story... Shep's birthday is in April, "Aries" so I went with the what if, Miranda's b-day is in July aka "Leo"  and see if they are compatible...

I laughed when I read it because it seemed so much like him and her.  From my viewpoint at least. 

www.ask-oracle.com/sign-compatibility/aries-leo/

www.bzodiac.com/zodiac-signs-compatibility/aries-and-leo-compatibility/

Ok, back to writing I go... Just thought I'd share this.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Fanart time...done by the very talented dorkynoodle on DA:

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

O.O HOLY ****

I wonder if Miri will be THAT passionate in ME3.... O.O

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mai 2011 - 06:06 .

[Ieldra]

strive wrote...
No super Shepard sperm please. I'd rather them retcon the dossier than that. I'm all for make your own epilogue like in DA:O -- that Ieldra suggested, or I wouldn't mind them leaving it to imagination/fan fiction.

The problem is, if it's never mentioned again, Miranda will be canonically infertile. That's about the second worst possible outcome as far as I'm concerned (the worst would be the miracle pregnancy - yes, that's how bad I find it). 

I'd rather her cure herself if she did choose to have a child. Maybe some medical technique she picked up during the Lazarus Project, or maybe Mordin works with her for a short time(he is the man when it comes to infertility/fertility) and helps her create a cure. Lot of possibilities that could lead to a cure (medically).

Can you believe I never noticed how utterly perfect Mordin would be to help her in that? I'd rather have her find a solution herself and I think she has the expertise to do that but I wouldn't like a little input from the SR2's specialist for fertility manipulation.

[Td1984]

enayasoul wrote...

I was doing a little bit of research for my story... Shep's birthday is in April, "Aries" so I went with the what if, Miranda's b-day is in July aka "Leo"  and see if they are compatible...

I laughed when I read it because it seemed so much like him and her.  From my viewpoint at least. 

www.ask-oracle.com/sign-compatibility/aries-leo/

www.bzodiac.com/zodiac-signs-compatibility/aries-and-leo-compatibility/

Ok, back to writing I go... Just thought I'd share this.

Well, Yvonne's a Leo (born July 30, 1982), though I don't know if that had any influence on Miranda's personality.

[HighFlyingDwarf]

Mmmm sandwiches...

[jtav]

Does anyone remember what the pre-release reaction to Miranda was? My guess is a mixture of "HOT!!!" "What an uppity b*tch" and resentment for taking Ash's role.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Does anyone remember what the pre-release reaction to Miranda was? My guess is a mixture of "HOT!!!" "What an uppity b*tch" and resentment for taking Ash's role.

I recall quite a few posts saying they didn't like her, but I don't recall the reasons they gave. Likely something like "I don't like Cerberus and will kill anyone associated with them" would've been the most frequent sentiment.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I recall quite a few posts saying they didn't like her, but I don't recall the reasons they gave. Likely something like "I don't like Cerberus and will kill anyone associated with them" would've been the most frequent sentiment.

Those ass*****  will never learn and know when to wake up and smell the damn coffee.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mai 2011 - 11:27 .

[jtav]

Well can you blame them? She was marketed as a loyalist to an organization that would make a Bond villain proud. And she comes off as an insubordinate jackass more concerned about her ego than the mission in pre-release material.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I saw the trailers for her AFTER I started playing ME2. I am COMPLETELY LOYAL to Miri.

Those haters never realize that she quits Cerberus, possibly NEVER to be part of it again. There hatred HORRIBLY blinds them.

And she is NOT a jackass!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mai 2011 - 11:42 .

[jtav]

In the FFTL trailer? Yes, she is. Niket's death is framed as her shooting an unarmed civilian for no good reason after Shepard tells her not to. She also comes off as egotistical. Her abrasiveness is one reason I like her, but divorced from the context, she's unpleasant.

I've got a very delicate series of scenes coming up and want some advice. How would Miranda act around someone who was responsible for some of her suffering as a child? Specifically, the doctor who gave her biotics and some chronic health conditions to go along with it. The doctor doesn't recognize her and believes her to be dead. Walking away is not an option.

[Td1984]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I saw the trailers for her AFTER I started playing ME2. I am COMPLETELY LOYAL to Miri.

Those haters never realize that she quits Cerberus, possibly NEVER to be part of it again. There hatred HORRIBLY blinds them.

And she is NOT a jackass!

You're preaching to the choir. Not to mention, this was pre-release. As well as people who just won't give her a chance. Of course, she's the reason I got the game in the first place.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

Of course, she's the reason I got the game in the first place.

Come to think of it, it was the same for me as well. When I was getting interested.

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
I've got a very delicate series of scenes coming up and want some advice. How would Miranda act around someone who was responsible for some of her suffering as a child? Specifically, the doctor who gave her biotics and some chronic health conditions to go along with it. The doctor doesn't recognize her and believes her to be dead. Walking away is not an option.

What's the context? Is he essential to the sucess of her mission? Did he raise objections to Mr.Lawson's requests/orders or treated her as nothing more than a test subject?

[jtav]

MisterJB wrote...

What's the context? Is he essential to the sucess of her mission? Did he raise objections to Mr.Lawson's requests/orders or treated her as nothing more than a test subject?

The doctor is the guardian of her mission objective, who she is more or less forcing to undergo biotic training. She was approached about creating some artificial biotics and was initially thrilled at getting some backing for her research. She assumed sshe'd be working with consenting adults, but went through with the oeration because "anyone else would have killed the poor girl." So far I've stuck to veiled insults and just barely restraining herself when the doctor asserts she's no better than Mr. Lawson.