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[Aedan_Cousland]

I hope Bioware never reverses course and keeps Miranda infertile. It only adds to her chracter that she was 'designed' to be perfect, but is flawed in a major way. It also adds to her character that she's carrying around the emotional baggage & disappointment of finding out she'll never be able to have children of her own.

They should keep her infertile throughout the game and into the epilogue.

Also, I find the idea of impregnating your LI incredibly cheesy. This isn't a romance-and-raise-a-family sim. Besides, it wouldn't make sense for someone who is pregnant to be going with you on the end mission, and would you rather your LI was with you in the end, or left behind on a safe planet while pregnant? What man would risk the life of a woman carrying his unborn child?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

My Idea is that Miri is pregnant after the war is over and onwards to the Epilogue.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 12:58 .

[jtav]

I'd prefer the infertility stay now that it's here, though I'd prefer a different problem. It's obvious they added it for sympathy points. I don't care about her passing on her genes, nor do I want her to be the future of humanity. Besides, I like the idea of the happy ending not being note perfect. She gets the kids she wants, but they're adopted. Happily adopted.

And no pregnancy in the epilogue or elsewhere.

Modifié par jtav, 23 mai 2011 - 01:06 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

No one else even cares about that? This is such bull****.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 01:04 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
She was approached about creating some artificial biotics and was initially thrilled at getting some backing for her research. She assumed sshe'd be working with consenting adults, but went through with the oeration because "anyone else would have killed the poor girl."

Is Miranda aware of this?

 

So far I've stuck to veiled insults and just barely restraining herself when the doctor asserts she's no better than Mr. Lawson.

It appears to me that there is the risk of Shepard understanding the veiled insults against his aunt and the last thing Miranda would want to do in this situation is antagonize him.
Arguably, Miranda could consider Shepard's betrayal if he sides with Jack(especially considering that it can take place after the romance has already been locked) worse than what this doctor did, especially if she is aware of her reasoning; which, quite frankly, reminds me a bit of Mordin's justification for releasing the New Genophase; and yet, Miranda was always polite and civile towards Shepard on the field and during debriefs. The only times we can see some outbursts of anger is if Shepard seeks her on her personal space.
So, while I could definitively see Miranda losing her composure when the doctor compares her to Mr. Lawson, I think Miranda would abstain herself from any veiled insults that could jeopardize the sucess of her mission.

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
Also, I find the idea of impregnating your LI incredibly cheesy. This isn't a romance-and-raise-a-family sim. Besides, it wouldn't make sense for someone who is pregnant to be going with you on the end mission, and would you rather your LI was with you in the end, or left behind on a safe planet while pregnant? What man would risk the life of a woman carrying his unborn child?

Speaking on behalf of those who support Miranda's possible pregnancy, the last thing we want is for Miranda to not be a squadmate because she's with child. If she is not on Shepard's squad, let it be because she is too important for that.
The epilogue is another story altogether.

[Td1984]

If the Epilogue shows Miri & Shep with kids (natural or adopted), that's one thing. However, she should NOT get pregnant or have kids prior to that (I'm afraid the tryst in the Engine Room might have gotten her pregnant if that dossier is incorrect).

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

^ What if THAT's what Hudson ment by, "I hope she's ok?"  O.O

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 02:57 .

[jtav]

I very much doubt that. ME3 is several months later. She'd like;y be visibly pregnant, and they'd have to account for all the games where she wasn't romanced.

[jeweledleah]

I think the issue with Miranda is going to be Oriana. sure, you reassure her and all, but when you complete her loyalty mission you, the end description says that cerberus will be watching over her. TIM knows where she is. and whether you convince Miranda to talk to her sister or agree that its better that she doesn't - Miranda still cares for her sister very much, so...

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

@ Jtav

It's a big game. The different outcomes are possible.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 03:03 .

[jtav]

leah, I agree. *prays this does not lead to a scenario where Miranda is blackmailed into betraying you*

MEFan, you're talking about creating a different model for a specific scenario. A mind-numbingly stupid one, at that. At worst, they'll have a baby in the epilogue.

Modifié par jtav, 23 mai 2011 - 03:07 .

[jeweledleah]

jtav wrote...

leah, I agree. *prays this does not lead to a scenario where Miranda is blackmailed into betraying you*

if it does, I hope there's a way to cajole (paragon) or badger (renegade)  her into explaining why she is betraying you and then help her, so that she can no longer be blackmailed.

as for pregnancy, yeah Miranda was trying to get pregnant, but with the reaper threat imminent, someone as intelligent as her, would probably put having babies on hold, even, especialy if in love

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

[/quote]jeweledleah wrote...


as for pregnancy, yeah Miranda was trying to get pregnant, but with the reaper threat imminent, someone as intelligent as her, would probably put having babies on hold, even, especialy if in love

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That's why I said that Miri should be pregnant after the war is over and onwards to the Epilogue.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 03:12 .

[jtav]

I wouldn't like it because it confirms my fears that she's actually rather weak. I'd prefer a full-blown villain turn if she's a traitor. Especially since she's been shown as devoted to stopping the Reaper threat and believes Shep is our best chance against them.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

That would NOT make her weak AT ALL!

Why the hell do prefer a turn?!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 03:21 .

[jtav]

Because at least that way she retains the capacity to make decisions for herself and not be forced into them. I'd prefer she not be working against us at all.

[jeweledleah]

well, I don't think it would make her weak to try and save her sister, though... I would think that if she were loyal to Shepard, she'd go to Shep first and just request secrecy and possibly work as double agent, but... if she is NOT loyal, then she could outright betray Shepard and work for TIM in earnest - it might still have something to do with helping Oriana though - other then Shepard (assuming they are allies and/or lovers) - its the only person in the world she truly cares about.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I want to see Miri as a Mother after everything is over, so that she DOES have time to be with child and become a Mother.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 03:32 .

[Td1984]

jtav didn't say he wants Miri to turn. Only IF she turns he would prefer her to be a full-blown villain. It would be a stupid move on BW's part to make her turn in the first place.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

Because at least that way she retains the capacity to make decisions for herself and not be forced into them. I'd prefer she not be working against us at all.

Well I do NOT want her to be a vilian AT ALL!!!! Thst's in the WORSE case scenario category.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2011 - 03:33 .

[Td1984]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Because at least that way she retains the capacity to make decisions for herself and not be forced into them. I'd prefer she not be working against us at all.

Well I do NOT want her to be a vilian AT ALL!!!! Thst's in the WORSE case scenario category.

For me, it would fall into the "prevention of purchase of ME3" category.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Td1984 wrote...

For me, it would fall into the "prevention of purchase of ME3" category.

That too.

[Aedan_Cousland]

jtav wrote...

I'd prefer the infertility stay now that it's here, though I'd prefer a different problem. It's obvious they added it for sympathy points. I don't care about her passing on her genes, nor do I want her to be the future of humanity. Besides, I like the idea of the happy ending not being note perfect. She gets the kids she wants, but they're adopted. Happily adopted.

And no pregnancy in the epilogue or elsewhere.

This.

If there are children in her future, let them be war orphans. There will be many after the Reaper attack, after all. And I don't think she'll need biological children in order to have a 'happy' ending.

That, and Shep having biological children of his own is irrelevant, since we'll never play as them in a future game. His or her story ends at Mass Effect 3 even if the universe lives on beyond the Shepard Trilogy.

[Ieldra]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
I hope Bioware never reverses course and keeps Miranda infertile. It only adds to her chracter that she was 'designed' to be perfect, but is flawed in a major way. It also adds to her character that she's carrying around the emotional baggage & disappointment of finding out she'll never be able to have children of her own.

They should keep her infertile throughout the game and into the epilogue.

I disagree passionately with this.

This would turn Miranda's story into a morality tale about the supposed evils of genetic engineering, aka "nothing good can come from it" and she'll never be able to pass on her gifts

This would be one my three worst-case scenarios, right on the same level as Miranda appearing weak or incompetent or Miranda dead. For me, who appreciated Miranda's genetic engineering right from the start, it would be like a promise broken, and I'd be able to enjoy the same a lot less because I would be reminded of all that and annoyed every time I talk to Miranda.

That's not to say I want to see a pregnancy in the game. In fact, I do not. But I want an option - what you do have against an option, thrice damn it - to show a prospect for Miranda having biological offspring, natural or artificial, I don't care.

In fact, the ME universe will live on in my imagination. That's exactly why I care about this. I want it to live on in my imagination as one where Miranda can pass on her gifts.

I'd even take the miracle pregnancy before a canonical infertiliy I won't have an option to circumvent.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 mai 2011 - 08:20 .

[Jebel Krong]

no pregnancies or even talk of reproduction, thanks - there are a lot more important events going on to resolve without shoehorning that into the game as well. i can appreciate some people can't get past those stupid LoSB dossiers, but really - pregnancy just to refute it? relationships are about a lot more than just having kids... the important thing is character consistency, and until we know more about precisely what role she has in the game, that is impossible to judge.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 23 mai 2011 - 08:43 .