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[Maugrim]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

@jtav
Since when was Jack Casey Hudsons favorite character?  And when did that ever mean she would be a premanent squadmate?
I think she was talked about because they wanted to reveal something about an ME2 exclusive squadmate and my guess is that they picked a character they felt were ready to tell people about and that character was Jack.

I still don't think she will show up more than a temp squadmate

Jack is Casey Hudson's favorite characters as revealed in the CE Strat guide along with several other interviews.  It's pretty well known.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 24 mai 2011 - 03:07 .

[Mufasa92]

My prediction for E3.

They are gonna show a Jack vs. Miranda fight and confirm them both as squadmates. It would be kinda cool to see Miranda's abilities tested against a really powerful biotic.

[Vertigo_1]

makenzieshepard wrote...
Jack is Casey Hudson's favorite characters as revealed in the CE Strat guide along with several other interviews.  It's pretty well known.

Really?
I read somewhere it was Liara...
I still don't think that automatically means she has a better chance of being a perma squadmate.

EDIT: Just read it as favorite characters...my brain is fried after these finals...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 mai 2011 - 04:17 .

[Td1984]

Mufasa92 wrote...

My prediction for E3.

They are gonna show a Jack vs. Miranda fight and confirm them both as squadmates. It would be kinda cool to see Miranda's abilities tested against a really powerful biotic.

If that's the case, I hope there'll be an option to help Miri out (not that I think she'd need it, but still).

[Ieldra]

Mufasa92 wrote...
My prediction for E3.

They are gonna show a Jack vs. Miranda fight and confirm them both as squadmates. It would be kinda cool to see Miranda's abilities tested against a really powerful biotic.

We already had that. Also I'd like to believe Jack might have mellowed a bit and Miranda's remarks won't be quite as cutting unless she intends them to be a provocation. Arguments between team members are one thing, but outright fights seem petty and childish if you think about what's at stake.

As for permanent team member status, I'm still of two minds about it. I'd like Miranda to be more than just Shepard's follower, and that means she should have her own thing to do at times. I'd be content with having her for 50% of the game, if, and only if, that means she's significant to the main plot. Both Miranda and Liara have the power to affect things on a large scale. I'd rather have them use it.

[Jebel Krong]

i doubt they'd show another jack v miranda fight - especially at something like E3, where they will want to highlight a lot of the new features to gameplay.

2 new characters sounds promising, especially as they should be of the ME2 variety now that all the ME1 ones are already accounted for/announced. trouble is there's a lot of ME2 characters left so people will be disappointed whatever, dammit why couldn't they have left the ME1 returnees off the radar for a while longer? (and i still don't get how Liara will possibly be back as a squaddie).

[MisterJB]

Jebel Krong wrote...
 (and i still don't get how Liara will possibly be back as a squaddie).

Truth be told, I'm quite glad Liara is back as a squadmate. The last thing I want is for Liara to become a mix between The Illusive Man and Wrex while Miranda becomes a Garrus.
Lair of the Shadow Broker was quite enough, thank you very much.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...
 (and i still don't get how Liara will possibly be back as a squaddie).

Truth be told, I'm quite glad Liara is back as a squadmate. The last thing I want is for Liara to become a mix between The Illusive Man and Wrex while Miranda becomes a Garrus.
Lair of the Shadow Broker was quite enough, thank you very much.

By the same logic, you would not want Miranda to be a permanent team member. Right?

[jtav]

All I want is to see Miranda the capable, professional operative. I want her to own her gifts and do something great with them because she wants to and not to justify her existence. Give me that, and I will tolerate a two minute cameo gladly. But, if she remains a follower, no amount of time on the squad will satisfy me. I've been getting into it with a poster on TCR who wants her to have a "normal" life. I'd rather see her dead. My love for Miranda is profoundly conditional on her remaining a certain character type.

[MisterJB]

...not sure if I'm being censured.

But yes. I am willing to sacrifice Miranda's place on the Normandy if that means she gains greater relevance on the Galactic stage. Preferably without losing opportunities to interact with her.
But if we have to sacrifice even that, her roles better be damn good. I expect ME2 Wrex level of importance regarding the future of the galaxy/human race and I expect her to receive the recognition she deserves.

Damn, why can't we have both?

[jtav]

The more I think about it, the more I think Miranda will be taking down her father in ME3. Her issues with her background are her driver and Oriana is possibly in very grave danger. It also gives spotlight to the more personal side that a lot of people want to see without making her look especially weak. And she's "the prodigal." Prodigal daughters come home. And she deals with her father's shadow in the most final way possible. If I'm right, there's a good chance she's perma-squad and this is her personal mission.

[Jebel Krong]

hm. i don't want Miranda's story-arch to continually be coming back to her family all the time - we spent enough of ME2 getting past hat, no need to rehash with her father, i'd prefer full-squaddie and doing something useful against the reapers, make her more plot-relevant than anything else.

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
...not sure if I'm being censured.

But yes. I am willing to sacrifice Miranda's place on the Normandy if that means she gains greater relevance on the Galactic stage. Preferably without losing opportunities to interact with her.
But if we have to sacrifice even that, her roles better be damn good. I expect ME2 Wrex level of importance regarding the future of the galaxy/human race and I expect her to receive the recognition she deserves.

Damn, why can't we have both?

No, you weren't censured. I've said almost the same at times. I want Miranda to be on the team for more than a mission or two, but if it amounts to 50% and she'll have a role to play in the big picture, that would be my dream scenario.

"Not permanent" does not equal "cameo" or "just one mission". There are more possibilities.

@Jebel Krong:
I agree with you that family stuff should be mostly sidelined in ME3. I'd rather have Miranda deal with Cerberus and so on. But there's no reason the two aspects couldn't be combined. It all depends on how much emphasis they'll put on each.

[Td1984]

Jebel Krong wrote...
(and i still don't get how Liara will possibly be back as a squaddie).

Simple. Cerberus is now working for the Reapers (with or without TIM). Cerberus knows Liara is close to Shepard and where the SB base is. They could go after Liara to get at Shepard so she's no longer safe on her ship and has to move in to the Normandy.

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I agree with you that family stuff should be mostly sidelined in ME3. I'd rather have Miranda deal with Cerberus and so on. But there's no reason the two aspects couldn't be combined. It all depends on how much emphasis they'll put on each.

I'm expecting a line or two about Oriana

If you did her loyalty mission
Miranda: "I had to relocate her again after we saved her..."

If you did not do her loyalty mission
Miranda: "I had to relocate her after our mission..."

I don't expect anything more than that.  The XBW article says (or speculates I suppose) that missions that ended with an email would be over in ME2, those that did not have an email would still play out in ME3.

Having her sister in danger again would make it somewhat boring...I'd much rather go after her father (I find his character interesting) and/or Cerberus with her.

Although she mentioned he lives on Earth? How would that play out when the Reapers attack? Perhaps he leaves once the attack begins and we find him along the way to get Cerberus?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 mai 2011 - 05:13 .

[TomY90]

if there is a mission specially made for miranda I think it will either involve her father or cerberus i doubt they will do another saving oriana mission (like Vertigo_1 mentioned).

But it is probable that Oriana gets taken by her father and you have to get her out from her fathers place with miranda and of course you meet him and finally find out why he does what he does and possibly get a paragon/renegade choice system.

i.e. do you let the father keep Oriana in return for funding and his resources to help against the Reapers which will upset Miranda and possibly make her leave you forever etc

or do you get Oriana free but not get the assistance from the father but will maintain the love (or more so) or loyalty to shepherd.

[Mufasa92]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mufasa92 wrote...
My prediction for E3.

They are gonna show a Jack vs. Miranda fight and confirm them both as squadmates. It would be kinda cool to see Miranda's abilities tested against a really powerful biotic.

We already had that. Also I'd like to believe Jack might have mellowed a bit and Miranda's remarks won't be quite as cutting unless she intends them to be a provocation. Arguments between team members are one thing, but outright fights seem petty and childish if you think about what's at stake.

As for permanent team member status, I'm still of two minds about it. I'd like Miranda to be more than just Shepard's follower, and that means she should have her own thing to do at times. I'd be content with having her for 50% of the game, if, and only if, that means she's significant to the main plot. Both Miranda and Liara have the power to affect things on a large scale. I'd rather have them use it.

I don't think the fight will come about from the sake of an arguement or simple name-calling. I think if there were one, then the basis of it would be much more serious.

As for the family issues, I see those coming back since the only reason her father left her alone was because Cerberus was offering Miranda and her sister protection. Now that Miranda pretty much quit her job I see it being perfectly resonable that the sister would be in danger since it was Ceberus that re-located her family in the first place. So a little side-mission involving saving the sister, killing the dad, and pissing off the Illusive Man wouldn't be so far-fetched.

[Ieldra]

Family stuff again.

I'm beginning to wonder if people can't make - or even think of - an emotionally engaging plot without family stuff being somewhere in it? I'm getting mightily sick of it. OK, Oriana and Miranda's father have been established as important to her, but that's no reason to repeat it. Oriana definitely shouldn't be a plot hook *again*, and Miranda's father only if he's somehow connected to the main plot, albeit loosely. He has Cerberus connections, so that's not impossible.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 mai 2011 - 09:38 .

[jeweledleah]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Family stuff again.

I'm beginning to wonder if people can't make - or even think of - an emotionally engaging plot without family stuff being somewhere in it? I'm getting mightily sick of it. OK, Oriana and Miranda's father have been established as important to her, but that's no reason to repeat it. Oriana definitely shouldn't be a plot hook *again*, and Miranda's father only if he's somehow connected to the main plot, albeit loosely. He has Cerberus connections, so that's not impossible.

family is the only thing we have to go on.  what else could it be.  failed experiment come back to haunt her?  consequences of some project gone wrong?  it feels to me that Miranda is too much of a perfectionist, too controlling to allow for mistakes like that without correcting them as soon as possible.  Even with Shepard and Wilson, she was decisive, cool and very final.

Family is her Achiles heel.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Family stuff again.

I'm beginning to wonder if people can't make - or even think of - an emotionally engaging plot without family stuff being somewhere in it? I'm getting mightily sick of it. OK, Oriana and Miranda's father have been established as important to her, but that's no reason to repeat it. Oriana definitely shouldn't be a plot hook *again*, and Miranda's father only if he's somehow connected to the main plot, albeit loosely. He has Cerberus connections, so that's not impossible.

I understand where you are coming from that we can only bring up her family but that is the only thing we really know about her apart from her genetics but that is from her father so it ties in anyway.

I doubt very much you could create an interesting mission involving her fertility and if we had more knowledge of her history then we could use other parts of it but to me its

either her father or cerberus or even tie them together.

He was one of the major investors into cerberus and was a major believer and supporter of them. So its probable that he knows some details of cerberus history that Miranda and Shepherd do not know

And Miranda does hold her family (what little there is) very dear to herself which makes sense that she will want to protect those she holds dear to herself whether its from the Reapers or from her father which I think it would generate an emotional generating plot  (and it is clear that she has unfinished business with the man)

and of course it is very likely she will have a major role involving cerberus in ME3 so that is most likely her missions during ME3 atleast.

**EDIT**

and too be honest I think some of us will be question the out of the blue information coming out about Miranda's history popping up unless its history between ME2 and ME3

Modifié par TomY90, 24 mai 2011 - 09:57 .

[jtav]

Teaser, if anyone cares

her from getting a word in edgewise so she could tell me to stop. "That procedure you wrote about, that's what Claire Eldfell had done to her, wasn't it?"

She'd gone paler and paler as I spoke and the computer screen gave her an unhealthy orange glow like someone who used too much tanning lotion. "Yes." The word came out as a croak, not speech.

"Then why didn't you tell me that you'd written a paper on it? And that Eldfell's foundation was the one who paid for it?"

She laughed, short and bitter. It was a sound I'd ever heard from her before, and it made my stomach turn hearing it. "Lawson swore you wouldn't find out about this if I went along with the surgery, but she forgets about the extranet. You must understand how little we knew about biotics in those days. It was this vast field of untapped knowledge. We hardly knew what we didn't know. Children were moving things with their minds or getting cancer, and there was no way to tell which it would be until it was too late. And the aliens knew so much more than we did. If things ever went south, we'd need a reliable supply of human biotics to counter them, but the process was too random. And then I heard about a krogan procedure that would remove the randomness. I was thrilled."

Her lips curled into a sneer. "I approached the Alliance with my theories and ask for permission to begin preliminary tests. The bureaucrats thought it was too risky. And then the people from Arcian came. They were very interested and very generous. They told me I could help create something better than human."

I stood transfixed to the spot. This person who spoke so enthusiastically about the advancement of humanity was not my aunt. "It didn't bother you how many people would die from failed operations?"

"We knew there would be risks, but I thought we could minimize them. I was very, very good. And I thought my volunteers would be soldiers. I'd never planned on a child."

Of course. My voice shook with something that was half hysteria and half relief. "So they took your research and hired some sicko to implant her. That's not your fault."

She looked at me. Pain seemed to etch the lines in her face deeper and deeper by the moment. "I wish to God that was what happened. The girl was everything I needed. Her father had built her from the ground up to be stronger and tougher than any normal human could be. No post-birth engineering could ever hope to match it. And Eldfell was very determined that his daughter be the first of the new biotics. I was horrified, of course, but he told me that he'd just find someone else. There were plenty of doctors perfectly willing to take his money. It might as well be me."

I felt like the floor had given way beneath me. My legs shook. I wanted to put my fingers in my ears. Lalala, I can't hear you. "Y-you're the one who implanted her?"

Her eyes glittered with something I had never seen before. Defiance. "Anyone else would have killed her on the operating table."

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Even if Miranda isn't a selectable squadmate, I hope she's with me for all of the game. She'd make an awesome intelligence officer and coordinator. She'd do all the behind-the-scenes work such as gathering intel and orchestrating the fall of Cerberus while Katie did all the blowing Reapers away.

[Lenimph]

Just dropping by with some fanartz...

[LuxDragon]

Big thanks to EpisodeSkywalker for making this poster for me and my fic!

Modifié par LuxDragon, 25 mai 2011 - 05:56 .

[Vertigo_1]

Very nice Lux, left a review for your latest chapter

@Lenimph did you also do the DA2 versions of those? I've seen them over on the DA2 forums.
If so they are nice!
As it the Miranda one you did