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[Td1984]

Yannkee wrote...

Recruit him, are you serious ? 
I guess you didn't read Retribution.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Kai_Leng 
Probably one of the most vicious scum in the gallaxy.

Not my idea. Some other peeps here on the forums want to recruit him. Like I said, I'd rather him be dead.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

No, I haven't. What did he say?

Like I said nothing to get worried about...

There was this incident over near his house (thats not his video)
and he was tweeted about getting into a fridge then the conversation went on to mention killing women in refridgeraters

Your post reminded me of that.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 mai 2011 - 06:15 .

[jtav]

Yeah, my fears come from having many. many issues with how Miranda was presented in-game.

[Caihn]

Td1984 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Recruit him, are you serious ? 
I guess you didn't read Retribution.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Kai_Leng 
Probably one of the most vicious scum in the gallaxy.

Not my idea. Some other peeps here on the forums want to recruit him. Like I said, I'd rather him be dead.

Yes I've seen that too.
But I don't find any justifications to recruit a xenophobic murderer in ME3.

What I would like to see is an amazing cutscene with Miranda preventing Kai Leng to kill Shepard or one of the other squadmate. Biotic slam, and head shot him would be perfect.

[Td1984]

To change the subject a little bit, how difficult do you think it would be to rally the various races against the Reapers if you allowed the Council to die in ME1?

[jtav]

This is something I know we've discussed before but what do you think the "flaw" is that caused Lawson to discard Miranda? My best guess would be him becoming aware of whatever would lead to her infertility. He's described as wanting a dynasty. I suspect he planned to use the first generation as brood mares.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

This is something I know we've discussed before but what do you think the "flaw" is that caused Lawson to discard Miranda? My best guess would be him becoming aware of whatever would lead to her infertility. He's described as wanting a dynasty. I suspect he planned to use the first generation as brood mares.

He discarded her?  I thought she said he wanted a dynasty not a daughter and thats why she ran away?

"I ran away as soon as I was old and brave enough. I went to Cerberus because I knew they could protect me."
From the dialogue page

"My father invested a great deal in his dynasty. It wasn't a matter of just leaving... I knew he would continue to persue his... investments."
Here

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 mai 2011 - 07:53 .

[goofyomnivore]

jtav wrote...

This is something I know we've discussed before but what do you think the "flaw" is that caused Lawson to discard Miranda? My best guess would be him becoming aware of whatever would lead to her infertility. He's described as wanting a dynasty. I suspect he planned to use the first generation as brood mares.

I always figured Miranda was his test child, and that she probably fell short of his expectations, and that is why he made Oriana to improve on all of Miranda's flaws not just the infertility he may or may not known of(I assume he did from the very start). It could also explain why her quality of life wasn't to good. I could see Mr. Lawson pushing Miranda to her limits mentally and physically to see how far away he was from his "dynasty".

Vertigo_1 wrote...
He discarded her?  I thought she said he wanted a dynasty not a daughter and thats why she ran away?

"I ran away as soon as I was old and brave enough. I went to Cerberus because I knew they could protect me."
From the dialogue page

Hard to have two heirs to a dynasty. I think soon as he made Oriana -- Miranda became second fiddle.

Modifié par strive, 28 mai 2011 - 07:54 .

[Vertigo_1]

strive wrote...

Hard to have two heirs to a dynasty. I think soon as he made Oriana -- Miranda became second fiddle.

You're right I forgot about the part where she says Oriana was meant to replace her.
Still a bit iffy on the 'discard' part

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 mai 2011 - 07:57 .

[goofyomnivore]

Yeah the discard word threw me off too.. I assumed Jtav meant discard as in why he invested in Oriana instead of further investing into Miranda. (which explains the infertility guess -- I think anyways I could be very wrong on what Jtav is asking). Since if I remember right Oriana was created while Miranda was still with Mr. Lawson.

Modifié par strive, 28 mai 2011 - 08:01 .

[jtav]

It's ambiguous. She ran, but I'd love to know what he found wanting in Miranda that caused Oriana to be created. Miranda was the "first he kept" after all.

[Vertigo_1]

A "backup"?
Perhaps Oriana is better "version" of Miranda?
I feel theres more to this than we know...thats why I hope we learn more about her father in ME3

Slight sidetrack:
http://twitter.com/#...567266766815232
"Tough to convey the full scope of a game like #ME3 in a 20-min demo. About to do some video editing to showcase other aspects for #E3"

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 mai 2011 - 08:17 .

[goofyomnivore]

I don't think it was any particular thing. Miranda was his first true attempt. I imagine he thought he could do better overall. Maybe it was designed by him for Miranda to become infertile? So his imperfect dynasty wouldn't undermine his perfect dynasty.

If someone like Mr. Lawson is that obsessive on creating a dynasty. I doubt he would settle for his first child, and would build off the knowledge learned from Miranda to create a perfect "dynasty". Since perfection was what he was after right? Miranda is far from perfect -- she even admits that much.

edit: Yeah I can't wait for E3. I'm hoping we get some good news about Miranda.

Modifié par strive, 28 mai 2011 - 08:22 .

[MACharlie1]

strive wrote...

I don't think it was any particular thing. Miranda was his first true attempt. I imagine he thought he could do better overall. Maybe it was designed by him for Miranda to become infertile? So his imperfect dynasty wouldn't undermine his perfect dynasty.

If someone like Mr. Lawson is that obsessive on creating a dynasty. I doubt he would settle for his first child, and would build off the knowledge learned from Miranda to create a perfect "dynasty". Since perfection was what he was after right? Miranda is far from perfect -- she even admits that much.

edit: Yeah I can't wait for E3. I'm hoping we get some good news about Miranda.

...I'm not so sure about that.

"I wasn't the only one he created - I was only the first one he kept." 

Miranda was probably the first to achieve that "perfect biology"...until she hit puberty and Mr. Lawson found out she couldn't have children. I'm willing to bet that Miranda didn't quite understand what was going on until Mr Lawson turned his attention away from her and then realized that she was expected to meet impossible demands and that she had an unusual lack of friends.  

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Slight sidetrack:
http://twitter.com/#...567266766815232
"Tough to convey the full scope of a game like #ME3 in a 20-min demo. About to do some video editing to showcase other aspects for #E3"

Good, they will reveal a lot of things at E3.
Unfortunately, I fear they will remain silent about Miranda ... 

[MisterJB]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I'm willing to bet that Miranda didn't quite understand what was going on until Mr Lawson turned his attention away from her and then realized that she was expected to meet impossible demands and that she had an unusual lack of friends.

And you don't think Miranda would have realized that long before she hit purberty?

If I had to guess, I'd say Mr.Lawson subscribes to the idea of keeping the bloodline "pure" and wants his perfect daugther to have children from him. Miranda discovered his plan and ran. Since her dossier talks about "progressive damage", I'd say she was still very much fertile when she escaped.
So, I don't think he discarded her, he could have known about Miri's benign neoplasm and instead of spending years chasing her and risking her becoming infertile, he just created Oriana.

Still, I want to say that I absolutely love Strive's idea and hope it becomes canon in ME3 with just one sligth alteration. To treat Miranda like he did and then possibly discard her just because of her one problem is already pretty bad...but to create Miranda and treat her like we know he did despite knowying fully well that she was only a prototype and he would get rid of her eventually... that makes him pure evil.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 mai 2011 - 09:06 .

[goofyomnivore]

MACharlie1 wrote...
...I'm not so sure about that.

"I wasn't the only one he created - I was only the first one he kept." 

Miranda was probably the first to achieve that "perfect biology"...until she hit puberty and Mr. Lawson found out she couldn't have children. I'm willing to bet that Miranda didn't quite understand what was going on until Mr Lawson turned his attention away from her and then realized that she was expected to meet impossible demands and that she had an unusual lack of friends.  

Well by first true attempt I meant first one he kept. I always took that line as he created others but only Miranda made it out of infancy. Poor wording on my part. I assume the ones before Miranda had genetic defects, poor growth progression, or whatever else could impact a test tube baby, and that prevented Mr. Lawson from keeping them. I picture Miranda as a checkpoint on his way to his dynasty.

edit: Bsn formatting is not liking me today.

Modifié par strive, 28 mai 2011 - 09:08 .

[MisterJB]

strive wrote...
Well by first true attempt I meant first one he kept. I always took that line as he created others but only Miranda made it out of infancy. Poor wording on my part. I assume the ones before Miranda had genetic defects, poor growth progression, or whatever else could impact
a test tube baby, and that prevented Mr. Lawson from keeping them.

I so want an "Alien Ressurection I-7 Room" scene in ME3
For those who didn't see the movie, it's when the alien snacks encounter a room filled with nightmarish Ripley Clones in varying levels of hideousness.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 mai 2011 - 09:14 .

[MACharlie1]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Slight sidetrack:
http://twitter.com/#...567266766815232
"Tough to convey the full scope of a game like #ME3 in a 20-min demo. About to do some video editing to showcase other aspects for #E3"

Good, they will reveal a lot of things at E3.
Unfortunately, I fear they will remain silent about Miranda ... 

Miranda is one of the poster girls for ME2 and was given a lot of attention with her actress voice and modeled face. If they aren't saying much about her then than it's something big. 

^Optimist. 

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...
I so want an "Alien Ressurection I-7 Room" scene in ME3
For those who didn't see the movie, it's when the alien snacks encounter a room filled with nightmarish Ripley Clones in varying levels of hideousness.

Oh wow that would be creepy:blink:
I can imagine her smashing all of the tubes like Ripley did.
That movie sucked so much though...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 28 mai 2011 - 09:41 .

[jtav]

I could see something like that.

And here's another question: of all the crosses for Miranda to bear, why infertility? Why not flesh out her childhood or give her something that affects more of her life? My theory is that it was the first thing that popped into their heads when they decided the perfect woman needed problems. She can't have something related to her background or job. She has to secretly want a baby and normal life. Grr.

[MisterJB]

Wanting a baby doesn't necessarely mean wanting a normal life. Miranda could have wanted a child simply because motherhood is not something her genes could have prepared her for, making it a way for her to prove to herself that she can be good at something her genetic manipulation can't help her with.
Or it migth be because Miranda wanted someone to love her for what she is and not what she can do.

With that being said, I think it was simply because people tend to discount psychological scars when compared to physical ones. For example, I feel that most people don't realize just how horrible "The only thing I can take credit for are my mistakes." actually is.
So they had to give her a medical condition.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 mai 2011 - 10:26 .

[goofyomnivore]

jtav wrote...

I could see something like that.

And here's another question: of all the crosses for Miranda to bear, why infertility? Why not flesh out her childhood or give her something that affects more of her life? My theory is that it was the first thing that popped into their heads when they decided the perfect woman needed problems. She can't have something related to her background or job. She has to secretly want a baby and normal life. Grr.

She never had a normal life or family. Maybe the writer(s) thought that would be a firestarter for her wanting to have a family. It is something she never had, but they also wanted to inflict some pain on her character. It is horribly cliche IMO, but logical and easy to write.

I'd rather they had approached her idealistic(naive at times) vision of Cerberus. I think that is a good conflict. She thinks/expects more out of Cerberus than it actually is/delivers. I was expecting to see the Loyalist have some conflict on her opinion of Cerberus. Instead we get like two lines if you Paragon her.

Modifié par strive, 28 mai 2011 - 10:38 .

[TomY90]

MisterJB wrote...

Wanting a baby doesn't necessarely mean wanting a normal life. Miranda could have wanted a child simply because motherhood is not something her genes could have prepared her for, making it a way for her to prove to herself that she can be good at something her genetic manipulation can't help her with.
Or it migth be because Miranda wanted someone to love her for what she is and not what she can do.

With that being said, I think it was simply because people tend to discount psychological scars when compared to physical ones. For example, I feel that most people don't realize just how horrible "The only thing I can take credit for are my mistakes." actually is.
So they had to give her a medical condition.

I actually agree with you that it is likely that it is trying to get people who do not think as much to miranda as we do to relate to her more but I think personally it was simply done to create curve balls about characters stories

for instance they gave

Grunt researching tons about Humans (seem to show he prefers human history over Krogan history) 

Legion being a serious gamer (just random and funny)

Jack being really into poetry etc. (ashley williams mark 2 on the way)

Garrus talking to his sister and donating samples to help Thane if I remember right

Jacob was just Obsessed with fitness plans (not interesting at all)

Tali (for male romances) was heavily researching into human intercourse etc

Samara trying to maintain a family of ardyt yashi's (if i said it right)

Thane how long he has left to live and why he has an exposed chest

i think you get the idea

they are nothing really that will effect the characters just trying to add further depth to such ones

but i doubt you will get much about it in ME3 if we do I will be pleasantly surprised about it all.

[MisterJB]

TomY90 wrote...

Grunt researching tons about Humans (seem to show he prefers human history over Krogan history)

It's probrably because his battlemaster is a human. Grunt's dossier is one of the funny ones, what with him searching for Tyranossaurus-Wrex and everything else.
No point putting much tought into it.

Legion being a serious gamer (just random and funny)

The point of Legion's dossier is to demonstrate that there's more to the Geth than simply artificial intelligence.

Buying "Geth Attack: Eden Prime Fundraising Edition: " shows he regrets what the Heretics did on Eden prime, getting the "Abolitionist (Complete full playthrough without any slave kills, free all slaves encountered)" award and the "Cure for What Ails You (Kill 100+ quarians) " award shows that the Geth resent the Quarian for what they did, etc.

Jack being really into poetry etc. (ashley williams mark 2 on the way)

Jack is emo, shocking news indeed. But what's important about her dossier is that it shows her parent migth still be alive.

Garrus talking to his sister and donating samples to help Thane if I remember right

Garrus's dossier is one of the best, IMO.
The samples were to help his mother actually.

Thane how long he has left to live and why he has an exposed chest

Thane's dossier shows that there is a way to at least extend his lifespan. It will probrably come into play in ME3.

they are nothing really that will effect the characters just trying to add further depth to such ones

I disagree, there are some dossiers that are, most likely, giving us a preview of the character's roles in ME3.
For example, I will be very surprised if we don't meet Garrus's family, apporach Miranda's sterility and try to convice Thane to get a lung transplant in ME3.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 mai 2011 - 10:59 .