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[TomY90]

from reading what you said MisterJB you sound more right than me and it appears I really need to look at those dossiers once more considering how many key parts you mentioned i forgot

completely forgot about jacks parents and got thane mixed up with garruses mum (not sure how that is possible though lol) i somehow cant imagine Thane in a dress and wearing lipstick

I think some will some wont come up from the dossiers I will be surprised if we see anything of Garrus family probably just talk to Garrus about them probably

I do think you are probably right about Jack will probably have meet the parents trip

and i can imagine you are right about thane having something do with his condition

I think at most there will be a discussion about the condition of miranda and likely you see the end product after the ending of ME3 (like video clips of what happened to the characters afterwards with cutting from character to character, world to world etc)

but i would find it interesting getting even more deeper into the character stories overall (eventhough the stories are pretty deep as it is)

Modifié par TomY90, 28 mai 2011 - 11:26 .

[HK-90210]

You know, try as I might, I can't accept the explanation given for Miranda's infertility. From my in-depth research into the subject(30 minutes browsing wikipedia and WebMD), that kind of benign neoplasm is something we are darn close to solving now.

I like that it adds more depth to her character, but I just can't close my eyes and blindly accept that what is close to being resolved by 21st century human medicine can''t be solved by 22nd-century galactic medicine. Miranda brought Shepard back from the @#$%ing dead! Give her and Mordin three weeks and they'd have the whole fertility issue solved.

I think the doctor from Illium is either not human(although Banner Grenway does sound human) or simply incompetent. Illium, after all, is not the best place to get top-of-the-line human health care. It's a primarily non-human planet. How many humans do you actually see there in ME2? 

My guess is that Miranda went to Illium because it would be less likely for the correspondence to fall into Mr. Lawson's hands. It got to the Shadow Broker, afterall. Maybe Miranda wanted to make sure her father stayed hunting her, and not Oriana? If Mr. Lawson found out Miranda was 'infirtile', he might abandon his search for her, and focus on Miranda's sister. And Miranda has already proven that she's willing to go to quite some legths to protect Oriana.

Edit: Spelling

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 29 mai 2011 - 01:08 .

[jtav]

As much as I hate to make light of it, perhaps a miscarriage or stillbirth would have been better if her problem just had to be reproductive. Those can happen for a variety of reasons, not all of which are going to go away. The emotional hit for the player would be nearly identical.

[Vertigo_1]

http://twitter.com/#...728061324627968
"Nope. In Mass Effect we usually cast face models separately from voice actors. Miranda would be one exception."

This sounds like a confirmation that Yvonne will be doing VO for Miranda...
Thoughts?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 mai 2011 - 08:07 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...728061324627968
"Nope. In Mass Effect we usually cast face models separately from voice actors. Miranda would be one exception."

This is what happen when you choose an actress who is both talented and beautiful. 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...


This is what happen when you choose an actress who is both talented and beautiful. 

Agree 100% Talented AND Beautiful 100%

[GuitarShredUK]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...728061324627968
"Nope. In Mass Effect we usually cast face models separately from voice actors. Miranda would be one exception."

This sounds like a confirmation that Yvonne will be doing VO for Miranda...
Thoughts?

Well...why would BW go about changing it? As an earlier poster said Miri is supposed to be the "poster/cover girl" for ME2, I don't know how much that decision influenced their choice of Yvonne as both model and actress but I was expecting continuity in such things, common sense. 

@Yankee: talent + looks = winner. Watching a playthrough intro for ME2 on youtube got me interested in the whole world of Chuck for starters, simply because the guy doing the series mentioned that "does anyone recognise this girl (looking at ME2 cover), the actress that BW got for this character is also in the TV show Chuck" - got me hooked :happy:

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 29 mai 2011 - 08:35 .

[Ieldra]

CastonFolarus wrote...

You know, try as I might, I can't accept the explanation given for Miranda's infertility. From my in-depth research into the subject(30 minutes browsing wikipedia and WebMD), that kind of benign neoplasm is something we are darn close to solving now.

I like that it adds more depth to her character, but I just can't close my eyes and blindly accept that what is close to being resolved by 21st century human medicine can''t be solved by 22nd-century galactic medicine. Miranda brought Shepard back from the @#$%ing dead! Give her and Mordin three weeks and they'd have the whole fertility issue solved.

I think the doctor from Illium is either not human(although Banner Grenway does sound human) or simply incompetent. Illium, after all, is not the best place to get top-of-the-line human health care. It's a primarily non-human planet. How many humans do you actually see there in ME2?

Exactly. That's what I wrote soon after LotSB came out and repeated so often it doesn't bear thinking about. That Miranda's condition is not reversible or cannot be circumvented with the technology available makes no sense at all. I don't want that to become a major topic in ME3, but it should be acknowledged at the end.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 mai 2011 - 12:42 .

[Clonedzero]

well a big part of mirandas character is about her not really being perfect despite being designed for it. they do a good job of that in her romance by making her emotionally vulnerable and such.

her infertility is a physical imperfection to yet again show that she's not actually perfect. i think its good for her character. just curing it would not be good for her character, especially since its only really mentioned in a private email to her.

[Caihn]

GuitarShredUK wrote...

@Yankee: talent + looks = winner. Watching a playthrough intro for ME2 on youtube got me interested in the whole world of Chuck for starters, simply because the guy doing the series mentioned that "does anyone recognise this girl (looking at ME2 cover), the actress that BW got for this character is also in the TV show Chuck" - got me hooked :happy:

I was a Chuck & Yvonne fan since season 1, and an addict to Bioware games since BG2. I was so happy when I heard that Yvonne would be the voice and the face of a character in ME2.
There are a lot of reasons why I like Miranda, and her VA is definitely one of them. Yvonne did an amazing job : she managed to add depth to the character, due to her ability to play a convincing character and to convey emotions through her voice. Even her accent is an asset : it makes the character more "unique" and it's an accent very pleasant to the hear.
Too bad she didn't win the VGA award for the best female VA, last year (I think she deserved it).
So yes, I really hope she come back, because Miranda without Yvonne's voice : to me, it wouldn't be the same character.

As for her looks .. she has a beautiful face, a beautiful smile, amazing blue eyes, and she's sexy. Why searching someone else if the VA is obviously a relevant choice ? 

[GuitarShredUK]

Yannkee wrote...

GuitarShredUK wrote...

@Yankee: talent + looks = winner. Watching a playthrough intro for ME2 on youtube got me interested in the whole world of Chuck for starters, simply because the guy doing the series mentioned that "does anyone recognise this girl (looking at ME2 cover), the actress that BW got for this character is also in the TV show Chuck" - got me hooked :happy:

I was a Chuck & Yvonne fan since season 1, and an addict to Bioware games since BG2. I was so happy when I heard that Yvonne would be the voice and the face of a character in ME2.
There are a lot of reasons why I like Miranda, and her VA is definitely one of them. 

If a live action trailer/short were to be done for ME3 or just ME in general a la Dragon Age Redemption (with Felicia Day) - do you reckon that Yvonne would take the part of Miranda? IMO I'd think she'd jump in with both feet, what with her Miri-esque exploits earlier in Chuck season 4 

[Caihn]

I don't know if she would be interested but we already know that she doesn't mind wearing black leather catsuits and that she loves being brunette.

[Vertigo_1]

Well...why would BW go about changing it?

Only posted that tweet because there were folks worried she may not be back to do VO for Miranda

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 29 mai 2011 - 05:16 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Well...why would BW go about changing it?

Only posted that tweet because there were folks worried she may not be back to do VO for Miranda

IMO this tweet only confirms that Yvonne is one of the only VA who was choosed for both her voice and her looks. For her come back in ME3, we'll have to wait a real confirmation (even if a Miranda without Yvonne's voice in ME3 seems very unlikely).

[TomY90]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

http://twitter.com/#...728061324627968
"Nope. In Mass Effect we usually cast face models separately from voice actors. Miranda would be one exception."

This sounds like a confirmation that Yvonne will be doing VO for Miranda...
Thoughts?

all it confirms is that miranda will appear in ME3 with Yvonne doing the voice and face.

doesnt confirm that she is a squad member in any way (sadly)

I think she will be a full squad member i think all the romance characters will be full squad members unless you choose others wise during ME3 (and my theory so far stands correct)

Modifié par TomY90, 29 mai 2011 - 10:11 .

[Ieldra]

Clonedzero wrote...
Well a big part of mirandas character is about her not really being perfect despite being designed for it. they do a good job of that in her romance by making her emotionally vulnerable and such.

her infertility is a physical imperfection to yet again show that she's not actually perfect. i think its good for her character. just curing it would not be good for her character, especially since its only really mentioned in a private email to her.

Hmph. Miranda didn't need any more problems. Especially not a medical condition. I don't understand the kind of thinking that leads to saying "it is good for her character". Infertility is not character-defining like her other problem. Also it is important for me that ME3 will leave her the option to pass her gifts on. Genetically, Miranda is not like other humans. She lives longer, she heals faster, she has superior mind/body coordination and she learns faster. All traits I would hate to see lost. 

Also, I dislike this bandying about of "perfect" and "imperfect". There is no perfection, because there is no absolute measure for it. There's only improvement from the state that existed before. And Miranda's improvements are desirable. I hate the kind of thinking that must drag every special character down below its own level in order to feel sympathy. 

The only thing the infertility is good for at this time is that if she wants children, she might have to use advanced reproductive technology, of the kind her father used. If she did that, it would be a sign she's made peave with her origins.

[TomY90]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
Well a big part of mirandas character is about her not really being perfect despite being designed for it. they do a good job of that in her romance by making her emotionally vulnerable and such.

her infertility is a physical imperfection to yet again show that she's not actually perfect. i think its good for her character. just curing it would not be good for her character, especially since its only really mentioned in a private email to her.

Hmph. Miranda didn't need any more problems. Especially not a medical condition. I don't understand the kind of thinking that leads to saying "it is good for her character". Infertility is not character-defining like her other problem. Also it is important for me that ME3 will leave her the option to pass her gifts on. Genetically, Miranda is not like other humans. She lives longer, she heals faster, she has superior mind/body coordination and she learns faster. All traits I would hate to see lost. 

Also, I dislike this bandying about of "perfect" and "imperfect". There is no perfection, because there is no absolute measure for it. There's only improvement from the state that existed before. And Miranda's improvements are desirable. I hate the kind of thinking that must drag every special character down below its own level in order to feel sympathy. 

The only thing the infertility is good for at this time is that if she wants children, she might have to use advanced reproductive technology, of the kind her father used. If she did that, it would be a sign she's made peave with her origins.

she can still pass  on her genetics threw children even if she is infertile whether they down the route of methods used today or using cloning techniques by mixing miranda's DNA with shepherds

i also feel the way they show even someone designed to be perfect is not perfect is spot on.

especially considering she seems to be more emotional than most of the crew at times.

the fertility was just done to give a possible plot route in the future one way or another.

Modifié par TomY90, 29 mai 2011 - 10:53 .

[jtav]

I think a physical flaw could be good, from a character standpoint. The creation of Oriana implies that her perfection is incomplete. How does she feel about being the flawed prototype? Is there some resentment there? How has she adapted? It's this specific flaw I object to.

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

At the end of the day, we just can't accept that something as stupid as benign neoplasm(which is curable today) is still rendering Miranda infertile 200 years from now. Maybe if they gave her some womb damage or something that serious, I wouldve been able to begrudgingly accept it.

But a minor speed bump like benign neoplasm? ...No, nope. Miranda is still fertile. I don't give a crap, she is.

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Infertility is not character-defining like her other problem. Also it is important for me that ME3 will leave her the option to pass her gifts on. Genetically, Miranda is not like other humans. She lives longer, she heals faster, she has superior mind/body coordination and she learns faster. All traits I would hate to see lost. 

All the gifts you speak of come from her genetic manipulation, not special traits that are inherent only to Miranda and could only be passed on to offsprings of her flesh.
So, I don't see why Miranda being infertile would automatically make humanity lose those gifts. Just steal Mr.Lawson's notes, give them to The Illusive Man and he'll be mass producing perfect babies before anyone can say "master race".

Modifié par MisterJB, 29 mai 2011 - 11:11 .

[jtav]

I think what bugs Ieldra is that making the genetically perfect woman infertile is a morality lesson about her creation. There's a long tradition of artificial life not being truly alive, as symbolized by sterility.

[jtav]

And Portrait has been updated. Appropriately enough,this chapter begins my own take on a physically flawed Miranda.

[Caihn]

TomY90 wrote...

I think she will be a full squad member i think all the romance characters will be full squad members unless you choose others wise during ME3 (and my theory so far stands correct)

It was also my theory, but since they announced that there will be less squadmates in ME3, I fear there are too many LI to make this possible.
But I still hope that Miranda will be a permanent squadmate.

[Seboist]

Anyone else think TIM should have been made her father? Creating a bio-engineered clone daughter with strong biotic powers seems like something he'd do.

[MisterJB]

Seboist wrote...

Anyone else think TIM should have been made her father? Creating a bio-engineered clone daughter with strong biotic powers seems like something he'd do.

http://tvtropes.org/...autifulDaughter