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jtav wrote...

I think a physical flaw could be good, from a character standpoint. The creation of Oriana implies that her perfection is incomplete. How does she feel about being the flawed prototype? Is there some resentment there? How has she adapted? It's this specific flaw I object to.


I don't object to the flaw itself, necesarily. I think it's a fitting physical problem for Miranda's character, considering her origins. What I dislike is the idea that it is a permenant, unsolvable issue, as the email portrays it. To me, the email felt kind of condescending to Miranda. She's a fine scientist in her own right, and would know that having a benign noplasm would be a more than curable condition. And yet the doctor spouts statistics at her and mentions adoption as an alternative.

On one hand, I like that they have left the problem open to individual iterpretation. There is more than sufficient evidence for me to simply say that the doctor was an idiot. But I would like Bioware to make it canon that this issue can be overcome, that Miranda knows it, and that(in the case of her and my canon Shepard), she is intent on solving it.

To make her infertility a physical flaw that cannot under any circumstances be overcome seems to be unecesarily cruel to Miranda as a character. They did enough giving her the flaw to begin with. Doing so gave her a direction to grow, and it made people care more for her struggles. It's a wound, and it makes her character more appealing, not less. But they don't need to make the wound unhealable, and have Liara rub salt in it(bloody asari 'lots of little blue children' @#$%.)
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Sorry. I like Liara, but Miranda is better, and deserves an ending with lots of little Sheplets.

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That reminds me of a nice line from Miranda if you let the Council die.

"The asari are accusing us (humans) of arrogance. This may be a first."

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I SUPPORT MIRANDA'S ASS!

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MisterJB wrote...

That reminds me of a nice line from Miranda if you let the Council die.

"The asari are accusing us (humans) of arrogance. This may be a first."


Where's that? *ears perk up*

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jtav wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

That reminds me of a nice line from Miranda if you let the Council die.

"The asari are accusing us (humans) of arrogance. This may be a first."


Where's that? *ears perk up*


What's her name that you have to give those fake IDs to on the Citadel because C-Sec thinks she and her friend have geth connections. I agree I think it only happens when your Shepard killed the Council. I don't remember the dialogue you have to choose to get it, but that's who Miranda is commenting on.

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jtav wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

That reminds me of a nice line from Miranda if you let the Council die.

"The asari are accusing us (humans) of arrogance. This may be a first."


Where's that? *ears perk up*

It's during this quest.
http://masseffect.wi...Found_Forged_ID

Choose "if no one else will, yes", talk to them again and this time choose "To apologize" . Also, make sure Miranda is the only human on the squad.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mai 2011 - 01:47 .


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I'm starting to get worried about Miranda's fate in ME3. She and Legion are my favorite characters and I really don't want the Virmire Survivor treatment to happen to them.

I'm hoping that the Devs make an effort to make all the potential LI have more wiggle room when it comes to story and involvment. I don't want her to be a picture and a brief scene or two.

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Anybody know anything about this supposed "Luke I am your father"-esque twist that ME3 is supposed to have? There's a thread in one of the other sections saying that there's supposed to be one in ME3, but I haven't found any mention of it.

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Dr.Chakwas runs some tests and discovers that Miranda and Shepard share the same father. In order to keep the truth from Miri, Shepard has the option to throw Chakwas out of an airlock while saying "The things I do for love."

Seriously tough? A reporter who played the game/demo was the one who mentioned that there would be a "Luke I'm your father" -esque twist. That doesn't necessarely mean it involves Shepard's parentage. It could simply be quite shocking.
If I had to guess, I'd say it involves the Reaper's origins.Posted Image 

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 mai 2011 - 03:08 .


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Miranda LAwson = the Han Solo of the MAsseffect universe

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I was wondering what that was referring to. It's been mentioned in that thread a couple of times that TIM is Shep's father. That would make it difficult for me not to adopt TIM's views in ME2. Though I'm pretty sure TIM's not Miri's father as she wouldn't work for him if that were the case. As long as Shep & Miri aren't siblings, it should be fine.

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I came up with an idea where TIM was her "father." Mr. X used Jack Harper's genetic code in Miranda's creation.TIM finds out years later and decides to meet his daughter using one of his public identities. He finds a bright, driven kid who's being slowly crushed. Such a waste. So he sets in motion the events that lead her to Cerberus, so he can more subtly manipulate her.

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jtav wrote...

I came up with an idea where TIM was her "father." Mr. X used Jack Harper's genetic code in Miranda's creation.TIM finds out years later and decides to meet his daughter using one of his public identities. He finds a bright, driven kid who's being slowly crushed. Such a waste. So he sets in motion the events that lead her to Cerberus, so he can more subtly manipulate her.

That might make sense.

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jtav wrote...

I came up with an idea where TIM was her "father." Mr. X used Jack Harper's genetic code in Miranda's creation.TIM finds out years later and decides to meet his daughter using one of his public identities. He finds a bright, driven kid who's being slowly crushed. Such a waste. So he sets in motion the events that lead her to Cerberus, so he can more subtly manipulate her.


i will be surprised if it is the case but the issue with that is how he acts towards miranda especially towards the end of ME2 which does not add up.

I feel the relationship between TIM and miranda was based upon miranda needing assistance and TIM seeing potential in her and TIM deciding to control her life without her realising it.

Though it does not explain why he seems more personal with miranda than what miranda says he is like with the leaders of the divisions (i think thats because miranda is his top cerberus cell so she gets priority in his eyes)

I can imagine TIM trying to get Oriana to join cerberus's cause due to miranda leaving the group as a sort of plan B.

Oriana just needs top class teaching considering she has the same DNA as miranda so in theory she is has the same potential talent as her older twin sister.

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TomY90 wrote...

Though it does not explain why he seems more personal with miranda than what miranda says he is like with the leaders of the divisions (i think thats because miranda is his top cerberus cell so she gets priority in his eyes)


Miranda was on the run during her late teens. If she was recruited by Cerberus soon after It would make sense that she'd look at him a as surrogate father during the beginning of their professional relationship  So that's almost 20 years of staunchly serving TIM. It's evident that if TIM were a BIG BAD then she was his Dragon that (unfotunatley) made a High Heel Face Turn. Hopefully the writers will give more explanation and development on why she decided to stick it to TIM if CB was destroyed. It's there in ME2 but subtle as Hell and you have to have her tag along to see it. This is a big reason why haters still hate on Miranda.

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CastonFolarus wrote...

jtav wrote...

I think a physical flaw could be good, from a character standpoint. The creation of Oriana implies that her perfection is incomplete. How does she feel about being the flawed prototype? Is there some resentment there? How has she adapted? It's this specific flaw I object to.


I don't object to the flaw itself, necesarily. I think it's a fitting physical problem for Miranda's character, considering her origins. What I dislike is the idea that it is a permenant, unsolvable issue, as the email portrays it. To me, the email felt kind of condescending to Miranda. She's a fine scientist in her own right, and would know that having a benign noplasm would be a more than curable condition. And yet the doctor spouts statistics at her and mentions adoption as an alternative.

On one hand, I like that they have left the problem open to individual iterpretation. There is more than sufficient evidence for me to simply say that the doctor was an idiot. But I would like Bioware to make it canon that this issue can be overcome, that Miranda knows it, and that(in the case of her and my canon Shepard), she is intent on solving it.

To make her infertility a physical flaw that cannot under any circumstances be overcome seems to be unecesarily cruel to Miranda as a character. They did enough giving her the flaw to begin with. Doing so gave her a direction to grow, and it made people care more for her struggles. It's a wound, and it makes her character more appealing, not less. But they don't need to make the wound unhealable, and have Liara rub salt in it(bloody asari 'lots of little blue children' @#$%.)


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There is nothing I could add to this. This is what I've always wanted: a way to remove/circumvent the condition, possibly based on players' choices. From my point of view, anything else would add insult to injury, suggesting that even after having brought Shepard back from the dead, Miranda hasn't got the knowledge to deal with a comparably simple medical condition. 

Oops...I'm repeating myself. I'll stop now.

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That fan art is stunning Naledgeborn. Which fan group did you find it in? I must have missed it.

Also I'm new here so my apologies if this is an idiotic question.

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jtav wrote...
I think what bugs Ieldra is that making the genetically perfect woman infertile is a morality lesson about her creation. There's a long tradition of artificial life not being truly alive, as symbolized by sterility.

Yes indeed. To say that it "bugs me" that my favorite character's infertility could possible serve as a lesson in a kind of morality I absolutely despise would be a vast understatement. It's quite possible that this would break her for me.

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Costigan_n7 wrote...

That fan art is stunning Naledgeborn. Which fan group did you find it in? I must have missed it.

Also I'm new here so my apologies if this is an idiotic question.

It was posted in the "Miranda for Romance & Squadmate" in ME3 group. I'm guessing it was found on DA (as that's where they're almost always from).

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Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
I think what bugs Ieldra is that making the genetically perfect woman infertile is a morality lesson about her creation. There's a long tradition of artificial life not being truly alive, as symbolized by sterility.

Yes indeed. To say that it "bugs me" that my favorite character's infertility could possible serve as a lesson in a kind of morality I absolutely despise would be a vast understatement. It's quite possible that this would break her for me.


when you say it like that i know understand where you were coming from with it being a bad thing to use especially with as jtav said about it being a lesson on creation.

I hope for the sake of story they make it that she and shepherd can have children if the person playing the games wishes it to be so.

I hate to say this but i can imagine this infertility will get mentioned in ME3 from miranda quite a bit if in a relationship with her but I doubt bioware will not give everyone the endings they hope/want.

I want a happy ever after with shepherd and miranda after saving the galaxy from the reapers and settle down possibly marry and start a family

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I really don't want the conventional happy ending for them. I especially don't want a Shepard Jr. Let the bloody infertility be forgotten. It doesn't matter if she can pass on her genes.

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It would still be nice to have the choice~
And I hope BW doesn't take the easy way and build the Miranda/Shepard relationship around that issue...

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Errol Dnamyx wrote...

It would still be nice to have the choice~
And I hope BW doesn't take the easy way and build the Miranda/Shepard relationship around that issue...


Would they build it off of something found in a DLC that may or may not be true?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 31 mai 2011 - 07:19 .