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[Vertigo_1]

We will see about the whole Alliance thing. As for XO I highly doubt they will give it to Miranda again no matter what (with there being Alliance folks on the Normandy in ME3).  Not that I wouldn't mind giving her that position!

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Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 juin 2011 - 02:03 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

We will see about the whole Alliance thing. As for XO I highly doubt they will give it to Miranda again no matter what (with there being Alliance folks on the Normandy in ME3).  Not that I wouldn't mind giving her that position!

Why Miranda cannot have her job back, whereas Joker can ? He's no alliance anymore in ME2, and worked for Cerberus.
I also doubt they will replace all the crew, I imagine that people like Dr Chakwas, Gabriella Daniels or Kenneth Donnelly could return.
I don't want a Normandy with a crew chosen for political reasons, I want an experienced and competant crew.

[jtav]

Because Miranda was a high-ranking Cerberus officer, one of six people who ever saw TIM face to face. She'd be an extremely high-value target for acquisition and interrogation. They aren't going to make her first officer on one of their ships. If she's on the Normandy, she'll likely be in some kind of Boxed Crook or other scenario where she's there because of Shepard and they don't have to officially sanction it.

[GuitarShredUK]

@Yannkkee: my thoughts exactly. A key factor should be that if Miri was present at the end of the SM and resigned from Cerberus (if that is official), then she is a "free" agent so to speak..there's so many possibilities for her character in ME3, I'm keen for BW's ME3 footage at E3 tonight to answer some questions

Anyway, I'm sure Hackett and others in Alliance staff would actually love Miri/Joker/Chakwas back on Shepard's crew in ME3, since they are human and a more typical Alliance crew, especially if the Admiral who does a spot inspection of the Normandy SR1 at the Citadel returns...**fails to remember his name**

@jtav: I like the boxed crook analogy, in my opinion Shepard should be able to pick his crew, so Miri can come along for the ride no matter what. However if Shepard only meets her later in the game, so during the meat of the story to gather support for the final battle, due to external circumstances then she can jump on board regardless...right?

Unless there's some bureaucratic bull being employed by the Alliance that means that the Normandy's crew gets vetted in terms of recruitment etc **cringes**  

Modifié par GuitarShredUK, 06 juin 2011 - 02:50 .

[Caihn]

Rear Admiral Mikhailovich

I don't think Miranda will come with Shepard at the trial, she's not stupid, she knows how the Alliance works.
That's why I think she won't be there at the begining of the game, but I hope we will be able to bring her back on the Normandy later.

I don't think the Alliance will be able to supervise Shepard after the reapers attack. So Shepard could lead his ship and manage his crew freely.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[jtav]

@GS. I think they'd be more than happy to look the other way and have her on the squad if things were bad, though there would be elements calling for her arrest/interrogation execution. But giving her an official rank and role, let alone 2IC, is kind of dumb.

[naledgeborn]

I think a romanced Miranda will be pissed off at Shepard for turning himself into the Alliance during the verge of the Reaper invasion.

Not counting on her being there during the trial but I'm more than certain that her name will be brought up.

[jtav]

Oh, yes. Hard to pass yourself off as reluctantly working with terrorists when you're sleeping with one. Prosecution will pounce on that.

I think she understands sacrificing one man to avoid a costly and pointless war. She won't be happy, but shell understand.

Modifié par jtav, 06 juin 2011 - 03:22 .

[Clonedzero]

i want miranda and garrus to break me out of jail at the start of ME3.
so my dream team will be back together from the start

[MisterJB]

Miranda would be upset if Shepard turns himself in to the Alliance out of honor. However, she would understand that Shepard has to attend the trial in order to prevent a Human-Batarian war.
Besides, the Alliance will try to make the trial as public as possible. The entire Galaxy will be watching. What better way to warn everyone about the Reapers.

[outmane]

Yannkee wrote...

I don't think Miranda will come with Shepard at the trial, she's not stupid, she knows how the Alliance works.
That's why I think she won't be there at the begining of the game, but I hope we will be able to bring her back on the Normandy later.

A military trial isnt quite like a movie trial... They dont let ppl in or have the press record the thing when they ask you 'so what are the big defense secret you uncovered?'. That makes me think even the permanent squadmates wont be with you at that point. Seeing how Garrus and Tali are alien, they might even be locked up somewhere. Miri is a practical girl so i dont see her standing by the door waiting for you to be done yelling at the alliance brass. Hopefully shes somewhere starting to make things happen.

I like the idea of not having her with Shep the whole time. I think its the price to pay to really show that shes an equal, able to handle missions on her own. Id even see her tell Shep 'I know youd like me by your side but right now theres work to do' over the holophone. Being able to stay in contact and discuss mission parameters would be nice (no stupid letter like the VS did... this is the future, give me an holo). Instead of not being there and then joining for the rest of the game, id see her joining for a mission then planning things ahead with Shep and splitting to go do something else while hes on an other mission. Of course shed be back for the last part of the game.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

What if Miri is taken by the Alliance, and then tortured?

The Alliance wouldn't dare. If they do, I will PERSONALLY give them to the Reapers on a SILVER PLATTER!!!!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 06 juin 2011 - 03:29 .

[Caihn]

naledgeborn wrote...

I think a romanced Miranda will be pissed off at Shepard for turning himself into the Alliance during the verge of the Reaper invasion.

Not counting on her being there during the trial but I'm more than certain that her name will be brought up.

I'm not so sure. If she resigned, and if you decided to turn your back on Cerberus, the only chance to have a real logistic support is the Alliance. I think she would understand that.
Of course she wouldn't be very happy to see the Alliance put their hands on the SR2, but they don't have the choice. 

If they dare say something bad about her during the trial, I hope we'll be able to speak and defend her name. 

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 juin 2011 - 03:33 .

[jtav]

If there's any capturing and torturing to be done, it will be at Cerberus' hands.

[MisterJB]

The Alliance doesn't torture people. It's Kai Leng you should be worried about.

outmane wrote...
I like the idea of not having her with Shep the whole time. I think its the price to pay to really show that shes an equal, able to handle missions on her own. Id even see her tell Shep 'I know youd like me by your side but right now theres work to do' over the holophone. Being able to stay in contact and discuss mission parameters would be nice (no stupid letter like the VS did... this is the future, give me an holo). Instead of not being there and then joining for the rest of the game, id see her joining for a mission then planning things ahead with Shep and splitting to go do something else while hes on an other mission. Of course shed be back for the last part of the game.

Yeah, I'd like that as well. I could see Miranda forming her own squad composed by those that the Alliance would not want on the Normandy SR3 (Jacob, Thane, etc) and focus on keeping Cerberus off Shepard's back while he is recruiting.

Modifié par MisterJB, 06 juin 2011 - 03:40 .

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Oh, yes. Hard to pass yourself off as reluctantly working with terrorists when you're sleeping with one. Prosecution will pounce on that.

I think she understands sacrificing one man to avoid a costly and pointless war. She won't be happy, but shell understand.

I agree and this is what I'm hoping for.  Hopefully you can respond to that.  I also agree she would understand the stakes.

@Yannkee about the XO thing: Anyone other than Joker at the helm wouldn't make sense.  Hes been there from the beginning whereas Miranda (as XO) has not.  You bring up a good point about Joker though...maybe he will be detained during the trial and when the Reapers invade both of you head to the Normandy?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 juin 2011 - 03:45 .

[Td1984]

Yannkee wrote...

I can imagine that Miranda could be not available at the beginning of the game (trying to rescue her sister), but after that I see no reasons why she would refuse to join the crew and help Shepard to face Cerberus and the Reapers.

I figure that what I'm about to say is going to be unpopular, but if this is the case, the more I think about it, the more I'm okay with the possibility of Oriana being on board the Normandy. We'd have 2 people of Miri's intelligence onboard. Miranda could fight alongside us just like she did in ME2, while Oriana could stay on the Normandy as an NPC and fill the role Miri had in ME:Galaxy when she worked with Jacob.

[Clonedzero]

miranda ME3 personal/loyalty mission will likely involve saving oriana from cerberus

[Vertigo_1]

Clonedzero wrote...

miranda ME3 personal/loyalty mission will likely involve saving oriana from cerberus

We already saved her in ME2.
Do we need to do it again? That would be boring...have it so that Miranda does this offscreen please.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

A rescue mission to save Miri somehow? Or a mission where Miri saves you?

[jtav]

Agreed. Have her either bring down her father or be heavily involved in ending Cerberus once and for all.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Agreed. Have her either bring down her father or be heavily involved in ending Cerberus once and for all.

Exactly.  Her father is a mystery to us right now (we haven't seen him etc).  Cerberus is also a threat to Shepard so that is something I expect her to be a part of, meaning she helps us take them down

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

@Yannkee about the XO thing: Anyone other than Joker at the helm wouldn't make sense.  Hes been there from the beginning whereas Miranda (as XO) has not.  You bring up a good point about Joker though...maybe he will be detained during the trial and when the Reapers invade both of you head to the Normandy?

That's why I think the Alliance won't be able to promote/choose people for the new Normandy. The sudden reapers attack will certainly make everyone panic, and the only thing that will matter is your escape.
I think the VS and Vega will be our first squadmates, because they will be there at the trial and will help you to escape.

I think Joker, like almost all the crew members of the SR2 (if survived) will already be on board.

After that, the Alliance won't be able to supervise us, so I guess we'll be able to pick everyone we want.
Miranda first, for me.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 juin 2011 - 04:06 .

[Caihn]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

A rescue mission to save Miri somehow? Or a mission where Miri saves you?

If Miranda went recue her sister, I hope we will be able to join her, or to recruit her after the job done. I don't want to have to save her.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Yannkee wrote...


That's why I think the Alliance won't be able to promote/choose people for the new Normandy. The sudden reapers attack will certainly make everyone panic, and the only thing that will matter is your escape.
I think the VS and Vega will be our first squadmates, because they will be there at the trial and will help you to escape.

I think Joker, like almost all the crew members of the SR2 (if survived) will already be on board.

After that, the Alliance won't be able to supervise us, so I guess we'll be able to pick everyone we want.
Miranda first, for me.

MIRI FIRST FOR ME TOO!