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[AndroLeonidas]

jtav wrote...

And I have finished all of Miranda's romance except for the engine room scene. If I found the kiss underwhelming (I reloaded and did the Paragon version, which I prefer) the hug was totally worth it. Strahovski is in top form for the whole scene and conveys Miranda's distress very well. I thought she was going to cry at one point. You can tell that Shepard matters to her. This is not a fling and if ME3 presents it as such it will be character derailment of the worst sort. It's still not my favorite romance, nor have I wavered in my Miranda/someone else tendencies, but my impression has improved a bit. My favorite bit is actually a small one, when she touches his chest after the loyalty mission. She wants this, but won't let herself have it. Poor Miranda, so afraid of having her heart broken.

Unfortunately... BW has a habit of doing this. They did it with Rev/Bas in KOTOR... they did it with Shep/Liara in ME2.

Unless we get some early details we don't even know who will be character sin ME3 aside from Shep. That's what is so darn frustrating right now.

[Ieldra]

ShadowJ20 wrote...
Quick question......about the Jack and Miranda dispute, does anyone know how much paragon you need in order to diffuse it? My paragon is up to the last bar. So there's one empty bar left. I've only gotten this to work when I imported my character from ME1 with the bonus paragon pts. Everytime I do another playthrough and start off with zero I can't get it to work. Is doing their loyalty mission earlier or later a factor?

Yes. The earlier, the easier. The requirements go up as you progress through the game, and if you don't play one-sided, it's difficult to get the persuasion options enabled if you don't play an imported Shepard and get the situation late in the game. Also, this situation is easier to defuse with Intimidation.

[AndroLeonidas]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ShadowJ20 wrote...
Quick question......about the Jack and Miranda dispute, does anyone know how much paragon you need in order to diffuse it? My paragon is up to the last bar. So there's one empty bar left. I've only gotten this to work when I imported my character from ME1 with the bonus paragon pts. Everytime I do another playthrough and start off with zero I can't get it to work. Is doing their loyalty mission earlier or later a factor?

Yes. The earlier, the easier. The requirements go up as you progress through the game, and if you don't play one-sided, it's difficult to get the persuasion options enabled if you don't play an imported Shepard and get the situation late in the game. Also, this situation is easier to defuse with Intimidation.

I've never played with a blank shep. I always imported. Is it harder to play through with a fresh shepard?

[LuxDragon]

Actually, no. But the real problem I had playing a stock Shepard was the default choices made for you in regards to ME 1. That made my game suck.

[Breakdown Boy]

Hey LuxD, read your laitest fanfic update, great like allways! Your making a habbit of being awsome!

[Ieldra]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

ShadowJ20 wrote...
Quick question......about the Jack and Miranda dispute, does anyone know how much paragon you need in order to diffuse it? My paragon is up to the last bar. So there's one empty bar left. I've only gotten this to work when I imported my character from ME1 with the bonus paragon pts. Everytime I do another playthrough and start off with zero I can't get it to work. Is doing their loyalty mission earlier or later a factor?

Yes. The earlier, the easier. The requirements go up as you progress through the game, and if you don't play one-sided, it's difficult to get the persuasion options enabled if you don't play an imported Shepard and get the situation late in the game. Also, this situation is easier to defuse with Intimidation.

How early should I do the both their mission...if I do it ASAP then I'm afraid I don't have enough paragon pts to do it with.  Note:This is on a second playthrough with an imported Shep from ME1.  You lose all your paragon pts.

The earlier, the better. Consult my new ME2 Persuasion Guide for details.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
You know what, we haven't talked much about Miranda's renegade side. We only see her act renegade  five times, at the beginning,with Jack,Joker activating EDI.involvement with Niket and( if you're high) siding with Jack. I was wonder everyone opinion of of Mirandas other side? Is that side a truly what Miranda feels at any given time, or is it a split personalty, brought up by years of abuse? Will we see that side returning in Mass Effect 3? And would you want, that side to return? Oh, and did that side come off as,or should have been the renegade romance?

Miranda is mostly Renegade. Not completely, but for most of the game and in most important situations where being Renegade doesn't amount to being a jerk. Given the prevalence of the "jerk" situations, I consider her score about 90% Renegade, 70% Paragon if she'd get points equal to Shepard throughout the game. The relatively high Paragon score comes from the fact that many situations increase both scores, from avoiding the "jerk" responses and in those situations where being Paragon doesn't cost anything. For Miranda is not callous, and she will be Renegade mostly in the important situations, where "the end is important enough to justify the means".  

Given this, it's her Paragon side that deserves more attention, because it's considerably less prevalent in her actions. There are lines she will not cross, as seen on Pragia, and the Collector base will make her change somewhat as well.

In ME3, if Miranda lost her Renegade tendency that would destroy her character for me. I like her ruthless streak. If it is somewhat mitigated by a Paragon Shepard that'd be OK, but a Paragon Miranda would not be Miranda Lawson anymore. My preferred ending with Miranda taking over and reshaping Cerberus also requires her to retain a ruthless streak.
Also, I do not think there is a "Renegade romance". Miranda has a personality that appeals to players of all kinds, as proven by the various statements here in this thread. Her fans come from all across the spectrum.
 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra, if you see this, I hadn't done Samara and Thane's recruitment or any Illium quests. My Paragon bar was about half full, with my Renegade bar a little over a bar behind.

Then it's even easier. It should be almost impossible to not get both options if you do it that early. Also the Renegade option is about half a bar easier to get than the Paragon option IIRC. With R half full and P a bar behind this probably wouldn't have worked.

[Ieldra]

**double post**

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juin 2010 - 12:06 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
And I have finished all of Miranda's romance except for the engine room scene. If I found the kiss underwhelming (I reloaded and did the Paragon version, which I prefer) the hug was totally worth it. Strahovski is in top form for the whole scene and conveys Miranda's distress very well. I thought she was going to cry at one point. You can tell that Shepard matters to her. This is not a fling and if ME3 presents it as such it will be character derailment of the worst sort.

I still prefer the kiss, but I miss not being able to get the other option after it. It seems even in a fictional romance, you can't have everything. **grumbles**. QFT for the rest. This is not a fling!

It's still not my favorite romance, nor have I wavered in my Miranda/someone else tendencies,...

Heh...at this point, changing those tendencies might come across as jtav character derailment

but my impression has improved a bit. My favorite bit is actually a small one, when she touches his chest after the loyalty mission. She wants this, but won't let herself have it. Poor Miranda, so afraid of having her heart broken.

Who isn't? Afraid of having their hearts broken, I mean? I agree this scene is very touching and should really make anything empathize with her. I wonder how anyone can play her loyalty mission as maleShep and still spout that nonsense about....well, you know. No reason to repeat it all.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
And I have finished all of Miranda's romance except for the engine room scene. If I found the kiss underwhelming (I reloaded and did the Paragon version, which I prefer) the hug was totally worth it. Strahovski is in top form for the whole scene and conveys Miranda's distress very well. I thought she was going to cry at one point. You can tell that Shepard matters to her. This is not a fling and if ME3 presents it as such it will be character derailment of the worst sort.

I still prefer the kiss, but I miss not being able to get the other option after it. It seems even in a fictional romance, you can't have everything. **grumbles**. QFT for the rest. This is not a fling!

No, it isn't. You don't nearly break down over someone you intend to have a purely sexual relationship with. I can see reasons for the relationship to end. That wouldn't make me angry (if it were done well) but presenting it as if she had never intended a serious relationship would.

It's still not my favorite romance, nor have I wavered in my Miranda/someone else tendencies,...

Heh...at this point, changing those tendencies might come across as jtav character derailment

You never know, I did get sold on Shep/Liara fairly late in the game. Though I suppose it's better to be infamous for that than some of the other things I've said.

but my impression has improved a bit. My favorite bit is actually a small one, when she touches his chest after the loyalty mission. She wants this, but won't let herself have it. Poor Miranda, so afraid of having her heart broken.

Who isn't? Afraid of having their hearts broken, I mean? I agree this scene is very touching and should really make anything empathize with her. I wonder how anyone can play her loyalty mission as maleShep and still spout that nonsense about....well, you know. No reason to repeat it all.

The nonsense that it's a fling or the nonsense that she's heartless? I get the former. Your last impression of the romance is the engine room scene, where the focus is on sex. I'm almost certain I'll be complaining when I get that far. As for the latter, I don't get it either.

So, permission to go back to my FemSheps after this?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
So, permission to go back to my FemSheps after this?

Do you think the differences in the opinions of the romances might be influenced by gender? For instance, I've noticed that your lukewarm response to Miranda's romance mirrors my own response to Thane's romance. I still think he's a great character, even as you think Miranda is a great character.
(BTW, Kaidan's is the only male LI whose romance I like, and I would like to talk about him more, but I'm creeped out by what's going on on his thread - that may also be a gender thing, as I recall you being almost creeped out by some of the responses here when there were more -spammers active).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juin 2010 - 01:59 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
So, permission to go back to my FemSheps after this?

Do you think the differences in the opinions of the romances might be influenced by gender? For instance, I've noticed that your lukewarm response to Miranda's romance mirrors my own response to Thane's romance. I still think he's a great character, even as you think Miranda is a great character.
(BTW, Kaidan's is the only male LI whose romance I like, and I would like to talk about him more, but I'm creeped out by what's going on on his thread - that may also be a gender thing, as I recall you being almost creeped out by some of the responses here when there were more -spammers active).

Possibly, though Nightwriter is a girl who loves the romance. I do think there are some things a woman is more likely to respond to than a man. Speaking for myself, I'm more verbal and respond well to characters saying romantic things. Sex scenes in movies/games tend to leave me a bit cold. I also have a thing for tragic or unrequited love.

I think the discomfort on threads is a gender thing. It's really awkward watching people sexually fantasize about a character you aren't attracted to. And they're kind of objectifying you too, in a way. I'm profoundly grateful for whatever happened to reduce the number of -spammers. It makes it much easier for me to post and not feel like I'm one wrong word away from being sexxually harrassed. Though the drooling over Strahovski always bothered me more than that over Miranda. I like my Miranda pics. I hope the couple of posts talking about how hot she is and nothing else aren't a sign of things to come.

[Jebel Krong]

that's hot.

[jtav]

Ha! I guess I deserved that.



Seriously, I'm always surprised by how little focus there is on Miranda's attractiveness in comparison to other support threads and especially compared to the general perception of her as nothing more than eye candy fanservice.

[jtav]

She resigns regardless of gender or loyalty status if you take her to the final boss and destroy the base. As much as I think a non-loyal Miranda should have turned on you, I like that. Thhis is not a case of Love Redeems. For whatever reason, she has come to doubt Cerberus and makes her decision independently of how she feels about Shep.

[jtav]

Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

[Prudii Aden]

jtav wrote...
Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

Because they're doing an all or nothing. They're trying to assert that their LI is more important than everything (including all the other LI's).

That's my guess anyway.

[Melra]

Or because some people just might not like the other characters. I don't know, I'd only miss Miranda and Joker. Garrus would be a loss, but acceptable one, if I could still have Kaidan.



But I say everyone have their right to do their fanning in any way they like as long as it doesn't do anyone harm.

[jtav]

See, I get not liking other characters, but when people say they'd choose their favorite over the entire galaxy, I don't get it. Though I would choose Miranda over my actual LI. Sorry, Kaidan. Philia trumps eros.

[Melra]

People see things differently, trying to understand them is alright, but I first saw it as looking down upon other people's views. Sorry I probably misread the whole thing.

Speaking of Kaidan, little offtopic question, can you get him to Normandy as male Shepard? When Normandy gets destroyed that is? It's not really important, but I would have rather had him taking people to pods, since he probably would've been more convincing than Liara.

Personal view on the willingness to sacrifice planet full of people for LI, well I'd probably do it. At least on first run through, but that's because I'd probably go out of character a bit there and start thinking more about future gameplan.

Modifié par Melrache, 29 juin 2010 - 06:24 .