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[Collider]

Yep. If you don't romance Liara and you save Kaidan, Kaidan is the one who runs up to Shepard. In Phoenix Armor, no less.

[Melra]

Collider wrote...

Yep. If you don't romance Liara and you save Kaidan, Kaidan is the one who runs up to Shepard. In Phoenix Armor, no less.

Aight thanks, I'll need to find someone with ME1 save that fits me and try to get that version. 

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

I think they don't think it through. For those people it's just a game and of course they want to keep their LI. A virtual planet doesn't matter then. I tend to take my stories more seriously. I'd *really* hate to see the choice "Miranda or the mission" in ME3, because I would have to choose the mission. BTW, that's what my old fanfic "A promise of love and death" (see OP) is about.

[jtav]

I'd choose the mission as well, It strikes me as fundamentally aheroic to do otherwise. But what do I know? I'm the only one here who's upset Miranda is so hard to kill (unless its for ME3 purposes--then all is forgiven).

[Collider]

One of the reasons why they likely had Miranda only able to die at the last portion of the suicide mission is so there will always be a biotic available for the seeker swarm segment. Granted, they could have avoided that problem by having Jack and/or Jacob unable to be killed on the Normandy.



Oh yea. And the mission comes first. I'd be annoyed if Bioware had a choice like that. It's up their with Shepard being part of a "prophecy" (in which case I'd consider not even continuing the game).

[jtav]

Though it's still incredibly annoying that she's the only squadmate death I have to plan ahead for. Not that I enjoy killing her but it suits the story I want to tell in some games.



I'm curious. Has anyone else cried during her loyalty mission? I did during my current game. No idea what was so special about this time.

[Ieldra]

No...but it was a near thing. Miranda seeing and then meeting her sister is, for some reason, as touching as no other scene in the game. And letting her kill Niket in the scene before makes it even more poignant.

[Auzden]

ahhh miranda makes the engine room so much better

[jtav]

It's the way she says "There she is. Safe. With her family." that did it and how desperate to know her sister and how convinced she is that she'd only be a complication for Oriana. And she does get a family worthy of the name if you do it right.I also get misty during Tali's but nothing beats Miranda's for heartwarming.



Engine room *twitch*

[Collider]

Jtav, I was curious considering you said that Miranda's romance isn't your favorite. What is your favorite romance? Liara's? Thane's?



So far as the current topic goes, I didn't really get misty eyed in ME2 at any part of the game (for whatever reason that may be), but I think Miranda, Tali, and Jack's loyalty missions "affected" me most.

[jtav]

Collider, my favorite is probably Kaidan's or Thane's. Kaidan is almost exactly ny type and I like the unabashed romanticism of Thane's. Is it strange that I like Miranda's character so much more than her romance?

[Collider]

I don't find that strange. There are some flaws with her romance (as with other romances) that may not jive with some people. Generally speaking, this is my perspective:

http://social.biowar...70/#post_529770

So in effect, I agree that I like her character more than her romance. All boils down to opinion though. No one is invalid for thinking differently than I.

I actually also really like Kaidan, but I'm sad that there wasn't any really way to befriend Kaidan in ME1 as M!Shepard. He's one of my favorite characters too. I also like what they did with Thane - you can befriend him without the romance. I wish Jack were like that :/

Modifié par Collider, 29 juin 2010 - 08:30 .

[jtav]

I saw that post. I just want to shake Pups and inform him that I don't care about Miranda's sex appeal and that I didn't throw over anybody for her. I prefer FemShep (though I've been running MaleSheps to see various romances) and she's still my favorite character. That ought to put to rest the idea that she's just fanservice.

[Andaius20]

We just had a discussion on this subject when soem one asked for Kasumi's dialog about Tali in the Tali thread, it blossomed out to what she says about the other romances. Lots of folks liked to help Jack but didn't like that they had to romance her to do it.



I think it would have been cool to have expanded "friendship" dialog with the squaddies too.

[Prudii Aden]

IccRa's post is really quite good, following after Pup's idiocy. Maybe there's something there we can appropriate (with credit?) for the FAQ?

http://social.biowar...sion/6871/&p=88

[jtav]

I read that and it mirrors my feelings about Miranda fairly well. Maybe female gamers who like Miranda see something of themselves in her.

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

Well, it really depends on the situation. I can see my character sacrificing Miranda,to save earth if humanity was on there.On the other hand,if was the entire alien population on the line, Shepard would choose Miranda,besides it being a win win situation, a single human life is more valuable than an entire species of aliens.

More direct to your question, I assume, most see the squad when compared to there prospective love interest as cannon fodder.Also, given this unnamed planet of questionable value,example Virmire that could be handled later; which most likely is a shallow victory. Compared to saving the loving living love interest,who'd usually be slightly upset,but who would forgive you later...

[minormiracle]

Who's a biotic god now?

Modifié par minormiracle, 29 juin 2010 - 11:45 .

[Spornicus]

jtav wrote...

Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

Because some people take their love for characters waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy too seriously.

[Ieldra]

Quiet here....



Nice one, minormiracle.... but the worse problem: who's your LI?

[Pwnisher]

It's too quite here, at least I have Miri with me.

[Ieldra]

I'm reading a book and I've run into a statement that reminded me of Miranda. Does anyone else think Miranda would say something like "I'd never be interested in a man who wasn't worth shooting."

[TheSixthghoul]

Have we talked about Mirnadas standard outfit,yet? If not,I have no clue what Bioware was thinking. I don't know if its my HD television, but for some reason Miranda outfit looks like shiny tight latex cotton.

@Ieldra2 I don't think so. That something I, could see Ashley Williams or Maria from KOTOR2 or SIE from Alpha Protocol say. Its really a line meant for the tom boy style, shoot first, ask questions later character. I can see Miranda using a more, refined elegant, yet slightly vain statement.Shame, I can't think of one that would make her sound chaste.

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Could someone explain to me why an alarmingly large number of people say they'd choose their LI over the rest of the squad or even an entire planet? I love Miranda and wouldn't want to make that choice, but it strikes me as more selfish than loving to condemn large groups of people to death for one person.

I think they don't think it through. For those people it's just a game and of course they want to keep their LI. A virtual planet doesn't matter then. I tend to take my stories more seriously. I'd *really* hate to see the choice "Miranda or the mission" in ME3, because I would have to choose the mission. BTW, that's what my old fanfic "A promise of love and death" (see OP) is about.

it's not just that - it's the ultimate romantic challenge, isn't it? *you* or the planet/universe/whatever. people like to think they'd choose the immediate good over the greater one.

btw yes i do think miranda would say something like you wrote, in the appropriate context.



artist.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
Have we talked about Mirnadas standard outfit,yet? If not,I have no clue what Bioware was thinking. I don't know if its my HD television, but for some reason Miranda outfit looks like shiny tight latex cotton.

Let's say they could have selected an outfit that fits her personality better. One enemy statement I always react to with "I like Miranda, but you do have a point" is Enyala's....

@Ieldra2 I don't think so. That something I, could see Ashley Williams or Maria from KOTOR2 or SIE from Alpha Protocol say. Its really a line meant for the tom boy style, shoot first, ask questions later character. I can see Miranda using a more, refined elegant, yet slightly vain statement.

I don't think Miranda has a single bit of vanity. And while she has this element of refined elegance, what she values in a man is, among other things, competence. So I don't think the "shooting" statement inappropriate.

Shame, I can't think of one that would make her sound chaste.

Why is that a problem? She isn't...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juin 2010 - 10:03 .