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[Ieldra]

@JK:

Nice picture.... only the hip section seems off. It looks as if she has stuffed something into her pants. Probably a flaw of the template used by the artist.

[Ieldra]

I'd like to revisit the engine room scene discussion for a more comprehensive picture of people's opinions. So: what do you like, and/or dislike, about the scene?

Here my most important points:

Likes:
(1) It's a scene without words. I'm probably in the minority here, but I like that very much. At this point in the romance, everything important has been said, and it remains for Shepard and Miranda to express how much they care about each other in a different way. The absence of dialogue gives the scene a certain mood, and anyway, words always trigger my analytical mind which doesn't seem that appropriate.
(2) Miranda rules this scene, not Shepard. And it's not just the sex, but her presence in the whole scene.

Dislikes:
(1) The location. Not the engine room as such, but the corrugated metal floor. That can't be comfortable. Watching it makes me wince.
(2) It's a planned encounter. I can't be anything else considering the location, but I'd have preferred something more spontaneous.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juin 2010 - 11:23 .

[jtav]

Ieldra, I could definitely see Miranda saying something like that.



I think I'm going to spend a bit watching Miranda's pre-release vids. I completely missed the hype, and they seemed to evoke a very strong negative reaction.

[jtav]

I'm going to refrain from commenting on the engine room scene until I play it again. Still interested in hearing my thoughts in a few days? I remember being vastly underwhelmed the first time.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm going to refrain from commenting on the engine room scene until I play it again. Still interested in hearing my thoughts in a few days? I remember being vastly underwhelmed the first time.

Yes, of course. I'm playing more slowly myself these days. My pile of unread books screams for attention, thanks mostly to DAO and ME2. 

[TheSixthghoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Dislikes:
(1) The location. Not the engine room as such, but the corrugated metal floor. That can't be comfortable. Watching it makes me wince.
(2) It's a planned encounter. I can't be anything else considering the location, but I'd have preferred something more spontaneous.

(1) I agree, I would have preferred the command deck, right in front of the galaxy map.
(2)Aren't all of them planned encounters expect for Thane, then again, I wouldn't know; sense, I'm not ever going to play as Angela Baker again.

[TheSixthghoul]

Ieldra2 wrote...
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Shame, I can't think of one that would make her sound chaste.

Why is that a problem? She isn't...

I think its best not to know for sure. This gives the best example, I couldn't find the Chris Rock,so this speech from Chasing Amy

[jtav]

So, I just saw the FFTL trailer for the first time. I don't think they could be more misleading. Trailer!Miranda really is high-handed and arrogant. I still almost like her because I don't suffer incompetence either, but she does come off as cold and unfeeling, not to mention a thorn in the side of Paragons. In game, she comes off as more pragmatic than anything. She's also far less confident that she'll succeed or survive.



No wonder people hated her.

[Raizo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'd like to revisit the engine room scene discussion for a more comprehensive picture of people's opinions. So: what do you like, and/or dislike, about the scene?

Here my most important points:

Likes:
(1) It's a scene without words. I'm probably in the minority here, but I like that very much. At this point in the romance, everything important has been said, and it remains for Shepard and Miranda to express how much they care about each other in a different way. The absence of dialogue gives the scene a certain mood, and anyway, words always trigger my analytical mind which doesn't seem that appropriate.
(2) Miranda rules this scene, not Shepard. And it's not just the sex, but her presence in the whole scene.

Dislikes:
(1) The location. Not the engine room as such, but the corrugated metal floor. That can't be comfortable. Watching it makes me wince.
(2) It's a planned encounter. I can't be anything else considering the location, but I'd have preferred something more spontaneous.

Likes:
 
1. Much like yourself I like the fact that it is a scene without words. It implies that everything that Shepard and Miranda need to say to one another has already been said.

2. I like the fact that it is a planned encounter. It just seems in character for Miranda to want to have some measure of control on how, where and when she gives herslef to Shepard.


Dislikes:

1. The scene in general. Sure it was the steamiest sex scene in the game but it felt more like a random hook up than 2 people who have fallen in love with one another ( and I would like to think that my Shepard has fallen in love with Miranda and that she loves him back just as much ). It lacks a lot of the intimacy that I saw in the sexscene with Ashley in ME1. After ME1, there is no doubt that Ashely and Shepard are a couple ( provided you romanced her ),  in ME2 you can romance any female chraracter ( Miranda included ) and yet they all feel like 1 night stands.

2. The location. For intimacy you can't beat a bed, they should have gone to either Shepards room or Miranda's. What makes it even worse is the fact that the hook up was planned. If you are just having spontaneous sex then I supose any room could have been apropriate but the the fact that it was planned boggles my mind. Any other room on the ship would have been better ( from a comfort, a privacy and a romantic view/setting point of view ). It also feels like they have sommthing to hide by doing it in the engine room of the ship. If they truly love and respect one another then why should they be ashamed but going to each other's priavte quarters to make love. Why should they care if the other crew members gossip about them if what they have is real.

[Crunchyinmilk]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Dislikes:
(2) It's a planned encounter. It [sic] can't be anything else considering the location, but I'd have preferred something more spontaneous.

I'm not really sure why they chose that location either, putting aside the abundant jokes and snarky reasons people come up with, I guess Shepard's line about 'neutral ground' hits the mark well enough. To me it felt like Miranda still keeping Shepard at some distance.

I didn't expect (or want) her to 'sneak into the captain's quarters' but I guess she's not ready to invite Shepard to her cabin in that manner (yet?) either.

The planning aspect I understood completely though, this is pure Miranda.

I have paragon romanced Miranda, it was ok, but not great. It felt like Shepard was giving Miranda 'permission' (and room) to be herself with him. I can see Jacob being the same way with her, and that didn't end well. I should try the renegade approach, and see if Shepard can persuade Miranda to be more impulsive.

[Ieldra]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...
I'm not really sure why they chose that location either, putting aside the abundant jokes and snarky reasons people come up with, I guess Shepard's line about 'neutral ground' hits the mark well enough.

The neutral ground hypothesis is well-known, but...does Shepard really have such a line? I never noticed....can't be....If yes, how do you get it?

The planning aspect I understood completely though, this is pure Miranda.

OK....I have to admit she likes to be in control....

I have paragon romanced Miranda, it was ok, but not great. It felt like Shepard was giving Miranda 'permission' (and room) to be herself with him. I can see Jacob being the same way with her, and that didn't end well. I should try the renegade approach, and see if Shepard can persuade Miranda to be more impulsive.

That would apply more to the previous romance scenes. There, in fact, I prefer mostly the Renegade versions. Did you get the kiss?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juin 2010 - 01:31 .

[jtav]

I must be the only one who prefers the Paragon line.

[Crunchyinmilk]

You need to use renegade responses in her room to make her drop her guard and take the kiss. Its not given

Miranda's responses to a paragon romance seem to be very apprehensive, like she's been down that road before and fears what will happen. It gives the love scene a rather orchestrated and defensive bent.

I kind of hope her reactions to the renegade romance will differ, that she'll be convinced to enjoy herself now, and worry less about the future. It would cast the romance scene in a differently light for me, then. Like she's making an effort to mix things up, its still very Miranda (organised), but she's making an effort to try something new...

When Miranda first exits the elevator prior to the love scene and whispers about clearing the engine room, Shepard does indeed say something like 'I should have known you'd pick neutral ground'. This was after a paragon romance. I don't know if she says different lines if you've been more 'renegade' towards her, not played that far, looking forward to it.

[Ieldra]

Crunchyinmilk wrote...
When Miranda first exits the elevator prior to the love scene and whispers about clearing the engine room, Shepard does indeed say something like 'I should have known you'd pick neutral ground'. This was after a paragon romance. I don't know if she says different lines if you've been more 'renegade' towards her, not played that far, looking forward to it.

You misremember. What he says is "Should've known you wouldn't settle for the captain's quarters."

BTW, you can check her responses in the Renegade versions of the scenes in gutty47's online Miranda dialogue tree. And of course I know how to get the kiss....I only wanted to know if you find the kiss - a Renegade scene - better than the Paragon version. The love scene and little piece of dialogue in the CIC does not change depending on your response in the previous dialogue scenes.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juin 2010 - 02:25 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
So, I just saw the FFTL trailer for the first time. I don't think they could be more misleading. Trailer!Miranda really is high-handed and arrogant. I still almost like her because I don't suffer incompetence either, but she does come off as cold and unfeeling, not to mention a thorn in the side of Paragons. In game, she comes off as more pragmatic than anything. She's also far less confident that she'll succeed or survive.

No wonder people hated her.

I would probably still like her. I don't tend to play total Renegades, but I like that she's a thorn in the side of Paragons. I so like to twist their tails myself. 

Do you have a link to the FFTL trailer?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juin 2010 - 02:30 .

[jtav]

Miranda's FFTL vid

[Prudii Aden]

I was curious about Miranda initially, if only to see what the 'Perfect Woman' was like as well as how well Yvonne did. I had the distinct impression that a gauntlet was being thrown down when I saw the trailer, at which point I was sold. The lass has spirit, which is why any of the others don't have a look in.

[jtav]

I came in completely cold, so she was only "the woman who shot the incredibly obvious traitor so I'm not forced to act like an idiot for the next ten hours." I spent the rest of the game waiting for her to betray me instead.

[Prudii Aden]

Yeah, I was half expecting a betrayl myself. The resignation came as a bit of a surprise.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Miranda's FFTL vid

I know that one....what wasn't to like in it? You said "No wonder people hated" her. This video would have piqued my interest had I known it before I played the game.

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

I must be the only one who prefers the Paragon line.

No, I prefer the Paragon one. I played the kiss scene one time, but I reloaded the game immediately. I don't like it at all.
It's like the "Love ?" line, I never chose it.

[jtav]

I don't mind "Love?" because I can RP it as him desperately trying to make her feel better. He isn't serious.

Ieldra, taken on its own, she comes off as the sort of person who must get her way, no argument or exceptions. Without knowing what Niket did and the way the scene is cut, she looks insubordinate. I would have pegged her as a Morrigan type, who loathes compassionate acts on principle, not as someone who is merely willing to do what she has to for the greater good.

[Caihn]

jtav wrote...

I don't mind "Love?" because I can RP it as him desperately trying to make her feel better. He isn't serious.
 

I know, but to me this scene is a strong emotional scene, there is no place for this joke in dubious taste.

[Ieldra]

Nearing the end in my replay of my main maleShep. Does anyone know how far you must be in the other romances for a romance conflict to trigger? I don't want any kind of conflict, but I'd like to speak to the others as much as I can. Delayed the romance until after getting the Reaper IFF.



@jtav:

I wouldn't have tagged her as a Morrigan type from the video. What I got from it is that she's competent and confident, also somewhat arrogant, and has her doubts about Shepard and his crew. Not cold as much as professionally cool, nothing personal in her voice. That's about it.

[SgtPotato]

lol, Mrianda's outfist for XBOX live avatar.



http://avatar.xboxli...ba4454108ce/300