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[Caihn]

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I kinda like this one..looks more casual ...

Yes, no Cerberus logo 

I hope we'll be able to play post suicide mission DLC with Miranda without her cerberus uniform.

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
Hey, what the best way to get a loyal Tali killed without endangering the rest of the crew? What I'm planing on doing is to romance Kelly, renegade sleep with Jack and romance Miranda after the collector base. With my new Shepard,I'm planning on making. Which, was inspired by jtav and Death Stalker one and two.

The most efficient and least stupid way to get loyal Tali killed is to select her as the tech specialist and use an inappropriate or unloyal fire team leader.

@Yankee, Pacifien:
IIRC Miranda is always present at the Collector base final scene, where you make the decision to destroy or keep the base. i.e. it's possible that she always says something about the base unless you choose the middle option (then she says nothing).

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I kinda like this one..looks more casual ...

Yes, no Cerberus logo 

I hope we'll be able to play post suicide mission DLC with Miranda without her cerberus uniform.

I want a Cerberus logo for those games where I kept the base and an outfit without one for those games where she resigns (yes, in spite of my opinion about the decision, I have those games) .

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 juillet 2010 - 08:38 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I kinda like this one..looks more casual ...

Yes, no Cerberus logo 

I hope we'll be able to play post suicide mission DLC with Miranda without her cerberus uniform.

I want a Cerberus logo for those games where I kept the base and an outfit without one for those games where she resigns (yes, in spite of my opinion about the decision, I have those games) .

Yes but we'll have only 1 alternate outfit, so it must be one without a logo. We already have two uniforms with logo.

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Yankee, Pacifien:
IIRC Miranda is always present at the Collector base final scene, where you make the decision to destroy or keep the base. i.e. it's possible that she always says something about the base unless you choose the middle option (then she says nothing).

To me she's the only one who respond to TIM if you choose "the base is an abomination", regardless of your other squadmate. But I haven't tested all squadmates, only Legion, Garrus, Samara, Kasumi and Jacob.

Modifié par Yannkee, 04 juillet 2010 - 08:53 .

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Da Shadow Master wrote...

I kinda like this one..looks more casual ...

Yes, no Cerberus logo 

I hope we'll be able to play post suicide mission DLC with Miranda without her cerberus uniform.

I want a Cerberus logo for those games where I kept the base and an outfit without one for those games where she resigns (yes, in spite of my opinion about the decision, I have those games) .

Yes but we'll have only 1 alternate outfit, so it must be one without a logo. We already have two uniforms with logo.

Actually, I'd prefer one without logo anyway - it's somehow silly how she runs around as an operative of this supposedly super-secret organization wearing their logo all the time.

About Miranda at the base: have you tested whether she says anything if you don't have her in your squad? I've only done the final battle without her once, and I don't recall how it went.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 juillet 2010 - 09:08 .

[Caihn]

No I never tested.
Miranda by my side every time, everywhere.  

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I actually meant the LIs for a maleShep. It's true I think Miranda is the most interesting overall, but that's not prevented me from playing femSheps - were it not for Miranda, I'd prefer them. Apart from that, I don't play this game only for its virtual romances.

I can still play my FemSheps and I can even play MaleShep and romance someone else. If the thing with Samara actually counted, that would be my favorite option for a MaleShep. Miranda wins more or less by default when it comes to the official options. The one thing I won't do is romance someone in ME and them romance her. She always gets a single Shep.

[jtav]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Hey, what the best way to get a loyal Tali killed without endangering the rest of the crew? What I'm planing on doing is to romance Kelly, renegade sleep with Jack and romance Miranda after the collector base. With my new Shepard,I'm planning on making. Which, was inspired by jtav and Death Stalker one and two.

What did I do?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I can still play my FemSheps and I can even play MaleShep and romance someone else.

I'll try that one more time. Now that I've played Miranda's missions several times and her romance three times, I might be able to play a maleShep who stays with Ashley and doesn't romance anyone in ME2.

If the thing with Samara actually counted, that would be my favorite option for a MaleShep.

This is another one I wouldn't romance in the stricter sense. I really like Samara and she would a great friend, even a soulmate, for one of my Shepards, but the relationship would have to stay platonic.

Miranda wins more or less by default when it comes to the official options. The one thing I won't do is romance someone in ME and them romance her. She always gets a single Shep.

Why? Because you fear what the conflict will be in ME3? I tend to do the same, but I have one maleShep with Ashley in ME1 and Miranda in ME2. Just because I want to see how it goes. If it goes badly, I can always discontinue that Shepard.

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

If the thing with Samara actually counted, that would be my favorite option for a MaleShep.

This is another one I wouldn't romance in the stricter sense. I really like Samara and she would a great friend, even a soulmate, for one of my Shepards, but the relationship would have to stay platonic.

Oh, I wouldn't want the relationship to be consummated, but I wish what was there was considered a legit option.

Miranda wins more or less by default when it comes to the official options. The one thing I won't do is romance someone in ME and them romance her. She always gets a single Shep.

Why? Because you fear what the conflict will be in ME3? I tend to do the same, but I have one maleShep with Ashley in ME1 and Miranda in ME2. Just because I want to see how it goes. If it goes badly, I can always discontinue that Shepard.

Pretty much. Ashley doesn't appeal as a romance option, but Liara does and I don't want to see those two fighting over Shep. Kaidan and Thane are going to be my "cheating" guinea pigs.

[Pacifien]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
@Yankee, Pacifien:
IIRC Miranda is always present at the Collector base final scene, where you make the decision to destroy or keep the base. i.e. it's possible that she always says something about the base unless you choose the middle option (then she says nothing).

To me she's the only one who respond to TIM if you choose "the base is an abomination", regardless of your other squadmate. But I haven't tested all squadmates, only Legion, Garrus, Samara, Kasumi and Jacob.

If you're interested to see the results I and some other people have been getting, I did document it all here. But when I did a final assessment of everything in the suicide mission guide, I specifically said all the data demonstrated a pattern and wasn't a guaranteed result. It's to help those who want to get a very specific outcome with the suicide mission.

[jtav]

Something I don't think we've ever discussed: what prompted Miranda to tell Niket about Oriana after over fifteen years of keeping it a secret from him?

[Ieldra]

I'm always amazed at the variety of expressions on Miranda's face. I don't think there's another game with such expressiveness on characters' faces - and among the ME2 characters, Miranda stands out. This is from the first romance scene:

[Homebound]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm always amazed at the variety of expressions on Miranda's face. I don't think there's another game with such expressiveness on characters' faces - and among the ME2 characters, Miranda stands out. This is from the first romance scene:

For some reason all her facial expressions to me look "b*tchy".

[Prudii Aden]

As another example of facial expressions:

[TheKillerAngel]

Pacifien wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Hear Miranda disagree with keeping the base:
1) Bring along a squadmate who agrees with keeping the base (Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Zaeed)
2) Tell the Illusive Man the base is an abomination

Miranda will disagree with keeping the base regardless of your other squadmate - I think it's something she says by default.

Edit: I just tested talking to all the squad members if you keep the base. None of them agree with the decision.

This is all in relation to what the squadmates say during the suicide mission. When the Illusive Man begins his communication with you as you're getting ready to destroy the base, he tells you there's another option. You then have three choices. You can tell him outright the base is an abomination, ask what that option is, or ask him what he'd do with the base.

If you tell the Illusive Man the base is abomination, then Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Mordin, or Zaeed is going to speak up with a reason why you should keep the base.

If you ask the Illusive Man what he plans to do with the base, then Jack, Jacob, Kasumi, Miranda, Samara/Morinth, Tali, or Thane will then speak up with a reason why you need to destroy the base.

It's similar to how in ME1, when Joker asks you if the Alliance Fleet should come in to save the Destiny Ascension, one of your squadmates is going to advocate saving them while the other advocates sacrificing them. Then you'd get a situation where if you had Liara and Garrus with you, Liara would say to save the Council while Garrus says not to. But then have Garrus and Wrex with you, Garrus will say to save the Council while Wrex says not to. Only in ME2, squadmates stick to one decision or the other.

When you get back to the Normandy, all squadmates will then voice some reservation if you had kept the base, regardless if they were advocating for you to keep it earlier.

Ah - that makes a lot more sense. Now you've piqued my curiosity and I'd like to find out what they say.

[DPSSOC]

jtav wrote...

Something I don't think we've ever discussed: what prompted Miranda to tell Niket about Oriana after over fifteen years of keeping it a secret from him?

Guilt perhaps?  Keeping a secret like that from your only real friend can eat away at you.

Or perhaps with the impending suicide mission Miranda wanted to make sure there was someone looking out for Oriana in the event she didn't make it and Niket was the only one she trusted to replace her as Oriana's guardian angel.

[TheKillerAngel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

awpdevil wrote...
I dunno if it necessarily has anything to do with the choice in location, but if you have other interests at the time you start flirting around with her, she says something like " I want to make sure everyone on this ship knows your mine." Take that anyway you want. I'm not even sure what I myself, think of that comment.

It's more like "Everyone needs to know you're mine". It's her way of saying she won't share Shepard. I find that expression jarring myself, since she seems a rather private person in all other scenes and this doesn't fit, but since I never hear it myself it's easy to ignore. I think whoever wrote this wanted to have her say something "different" from the standard expressions and this was the result. 

Interesting - I think she says different things depending on how you approach her romance. In my current playthough, I accused her of being jealous and then kissed her, but I have a more developed relationship with Jack. So when I go to Miranda to talk about starting something, she spits some serious fire:

[jtav]

double post

Modifié par jtav, 05 juillet 2010 - 01:11 .

[jtav]

I don't mind her abrasiveness. I'm not much of a people person, nor do I have much patience for incompetence. Those are about the only things we have in common, so I won't criticize them.

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

Hey, what the best way to get a loyal Tali killed without endangering the rest of the crew? What I'm planing on doing is to romance Kelly, renegade sleep with Jack and romance Miranda after the collector base. With my new Shepard,I'm planning on making. Which, was inspired by jtav and Death Stalker one and two.

What did I do?

This may come as a surprise,but I actually do read your post. Now,I know we disagree on pretty much everything, but you actually inadvertently came up with the blueprint for the ultimate Shepard. It was when you were writing your BSDM Miranda romance with I think Liara or Thane? All aliens look a like to me. You said something about how Shepard comes off as nothing more then doing the whole save the day person. So. I decided to use that simplistic concept and make the greatest characters off all time,so thank you jtav. :happy::lol:

[jtav]

The BDSM thing was Shepard, actually. And feel free to fold, spindle or mutilate anything I say. I can come up with ideas, but I can't do anything with them. I have a few sentences of a Miranda/Liara story, a page and a half of Miranda/Shepard, and half of a first chapter for the Miranda/Thane. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is? I wish I could remember how to focus.

[texanhusker]

You talking about the variety of expressions on Miranda's face is maybe based on the actress they used. Man, have you seen Chuck?

[TheSixthghoul]

jtav wrote...

The BDSM thing was Shepard, actually. And feel free to fold, spindle or mutilate anything I say. I can come up with ideas, but I can't do anything with them. I have a few sentences of a Miranda/Liara story, a page and a half of Miranda/Shepard, and half of a first chapter for the Miranda/Thane. Do you have any idea how frustrating that is? I wish I could remember how to focus.

Yes,jtav i know how it is, I do write Fan Fiction stories.Like I said before its easy for me to write Shepard or characters like Joker or Jack because there characters are simple and I can build on them in a logical sense and stay true to them.  Miranda is not an easy character,because her's an uncertain character.A lot of character is debatable as or was never given enough detail or explored at all. Like how do we know Miranda isn't a racist,don't forget racism is different than discrimination, which we can tell she doesn't discriminate,well she doe to AI. Too many factor, if only more details were given.