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[TheKillerAngel]

Sixth Goul wrote...

Just saw the video.One problem, shouldn't she say "I won't share you" instead of "I won't be shared"?

Good point. Is that a total screw up on the writers' part or can that be salvaged in some way to reflect its intended meaning?

[TheSixthghoul]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...

Just saw the video.One problem, shouldn't she say "I won't share you" instead of "I won't be shared"?

Good point. Is that a total screw up on the writers' part or can that be salvaged in some way to reflect its intended meaning?

I don't think it could be salvaged,I can only see it getting worse for those who like Tali and Jack.
Consider this, only way that would work if Miranda had esp(mind reading powers). Even that leads down the same road.

It means Tali and Jack are bisexuals.
There okay with a three way.
They are in encouraging Shepard to get Miranda in a three way.
There relationship with Shepard is an open one.
There relationship isn't serious.

So, if you romance them thats what it is, don't see a positive:mellow:. For Miranda ,serious relationship.

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 06 juillet 2010 - 04:32 .

[Caihn]

This scene will never happen with my sheps because she's the only one, but I like the idea of Miranda being possessive.

[Nightwriter]

I... I am in shock.

How do you even get this line in the game? People have pursued other romances before.

All they get is something like, "You need to end it with the other person." Not, "Everyone needs to know you're mine."

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

I... I am in shock.

How do you even get this line in the game? People have pursued other romances before.

All they get is something like, "You need to end it with the other person." Not, "Everyone needs to know you're mine."

The prerequisites are listed on the video description.

[TheKillerAngel]

In my video description, I state:



This is what Miranda will say if the following conditions are met:



1. During the first conversation that initiates a relationship with her, you choose the "Paragon" dialogue options, e.g. "You're hard to compliment."



2. You are already in an established relationship with either Jack or Tali.



For this specific video, I was already with Tali.



PC version of Mass Effect 2.

[Nightwriter]

Ah, PC. That explains a bit then.

The "I won't be shared" line is a bit weird.

Perhaps she's just trying to say she, eh... doesn't do parties. I don't know.

[Collider]

I'm surprised she actually says "Everyone needs to know you're mine." I thought that was just a myth.

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...
Ah, PC. That explains a bit then.

No, it doesn't. I don't think the PC and xbox versions have different conversations.

I haven't tested it yet fully, but from the context it's clear that Miranda says "Everone needs to know...." when her first conversation after the loyalty mission debrief (conversation 3 in gutty47's dialogue tree) would go into romance territory and you have another relationship already established (i.e. past everything before the suicide mission), while the other statement is from Miranda's second romance conversation (conversation 4).

I have to say that this "Everyone needs to know...." sounds weird to my ears. I think we can all agree that Miranda's being a bit possessive in a relationship is no surprise, but she always came across as someone who wouldn't want others to know what she does and feels unless she trusts them. As far as I'm concerned, it's good it never appears in my games.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 juillet 2010 - 07:32 .

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...


I have to say that this "Everyone needs to know...." sounds weird to my ears. I think we can all agree that Miranda's being a bit possessive in a relationship is no surprise, but she always came across as someone who wouldn't want others to know what she does and feels unless she trusts them. As far as I'm concerned, it's good it never appears in my games.

Everyone needs to know she's with Shepard, it doesn't mean that everyone needs to know her feelings.
It doesn't sound weird to me, it's just like her to say something like that.
It's like "no one touch my man". 

[Nightwriter]

Yannkee wrote...

It's like "no one touch my man". 

I always liked to think Miranda was above comments like this...

Guess I was wrong.

[Nightwriter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Ah, PC. That explains a bit then.

No, it doesn't. I don't think the PC and xbox versions have different conversations.

I haven't tested it yet fully, but from the context it's clear that Miranda says "Everone needs to know...." when her first conversation after the loyalty mission debrief (conversation 3 in gutty47's dialogue tree) would go into romance territory and you have another relationship already established (i.e. past everything before the suicide mission), while the other statement is from Miranda's second romance conversation (conversation 4).

I'm kind of struggling with this, let me try to get this straight.

So the line in question is triggered if you initiate romantic dialogue (while romancing someone else) during the Miranda conversation where she touches Shepard's chest?

And the other statement happens if you initiate romantic dialogue (while romancing someone else) during the Miranda conversation that leads to the kiss scene? 

[Ieldra]

Nightwriter wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Ah, PC. That explains a bit then.

No, it doesn't. I don't think the PC and xbox versions have different conversations.

I haven't tested it yet fully, but from the context it's clear that Miranda says "Everone needs to know...." when her first conversation after the loyalty mission debrief (conversation 3 in gutty47's dialogue tree) would go into romance territory and you have another relationship already established (i.e. past everything before the suicide mission), while the other statement is from Miranda's second romance conversation (conversation 4).

I'm kind of struggling with this, let me try to get this straight.

So the line in question is triggered if you initiate romantic dialogue (while romancing someone else) during the Miranda conversation where she touches Shepard's chest?

And the other statement happens if you initiate romantic dialogue (while romancing someone else) during the Miranda conversation that leads to the kiss scene? 

No. Here's the conversations lineup. Refer to gutty47's Miranda dialogue tree for details:

(DB) Loyalty mission debrief ends with Miranda touching Shepard on the chest if Shepard is male.
(C3) First romance conversation (=conversation 3) ends with [Kiss her] or Shepard's "I'm admiring it now".
(C4) Second romance conversation (=conversation 4) ends with "Promise/No Promise"

The line "Everyone needs to know..." is triggered in C3 when selecting either "You're hard to compliment" or "You're jealous" if you have another romance active (i.e. all conversations before the suicide mission done). Before it would make no sense because only at this time the conversation goes into romance territory.

The other line is triggered in C4 right at the start, when you say "Do you have a minute to talk?" and another romance is active. This conversation is completely about the romance so it makes sense to put it at the start.

And BTW:
I agree with you - I also think Miranda would be above such things, and the writer didn't really understand what he was writing. Fortunately I can ignore it, since I never trigger it in my games.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 juillet 2010 - 09:21 .

[Nightwriter]

I don't get why the lines are different depending on when you initiate the romance pre-entangled with another LI.

It's almost like, if you begin the romance with her while already fully involved with someone else, she needs everyone to know you're hers and not the other person's (who was first).

But if you start a relationship with Miranda, and then start a relationship with someone else, you get totally different dialogue and apparently the same sentiment isn't as important to her.

Ieldra2 wrote...

And BTW:
I agree with you - I also think Miranda would be above such
things, and the writer didn't really understand what he was writing.
Fortunately I can ignore it, since I never trigger it in my games.

I don't know... I fear the writers put far less attention and meaning into Miranda's character than we'd like to think they do, and this is all just us projecting about what we'd like our image of Miranda to be, regardless of whether that's what she actually is.

[Caihn]

If there is something I don't like about a character, I accept it as a part of the character, I don't ignore it because I want to see only the best in this character.

In that case I like what she says so I don't have problems to accept it.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 juillet 2010 - 09:55 .

[Nightwriter]

It's just that this seems to confirm the territorial accusations that give birth to such theories as "Miranda banged Shepard in the engine room to rub it in Tali's face".

[Caihn]

Nightwriter wrote...

It's just that this seems to confirm the territorial accusations that give birth to such theories as "Miranda banged Shepard in the engine room to rub it in Tali's face".

 ridiculous 
I won't talk about the engine room scene again, this topic have already been discuss too many times.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Under normal circumstances she wouldn´t say such a line, I agree.

But remember why she has to remind Shepard about it. She probably didn´t expect such a situation to arise in the first place and to make it as clear as possible to him, she says the aforementioned line.



So in the end, Shepards behaviour is the fault here and the reason she has to sound possessive. Don´t hate Miranda, hate Shepard.

[Prudii Aden]

Nightwriter wrote...
It's just that this seems to confirm the territorial accusations that give birth to such theories as "Miranda banged Shepard in the engine room to rub it in Tali's face".

However, you only get those lines if you're actually romancing Tali (or Jack) and Miranda at the same time. However, if you're doing that, it does kinda make sense. Some women can be awfully possessive.

Edit: Errol says it better.

Modifié par Prudii Aden, 06 juillet 2010 - 10:40 .

[Caihn]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Under normal circumstances she wouldn´t say such a line, I agree.
But remember why she has to remind Shepard about it. She probably didn´t expect such a situation to arise in the first place and to make it as clear as possible to him, she says the aforementioned line.

So in the end, Shepards behaviour is the fault here and the reason she has to sound possessive. Don´t hate Miranda, hate Shepard.

this

My sheps don't do stupid things like that 

[Nightwriter]

Then why does she say something completely different when you're messing around with Jack or Tali in another instance? There are people who have pursued two at once and gotten different dialogue from Miranda.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...
If there is something I don't like about a character, I accept it as a part of the character, I don't ignore it because I want to see only the best in this character.

In that case I like what she says so I don't have problems to accept it.

We all experience slightly different Mirandas, depending on our choices in the game. I accept everything I actually get to see in at least one of my six games. And it isn't so much about dislike but that it clashes with another aspect of her character.

[Caihn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there is something I don't like about a character, I accept it as a part of the character, I don't ignore it because I want to see only the best in this character.

In that case I like what she says so I don't have problems to accept it.

We all experience slightly different Mirandas, depending on our choices in the game. I accept everything I actually get to see in at least one of my six games. And it isn't so much about dislike but that it clashes with another aspect of her character.

I don't see one aspect of her character (wich is shown in the game) that clashes with her being possessive.

[Ieldra]

Yannkee wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
If there is something I don't like about a character, I accept it as a part of the character, I don't ignore it because I want to see only the best in this character.

In that case I like what she says so I don't have problems to accept it.

We all experience slightly different Mirandas, depending on our choices in the game. I accept everything I actually get to see in at least one of my six games. And it isn't so much about dislike but that it clashes with another aspect of her character.

I don't see one aspect of her character (wich is shown in the game) that clashes with her being possessive.

No, not with her being possessive. But with a statement that looks as if she'd parade her relationship with Shepard around.

It's the difference between "I need to know you're mine", and "Everyone needs to know you're mine".

Modifié par Ieldra2, 06 juillet 2010 - 11:08 .

[Nightwriter]

I think there are certain aspects that would clash with her being possessive.

Like, for instance, her "it's not a competition" comments.

Or her strict professionalism (which felt like it fed into her "it's not a competition" comments).

Miranda seems like she wants to be very professional. She's all business. To the extent she almost didn't want to have a relationship even. Now all the sudden she wants everyone to know she's in one?

Weird.