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[TheSixthghoul]

Ha, that does sound like that! Hm... that would be a good question. Huh. What do you think your version of the perfect woman Miranda prefers her sex compared to your pre-Mass Effect 2 character(pretend you didn't know of Miranda before hand)? And keep it PG-13! We do have minors who roam the sites.

I will say, Miranda and my Shepard are not  fans of Missionary. My Shepard prefers role playing as the hero in "distress" ,woo!

Modifié par Sixth Goul, 08 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .

[jtav]

*looks around* Are the pitchfork-wielding mobs gone? After the jealousy dialogue discussion and hearing "Oh, I'm definitely interested" once too often, the romance has lost its charm forr me. I still like Miranda, but I don't like how she and Shep come off in the romance.

As for Miranda's preferences in the bedroom, I can see her enjoying some bondage and light D/s play. Possibly other things as well. As for the "perfect woman" thing, she doesn't exist to fulfill my sexual fantasies. The above is what I can see fitting her character.

Modifié par jtav, 08 juillet 2010 - 11:40 .

[Collider]

Just kidding. Carry on.

[Ieldra]

[quote]Sixth Goul wrote...
Not to sound egotistical, but does anyone else feel this thread is in a downward spiral because of my idea?[/quote]
It does get slow, but that's because some regulars don't appear as often anymore, not from any particular post or topic discussed.[/quote]

[quote]Anyways here's a question,what is your favorite move combination with Miranda(plus one more)?
For me Lift, Push then Slam [/quote]
There's nothing better than a nice Warp Explosion (either with Adept Shepard or Jacob).

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
*looks around* Are the pitchfork-wielding mobs gone? After the jealousy dialogue discussion and hearing "Oh, I'm definitely interested" once too often, the romance has lost its charm forr me. I still like Miranda, but I don't like how she and Shep come off in the romance.

I can easily forget the jealousy dialogue since in my regular playthroughs I never get it, but I admit the way Shepard says "I'm definitely interested" sounds creepy, and it doesn't help I still can't get the screenshot of that ultra-Renegade scarred Shepard saying that out of my mind. Doesn't ruin the whole romance for me, though.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juillet 2010 - 12:20 .

[jtav]

It's not just those things. Those are just what made me snap. The engine room scene also plays a role, specifically the fact that Tali was the only person she actually had to clear out. There's just no way I can see to make that look good, considering how obvious Tali's crush is.



So, yes, romance is well and truly ruined. I'll miss "You give your father too much credit" and the promise exchange.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
It's not just those things. Those are just what made me snap. The engine room scene also plays a role, specifically the fact that Tali was the only person she actually had to clear out. There's just no way I can see to make that look good, considering how obvious Tali's crush is.

I think you interpret too much into that. I think whoever wrote that scene and the dialogue never considered how it would appear to Tali. Apart from that, is it obvious? If you don't speak with her after her loyalty mission debrief? I can also see Miranda being a bit thoughtless about it, which isn't exactly nice either, but it does fit her character IMO and it's better than other interpretations.

BTW: I sometimes get the impression you don't *want* to like the romance.
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juillet 2010 - 12:55 .

[Melra]

Even if it was meant the interpret that way, it wouldn't be too bad, at least she would stop and let it go.

[jtav]

Maybe I'm projecting a bit. I've been in Tali's shoes as a teenager, and it hurt like hell (As it happened, I ended up becoming really good friends with my crush's girlfriend and that relationship far outlasted our interest in the boy). As for the crush, I picked up some vibes on Haestrom and Kelly. mentions it. I doubt my interpretation was intended but the author is dead, after all.



As for whether I want to like the romance, I'm not sure how to answer. All I can say is that I more or less lost it the other day while I was trying to get the jealousy dialogue to trigger. Le me watch the hug a few dozen times and see how I feel.

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

It's not just those things. Those are just what made me snap. The engine room scene also plays a role, specifically the fact that Tali was the only person she actually had to clear out. There's just no way I can see to make that look good, considering how obvious Tali's crush is.

So, yes, romance is well and truly ruined. I'll miss "You give your father too much credit" and the promise exchange.

rubbish - tali is not confined to the engine room. just because miranda made sure it was clear, doesn't mean she physically ordered everyone out.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
As for the crush, I picked up some vibes on Haestrom and Kelly. mentions it. I doubt my interpretation was intended but the author is dead, after all.

The author is dead? What are you talking about?

As for whether I want to like the romance, I'm not sure how to answer. All I can say is that I more or less lost it the other day while I was trying to get the jealousy dialogue to trigger. Le me watch the hug a few dozen times and see how I feel.

Yeah, a certain romance conflict statement (don't want to trigger another discussion, so let's leave it at that) can really ruin your day. Let's hope watching the hug gets the romance back up from "ruined" status for you.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juillet 2010 - 02:27 .

[Pacifien]

I hadn't really thought about it before, but I was thinking about Miranda's upbringing under the harsh scrutiny of her father who demanded perfection. Then I thought about how, even though she has the strongest dislike for Cerberus, Tali's own upbringing pretty much matches Miranda. I don't know if I'm going anywhere with this, it was just something I never thought about until now.

Other than that, I was wondering if any Miranda fans shared her taste for classical music.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
I hadn't really thought about it before, but I was thinking about Miranda's upbringing under the harsh scrutiny of her father who demanded perfection. Then I thought about how, even though she has the strongest dislike for Cerberus, Tali's own upbringing pretty much matches Miranda. I don't know if I'm going anywhere with this, it was just something I never thought about until now.

I don't think there's much similarity. MIranda's father was present and controlling, Tali's father was absent, but he did love his daughter.

Other than that, I was wondering if any Miranda fans shared her taste for classical music.

I share her taste for classical music, but not her taste in it. My favorites are from the 19th century and earlier. Wagner, Verdi, Bach, Loewe - yeah, not exactly a matching set, but I'm eclectic.

[TheSixthghoul]

Where did this classical music come from?

[Pacifien]

Sixth Goul wrote...
Where did this classical music come from?

If you let Miranda talk to her sister and then ask her about it later, she mentions they share the same love for a certain classical piece.

[jtav]

I don't love classical the way I love musical theatre, but I do occasionally listen. The Nielsen piece she mentions is stunning.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...

Sixth Goul wrote...
Where did this classical music come from?

If you let Miranda talk to her sister and then ask her about it later, she mentions they share the same love for a certain classical piece.

This one..

[Ieldra]

There's no Miranda picture on this page. I'll remedy that...

[jtav]

It's a great one, though I don't know enough about music to talk about it intelligently.



And I'm sorry for my outburst earlier. Sometimes I think I'm too comfortable on here for my own good.

[Nightwriter]

jtav wrote...

It's not just those things. Those are just what made me snap. The engine room scene also plays a role, specifically the fact that Tali was the only person she actually had to clear out. There's just no way I can see to make that look good, considering how obvious Tali's crush is.

So, yes, romance is well and truly ruined. I'll miss "You give your father too much credit" and the promise exchange.

I honestly don't get the impression that everyone's in their proper stations at that point in the game anyway. The whole crew's been abducted and everything's kind of up in the air. Is Tali even in engineering? Who knows.

It annoys me. There is apparently no way you can make it so that Tali doesn't have a crush on you, which means Shepard (and Miranda) must be jerks in some form or other if you do the Mirandamance at all. 

Then it's all, "How cruel you are, stepping on Tali's feelings like that!" Give it a rest, people. Tali is not that weak. I think people are more upset by it than she would be. /rant

[jtav]

*holds up hands* Sorry, night. I can't help it!

[Auzden]

i wonder if ur romance with miranda will be different in me3 like if u took a paragon or renagade path in me2 cuz if u go paragon she resigns from gayberus. perhaps that means she is there just for u then

[jtav]

Well, I bid you all a good evening. I have a fic to write. Hopefully nobody will be calling for my head.

[V0luS_R0cKs7aR]

Nightwriter wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's not just those things. Those are just what made me snap. The engine room scene also plays a role, specifically the fact that Tali was the only person she actually had to clear out. There's just no way I can see to make that look good, considering how obvious Tali's crush is.

So, yes, romance is well and truly ruined. I'll miss "You give your father too much credit" and the promise exchange.

I honestly don't get the impression that everyone's in their proper stations at that point in the game anyway. The whole crew's been abducted and everything's kind of up in the air. Is Tali even in engineering? Who knows.

It annoys me. There is apparently no way you can make it so that Tali doesn't have a crush on you, which means Shepard (and Miranda) must be jerks in some form or other if you do the Mirandamance at all. 

Then it's all, "How cruel you are, stepping on Tali's feelings like that!" Give it a rest, people. Tali is not that weak. I think people are more upset by it than she would be. /rant

I personally think it's completely unreasonable to expect that Tali ACTUALLY is in Engineering all the time, or that Garrus is always with the guns, or Jacob always in the Armory, etc. The only reason they are in the game was because it would be impossible for Bioware to model the dynamics of the entire SR-2 crew, where people would be moving, eating, sleeping...in general, doing stuff and moving about.

And I'm glad. How annoying would it be to have to chase each team member around the Normandy to unlock their loyalty mission?

[Collider]

I found a lot of parallels between Miranda's father and Tali's father. They were both rather controlling of their daughters. In some way, I think that they felt like their daughter was a trophy or something to be presented to other people. Tali was put through the most rigorous military and engineering training in the Quarian Fleet. Considering he is an important Admiral, Rael probably thought he could do no less than that.

Both fathers never really show they cared. Rael did care, but he never indicated so until it was too late. They were never shown love by their fathers - Miranda's father because he cared more about his empire - and Rael because he cared more about politics.

Therefore, both women had to rely on others as "family." Cerberus became Miranda's family. The Fleet was Tali's family. When you have such a large amount of obligations as Cerberus or the Fleet would entail, that is going to affect you. That is a heavy burden on you. What resulted is that Miranda and Tali both had lives dedicated to other people. They almost never do things for themselves. It's always the projects, it's always the fleet, it's always the suicide mission. Their romances are really about them doing something for themselves for once, to treat themselves. To show them that they are not tools, but real people. That it is not selfish to want to be happy.

I even saw parallels in their loyalty missions. Miranda and Tali both had people who they thought they could trust. Miranda had Nikhet. Tali had the Fleet/Rael. In their loyalty missions, they first go through denial. They couldn't have done this. They couldn't have betrayed me. It would be counter to everything they had known. But no. They were both used for someone's elses' motives. Nikhet wanted the money that Miranda's father had to offer.

The Admiralty Board used Tali, someone who was supposed to be a well respected member of the Fleet, for their own political agendas.

So both Miranda and Tali were tossed under the bus by people who were supposed to be trustworthy - really - among the only people they thought they could trust.

At the end of their loyalty missions, they are willing to forsake their own happiness, again - for other people. Miranda is willing to never get the chance to speak to her sister, so that her sister is safe. Tali is willing to be exiled and her reputation destroyed so that the horrible nature of the experiments is never let out, so the safety of the Fleet and her father's image is not compromised.

I'm surprised many people do not pick up on these similarities. Miranda and Tali are similar in many regards. They are workaholics who have dedicated their lives to other people. They are both strong women who are geniuses among their races. And their fathers shaped who they are.

I will also add that the factions that Tali and Miranda are affiliated with are pretty much demonized by the galaxy. Cerberus is known as a terrorist organization. The Quarians are stigmatized as thieves, beggars, and scum. Yet they were tireless defenders of their affiliations - and both were strong enough to tell their faction to go to hell when they feel betrayed.

Modifié par Collider, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:54 .