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[Sand King]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

We wish for Cerberus to be disbanded upon completion of termination of the Reaper threat.
We realize organics will not see the logic behind this outcome.

I could always sell you to Cerberus

[Pacifien]

jtav wrote...
Just for future reference how hard is it to have a non-loyal Miranda survive holding the line?

Since I just spent a ridiculous amount of time working on suicide mission scenarios, I can tell you that Miranda is the most resilient non-loyal member you can have.

You can't pick her to run through the vents, so she's not going to die in the first part. You can't choose her to escort the crew back, so she's not going to die doing that. If she's in your squad when the biotic specialist fails in holding the shield long enough, it will always be the other person in the squad who gets taken by seeker swarms. Unlike Garrus and Jacob, she is the only leader for the distraction team who can do it while non-loyal and live.

The only time you can successfully kill a non-loyal Miranda is if you take her to the final battle with you. And if you choose to destroy the Collector Base, you get to see Miranda finally stick it to the Illusive Man only for it to be a pyrrhic victory in the end.

She can also die while holding the line. Non-loyal squadmates die before the loyal ones, and they die in a specific order. Miranda is somewhere in the middle of that order.

[Sand King]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Sand King wrote...

I am still confused why you have a Legion avatar

We are currently experiencing a lack of activity.

Have you tried talking the third person. Sand King thinks it is quite entertaining

[Pacifien]

kraidy1117 wrote...
ya I am too scared to go into the Jack thread because while I do like Jack I am a hard core Miri fan.

Aw, but the worse you're probably going to see in the Jack thread is just various scenarios in which Jack sabotages Miranda's dinner. Well, there are some other scenarios people will create between the two of them that you might find worse than a ruined dinner if you're not keen on repressed sexual tension.

Noooo, I'm not trying to ruin the sexuality of your love interest with my baseless claims of some lesbian experience between the two. That stuff doesn't even fly with most of the regular posters in the Jack thread, because they are boring and lack imagination and ruin all of my fun.

[cbutz]

Seeing as how Bioware has you jumping through hoops to kill her off, she'll definitely be in the game. I can't see her being relegated to a cameo role (well maybe I can, it is fully within BW's power) such as finding her in some office like Liara or some distant battlefield like ash/kaiden, or head of her own clan like Wrex.

Besides where would she go if she was loyal to your Shep and he/she blew up the base? Cerberus is gunning for you. The only place I can see her being is in the Normandy. Perhaps she wouldn't be a squad mate but be an npc on the Normandy. Besides if Cerb. is gonna be gunning for her (if she left cerberus) so the best place to be is next to the guy whose enemies always seem to find ways of dying.

[Pacifien]

kraidy1117 wrote...
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I agree, I want her to be invloed with Cerberus, I really want her and TIm to argue face to face, because we all know TIM is going to be a big character in ME3. He is too big of a major character too be thorwen aside in ME3. Also I think alot of people want to kill him and let Miri take over Cerberus, reform it and become TIW

If Miranda wants to take Cerberus's resources and repurpose it into a force of good (or just run it better than the Illusive Man), then I don't see a problem with that. But if she wants to run it under the name of Cerberus, she's just asking for all of Cerberus's baggage to carry over under her regime.

Better for her to ditch the name if she's going to take over.

[kraidy1117]

Pacifien wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
ya I am too scared to go into the Jack thread because while I do like Jack I am a hard core Miri fan.

Aw, but the worse you're probably going to see in the Jack thread is just various scenarios in which Jack sabotages Miranda's dinner. Well, there are some other scenarios people will create between the two of them that you might find worse than a ruined dinner if you're not keen on repressed sexual tension.

Noooo, I'm not trying to ruin the sexuality of your love interest with my baseless claims of some lesbian experience between the two. That stuff doesn't even fly with most of the regular posters in the Jack thread, because they are boring and lack imagination and ruin all of my fun.

You mean this?

[kraidy1117]

Pacifien wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
*snip*
I agree, I want her to be invloed with Cerberus, I really want her and TIm to argue face to face, because we all know TIM is going to be a big character in ME3. He is too big of a major character too be thorwen aside in ME3. Also I think alot of people want to kill him and let Miri take over Cerberus, reform it and become TIW

If Miranda wants to take Cerberus's resources and repurpose it into a force of good (or just run it better than the Illusive Man), then I don't see a problem with that. But if she wants to run it under the name of Cerberus, she's just asking for all of Cerberus's baggage to carry over under her regime.

Better for her to ditch the name if she's going to take over.

That's why I said reform it. I eman everything. Redo the name, how the coomand structure is and even put it back with the Alliance but keep the same logo, protect humans at any cost. However I think Mirti would be a good leader because she for one would not be happy for children being tortured, this is made clear if you bring her to Pragia, she is horrified on what down there.

[Pacifien]

I'd like to see them explore Miranda's ability as a leader a bit more. From Wilson's logs and her first conversations with you, she does give the classic ice queen demeanor. While this could make her very efficient, the best leaders not only make you efficient, but make you want to be efficient. It's not demanding loyalty, it's inspiring loyalty. Is Miranda capable of inspiring loyalty?

When I read other posters' thoughts on Miranda being the XO, I think some of them forget that the Normandy is not just Shepard's squad. You have all the Cerberus crewmen as well, ones who are on the ship because they have a vested interest in the seeing the attacks on the colonies. And if you listen in on their conversations, they talk about their faith in not just Shepard, but in Miranda to get it done. So while Shepard's ragtag team of misfits might not think much of Miranda, it would appear that the regular crew do have some respect for her.

So I guess what I'm wondering about in regards to Miranda is if she has that quality to instill trust in other people so that they give her the sort of leeway to conduct her business in much the manner they do with the Illusive Man. Or with Shepard.

[Niceral]

Miranda is one of the only likeable characters.

[Ieldra]

kraidy1117 wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I will try, no promisses. I think I might have to talk not talk to Miri at all in ME2 which will hurt but I am determin to have a loyal save for ME3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to put yourself through something you don't want to do, if you prefer Miranda go with her.

I do want to stay loyal to Ash but I just find it too hard because I like Miri alot more but I also feel bad for hurting Ash. I swear the Normandy has become High School now.

I have given up on such a playthrough. It's quite impossible. Which, unfortunately and ironically, means that Ashley is the only ME1 LI I haven't a "loyal" playthrough for, although of the three ME1 LIs, I like her best.

@drunken pyromaniac:
As for making a single Shepard. that's not so hard. Miranda only is easy. It's Ashley only that's hard.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 juin 2010 - 06:57 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

I have to say I'm grateful that I can have multiple Sheps. Though I think I'm the only one here who writes Miranda with some other than Shepard. It's rewarding, really. Feel like I have more freedom.

I'm also doing it. Slow going, though.

[kraidy1117]

Pacifien wrote...

I'd like to see them explore Miranda's ability as a leader a bit more. From Wilson's logs and her first conversations with you, she does give the classic ice queen demeanor. While this could make her very efficient, the best leaders not only make you efficient, but make you want to be efficient. It's not demanding loyalty, it's inspiring loyalty. Is Miranda capable of inspiring loyalty?
When I read other posters' thoughts on Miranda being the XO, I think some of them forget that the Normandy is not just Shepard's squad. You have all the Cerberus crewmen as well, ones who are on the ship because they have a vested interest in the seeing the attacks on the colonies. And if you listen in on their conversations, they talk about their faith in not just Shepard, but in Miranda to get it done. So while Shepard's ragtag team of misfits might not think much of Miranda, it would appear that the regular crew do have some respect for her.
So I guess what I'm wondering about in regards to Miranda is if she has that quality to instill trust in other people so that they give her the sort of leeway to conduct her business in much the manner they do with the Illusive Man. Or with Shepard.

Well remember, in some of us game we let Miri be the leaders and now they trust Miri alot more because she proved she could be trusted and her telling TIM off plyas a big factor in it.

[Collider]

I think ME2 did better in terms of the player deciding whether to enter the romance. I got stuck into Ashley's romance. I don't mind Ashley but my Shepard isn't into her in that way (and I was going to remain single in ME1 anyway). I think ME2 is better here because it's clearer. It's not perfect. But I appreciate being better able to say "no" or "yes." I think ME1 was way too sensitive.

--

I'd rather Cerberus dissolve completely.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
But I am rather curious what people think Miranda's type is. I suppose her type would be what type your Shepard is, but then what type of Shepard did you create? Think she'd be drawn to forceful personalities who possess consistency and long-range thinking. I suspect she would be looking for someone who had the kind of presence and mind that the Illusive Man showed, actually.

I agree, and that's exactly what I sometimes experience something like a cognitive dissonance in the romance. Shepard: forceful: check; consistent: depends; long-range-thinking: what? I have a hard time reconciling Shepard's action-hero template with someone Miranda would love. I try to play him less stereotypically, but the game makes that hard.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

I think ME2 did better in terms of the player deciding whether to enter the romance. I got stuck into Ashley's romance. I don't mind Ashley but my Shepard isn't into her in that way (and I was going to remain single in ME1 anyway). I think ME2 is better here because it's clearer. It's not perfect. But I appreciate being better able to say "no" or "yes." I think ME1 was way too sensitive.
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I'd rather Cerberus dissolve completely.

Jack and Tali suffer from this sadly

[Collider]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think ME2 did better in terms of the player deciding whether to enter the romance. I got stuck into Ashley's romance. I don't mind Ashley but my Shepard isn't into her in that way (and I was going to remain single in ME1 anyway). I think ME2 is better here because it's clearer. It's not perfect. But I appreciate being better able to say "no" or "yes." I think ME1 was way too sensitive.
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I'd rather Cerberus dissolve completely.

Jack and Tali suffer from this sadly

No they don't. The options are clear - the bottom is "no," the top is "yes." With Ashley there is no equivalent.

Modifié par Collider, 12 juin 2010 - 07:09 .

[Ieldra]

Sixth Goul wrote...
I must ask, am I the only who thinks that Miranda could benefit more from not being a main plot point in Mass Effect 3?

I don't know if you're the only one, but I certainly do not agree. Characters without a role in the main plot usually get less attention and character development. If you think otherwise, explain.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think ME2 did better in terms of the player deciding whether to enter the romance. I got stuck into Ashley's romance. I don't mind Ashley but my Shepard isn't into her in that way (and I was going to remain single in ME1 anyway). I think ME2 is better here because it's clearer. It's not perfect. But I appreciate being better able to say "no" or "yes." I think ME1 was way too sensitive.
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I'd rather Cerberus dissolve completely.

Jack and Tali suffer from this sadly

No they don't. The options are clear - the bottom is "no."

and it makes you sound like a d*ck, and I do't like being told to f*ck off -.-

[Collider]

Although Miranda is one of the more likely to survive the suicide mission, I don't believe they are going to make her a main plot point. Simply because she can die. I think she's going to be heavily involved in the Cerberus subplot, but I think that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara will be the "main plot points" because they cannot die.

[Pacifien]

I let Miranda be the leader on some of my suicide runs, too, but I'm more on showing me rather than telling me. The whole purpose of Shepard doing all those loyalty missions is so none of the squadmates would have distractions and come to trust Shepard's lead. But really, all we were really doing was just removing their distractions, 'cause seems they'll follow anyone deemed a proper leader.

Had a similar issue with Jacob being one of the choices for leader as well. Just because he was trained in the Alliance military doesn't mean he has the skills to command a squad. I liked how Miranda's comments implied this was Jacob's chance to prove himself, but it didn't have much lead up. I mean, for all of his complaining that the red tape prevents him from getting stuff done, he never comments that the red tape was also preventing him from leading a team the way he know he can.

I could have bought Miranda being a leader if there was ever any crew interaction that they can act as a team even when Shepard isn't there to babysit. But crew interaction is lacking all around, so I suppose I can't be picky about it.

I tend to think Miranda's skills of persuasion and leadership are better off the battlefield and used in the realm of politics instead.

[Ieldra]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
LOl I will be very very mad. I had to deal with that sh*t happing to Ash, I don't think I could handel it happing to Miri

We believe all characters will get a return in the closing chapter of the trilogy.

Not enough. I don't want another set of new characters in ME3. This is my main wish for ME3, apart from it generally being a good game: no new squadmates. Develop the old ones more instead.  

[Collider]

Kraidy, did you choose "Is there a problem?" after you told Jack no? I think that may have something to do with it. I was testing Jack's conversations and she seems to respond better to "Agreed. No romance."