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[Nightwriter]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...


It fluctuates.

I blame people.

THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

'They'?  There's more than one?

None of those people are Liara, though!

Liara told me she wants Miri

Aha! Proof.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nightwriter wrote...


No, it did not start with jtav's fanfic.

I read some of jtav's Liara/Miranda fanfic and I quite liked it. It's very well written.

Then someone suggested, in an unrelated thread, that they hope Shepards are punished by Miranda and Liara getting together.

jtav was simply happy that a pairing she had thought odd and unwelcome was getting attention, even if it was negative attention.

Oh, all right. I was just curious.

[jlb524]

I like jtav's fanfic and find the Miranda/Liara pairing interesting. I think there's some potential with that story, especially given the nature of how the melding works coupled with Miranda's standoffish personality.

[Nightwriter]

I like jtav's fanfic, and I thought the pairing was interesting, too, at first.

[Collider]

Nightwriter wrote...

I like jtav's fanfic, and I thought the pairing was interesting, too, at first.

You no longer do?

[jtav]

I'm also pleased that Miranda and Liara fans are talking to each other. I feel less pressure to take sides now. I'm also glad that I'm not being treated like I've grown a third arm for shipping them. Not sure why people are so receptive to this pairing or why Liara fans have been much more receptive.

[Collider]

I assume that Miranda and Liara as a couple may be liked by some Liara fans because Miranda and Liara interact in a positive manner in the comic.

[Nightwriter]

Collider wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I like jtav's fanfic, and I thought the pairing was interesting, too, at first.

You no longer do?

Well obviously with the way people have been using the pairing around me I no longer care for it, lol.

And what on earth is Joker doing to Miranda in that pic?

[jtav]

And I'm profoundly sorry for that, Night.

[Nightwriter]

Looks like you've got lots of other fans, jtav. You don't need little old me. Cheer up!

Da Shadow Master wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...


And what on earth is Joker doing to Miranda in that pic?

I'm wondering that myself.I was cruising Deviantart and came across this.

It reminds me of what Kenneth says about Miranda's outfit in that one convo...

Modifié par Nightwriter, 11 juillet 2010 - 10:04 .

[Pacifien]

I don't see why Miranda and Liara can't be together. My Shepard didn't romance them, at least.

[jtav]

Neither do I. My Shep is busy with Kaidan or Thane, thanks. The funny thing is Liara used to be my go-to person if I needed a past relationship for Shep back when I was trying to write Shep/Miranda. Fortunately/unfortunately, I suck at writing it. I just thought it was the only thing people wanted to read.

[Pwnisher]

Interesting pic, but not as interesting as jtav's fanfic.

[Ieldra]

Good morning, everyone. What's happened - five new pages in 12 hours? An invasion, LOL?

Noticed some interesting things, but I'm sorry to say I'm dizzy from the heat and completely unable to think, so I can't answer today. You'll have to be content with a Miranda picture.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Good morning, everyone. What's happened - five new pages in 12 hours? An invasion, LOL?

Noticed some interesting things, but I'm sorry to say I'm dizzy from the heat and completely unable to think, so I can't answer today. You'll have to be content with a Miranda picture.

I heard it's been very hot in Europe lately, it is that bad?

It's my avie pic!!! dem eyes

Modifié par kraidy1117, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:17 .

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...


When does she start? Almost immediately after acquiring the SR2, it seems. The first regular conversation on the Normandy is about normal in tone. And this is much too fast. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks she changes her attitude towards Shepard too fast.

Yes, much too fast. It's almost as if the writers are afraid of dealing with the implications that Shepard was dead. They should have had him captured or stranded somewhere for two years and then rescued by Cerberus. If I were writing this and asked to keep the Lazarus Project angle, I would have made it a bigger part of the story and have Shep go through a bit of an existential crisis. I would have also jettisoned Miranda as a romance option and made the relationship quasi-parental instead. Something like Frankenstein and the Creature, only positive. The reborn Shepard is Miranda's legacy, the mark she'll leave on the Galaxy.

And aren't you glad I don't write for Bioware?

Definitely. I wouldn't like having an existential crisis forced on me. My Shepards (most of them, anyway) would consider many possibilities - both pleasant and unpleasant - coming from this great technological achievement, and they'll certainly think a lot about it and ask a lot of questions, but they'd be able to deal with the existential part rather easily.
Also: no Miranda romance, that I wouldn't like at all. Among other things, the romance makes it bearable that I can't play as Miranda.

BTW, if the writers were afraid to deal with the implications of Shepard's death, it's probably because they'd have to let characters talk about it on one side, while leaving things open enough for the player's identification with Shepard.

Pacifien wrote...

It would be nice to have the squadmates ask Shepard about his life. I know the writers keep such dialogue to a minimum because everyone is going to play and view their Shepard differently. But think of the first conversation you have with Ashley or Kaidan in ME1 where they ask Shepard specifically about, say, being a war hero. Actually, they do that in ME2 when Jacob asks you what your feelings were for some particular event. Simply give your Shepard multiple choices of how to answer.
Actually, then even have Samara reflect on Shepard's nature if he's mostly renegade. So they developers can certainly have characters adjust their attitude to Shepard depending on how you've been playing him, and they could adjust their comments accordingly.
It's a crime how limited the conversation is with Garrus, but I think Garrus does get the most mission comments of any other squadmate. I like his "there's no pep talk like a military pep talk" during Mordin's loyalty mission.
Was totally going to turn this to Miranda.... oh right, did I ever ask this thread about what idle comments or actions Miranda could take if you stood around her office long enough? Like if you hover behind Joker, he starts making random comments from how the ship is running to porn. If you stand around long enough by Garrus in ME1, you'd see him actually lean down and work on the Mako.
I can imagine Miranda saying she really hates it when someone is hovering over her shoulder when she's trying to write her reports.

BW seems to have backed off developing shepard much, perhaps given the complexity of having so much freedom in background in the first game and tying it all together for the sequels. i did expect much more of the game in this area, but it's dismissed very quickly. shame because it ties in nicely with some of the squaddie development (Legion, Mordin particularly struggle with their purpose).

as for miranda's development:

Crunchyinmilk wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I guess I'm not the only one who thinks she changes her attitude towards Shepard too fast. 

Shepard wakes up early and the attack puts an end to all the testing she had planned.  Instead she's faced with a walking, talking, shooting Shepard and worse, her boss goes around her well laid plans and throws them straight into the field.  This easily explains her attitude prior to freedom's progress, but also her rapid shift in attitude not long after.  She's having to catch up, fast.

In the scene where Shepard takes control of the SR2 she still seems reluctant (maybe a little resigned) to give Shepard free reign and if you press her about her duties on the ship and Cerberus, she still has that competitive air.

There's a lot of effort spent to make you see parallels between Miranda's life with her father and her own work on the Lazarus project.  Should string out treating Shepard like her project, constantly testing him just like she was?  She 'kidnapped' her own sister to prevent the same thing happening to her...

Even if she still had lingering resentment and fears early on, she's not stupid enough to retain the snarky attitude she had prior to freedom's progress.   Shepard has command of the SR2 and TIM has already proven how ready he is to put Shepard to work.   She's bright enough to instead try and put Shepard at ease.

Its not until what, the 4th or 5th conversation that she has the little sit down by her bed and decides to tell Shepard she really does trust them now?  It just reinforced for me the impression that the early olive branches and polite dialog had a 'therapist' taste to them.

that pretty much sums it up perfectly. also: it's a game. some allowances have to be made for pace and balance of the story.

[JeanLuc761]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I heard it's been very hot in Europe lately, it is that bad?

It's my avie pic!!! dem eyes

On the subject of dem eyez (sorta), finally "perfected" the skin shader and got her eyes looking nice.  It was a good day.

[Collider]

That looks very nice JL.

[JeanLuc761]

Collider wrote...

That looks very nice JL.

Collider

[kraidy1117]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I heard it's been very hot in Europe lately, it is that bad?

It's my avie pic!!! dem eyes

On the subject of dem eyez (sorta), finally "perfected" the skin shader and got her eyes looking nice.  It was a good day.

:O:wub:<3 *is speachless*

[TimberOwls]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Good morning, everyone. What's happened - five new pages in 12 hours? An invasion, LOL?

Noticed some interesting things, but I'm sorry to say I'm dizzy from the heat and completely unable to think, so I can't answer today. You'll have to be content with a Miranda picture.

I heard it's been very hot in Europe lately, it is that bad?

It's my avie pic!!! dem eyes

Yes, it's been ridiculously hot in the UK (But we always
complain about the weather anyways). And that is indeed a very  lovely
picture. May have to steal it.....

[Jebel Krong]

meh it's better hot than the cold/rain/drizzlewhatever that we usually get.... apart from the threat of "water shortages" again, after 2 weeks of sun, this country sucks 9and it's just a ploy to hike the rates again, anyway).





http://the-other-mik...ass effect&qo=5

[Ieldra]

TimberOwls wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Good morning, everyone. What's happened - five new pages in 12 hours? An invasion, LOL?

Noticed some interesting things, but I'm sorry to say I'm dizzy from the heat and completely unable to think, so I can't answer today. You'll have to be content with a Miranda picture.

I heard it's been very hot in Europe lately, it is that bad?

It's my avie pic!!! dem eyes

Yes, it's been ridiculously hot in the UK (But we always
complain about the weather anyways). And that is indeed a very  lovely
picture. May have to steal it.....

No problem, it's only a screenshot. If you want to make it yourself, it's from the elevator scene (the one that ends with the wink).

As for the heat, I very much doubt temperatures went as high as 35 C in the UK...