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[Ieldra]

Sand King wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I agree, I want her to be invloed with Cerberus, I really want her and TIm to argue face to face, because we all know TIM is going to be a big character in ME3. He is too big of a major character too be thorwen aside in ME3. Also I think alot of people want to kill him and let Miri take over Cerberus, reform it and become TIW

I think that is just you kraidy

No, it's not. I want that, too, and I've heard jtav saying something to the same effect. Please note we do not want Cerberus to remain as it is. It should become more like the salarian STG.

[Collider]

If Miranda reformed Cerberus so it became unrecognizable, that'd be great. Cerberus needs to take a departure from the heinous experiments. I know that those experiments are supposedly part of the "rogue cells." If so, then they need to start monitoring their cells a lot more.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
Although Miranda is one of the more likely to survive the suicide mission, I don't believe they are going to make her a main plot point. Simply because she can die. I think she's going to be heavily involved in the Cerberus subplot, but I think that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara will be the "main plot points" because they cannot die.

I don't really buy into this whole idea that Ashley/Kaidan and Liara are guaranteed considerable roles in ME3 simply because they can't die. I think simply the developers didn't want to continue a romance plot with all the other things they wanted to implement in ME2. They went so far as to kill Shepard just to help you approach the game with a clean slate.

Miranda could very well have a main role in ME3 in spite of the possibility of her dying. It'd be like Wrex/Wreav. If Miranda did die, she'd be replaced with Understudy Miranda, a character who might have a slightly altered personality than Miranda, but fills the same role. It's just if Miranda had lived through ME2 and could play the role herself, you get the added weight of character history and the chance to evolve it further.

It all depends really on where the developers want to go with the whole thing.

[kraidy1117]

Pacifien wrote...

I let Miranda be the leader on some of my suicide runs, too, but I'm more on showing me rather than telling me. The whole purpose of Shepard doing all those loyalty missions is so none of the squadmates would have distractions and come to trust Shepard's lead. But really, all we were really doing was just removing their distractions, 'cause seems they'll follow anyone deemed a proper leader.
Had a similar issue with Jacob being one of the choices for leader as well. Just because he was trained in the Alliance military doesn't mean he has the skills to command a squad. I liked how Miranda's comments implied this was Jacob's chance to prove himself, but it didn't have much lead up. I mean, for all of his complaining that the red tape prevents him from getting stuff done, he never comments that the red tape was also preventing him from leading a team the way he know he can.
I could have bought Miranda being a leader if there was ever any crew interaction that they can act as a team even when Shepard isn't there to babysit. But crew interaction is lacking all around, so I suppose I can't be picky about it.
I tend to think Miranda's skills of persuasion and leadership are better off the battlefield and used in the realm of politics instead.

I agree, Miri while is a good leader leads diffrently then say Shepard and Garrus who inspire. Miri does it through fear. She even says Shepard has that fire she does not have (this is one of my fav conversations with her) Garrus is morel ike Shepard because like Shepard Garrus has that fire. He was able to get a team of 12 people (am I only one who sees a little connection) of people to fight criminals and such on Omega. However Garrus trust to easly, sometyhing miri does not and while this could be seen as a flaw it's motr off a pro. We still don't know if Wilson truly did betray. I am hoiping this gets explored because I think it would be a intresting conversation with miri if you found out Wilson never did betray and it was all a set-up.

[kraidy1117]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Sand King wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I agree, I want her to be invloed with Cerberus, I really want her and TIm to argue face to face, because we all know TIM is going to be a big character in ME3. He is too big of a major character too be thorwen aside in ME3. Also I think alot of people want to kill him and let Miri take over Cerberus, reform it and become TIW

I think that is just you kraidy

No, it's not. I want that, too, and I've heard jtav saying something to the same effect. Please note we do not want Cerberus to remain as it is. It should become more like the salarian STG.

Yup, that's how I feel too.Even Miri says it's similar to the STGs, Cerberus is just a little bit more extream and that's because of TIM. We are shown in ME2 that not everyone in Cerberus are evil bad people. They do what must be done to protect humans, but there is a limit to that.

[Collider]

What constitutes as main is really subjective. But "main" to me would mean something central and perhaps integral to the plot. Miranda is very important to the Cerberus plot, but I can't see any ME2 squad mates + Wrex having such a large part when they could potentially be dead.

I saw the sidelining of Ashley/Kaidan and Liara as pretty clearly something of convenience. It's very convenient for the writers to have certain squad mates guaranteed to be alive. And even more conveniently, a small number. This means they don't need to worry about those two characters being alive or not in x player's playthrough, they will always be.

Modifié par Collider, 12 juin 2010 - 07:25 .

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as main is really subjective. But "main" to me would mean something central and perhaps integral to the plot. Miranda is very important to the Cerberus plot, but I can't see any ME2 squad mates + Wrex having such a large part when they could potentially be dead.

I saw the sidelining of Ashley/Kaidan and Liara as pretty clearly something of convenience. It's very convenient for the writers to have certain squad mates guaranteed to be alive. And even more conveniently, a small number. This means they don't need to worry about those two characters being alive or not in x player's playthrough, they will always be.

<_<

[Collider]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as main is really subjective. But "main" to me would mean something central and perhaps integral to the plot. Miranda is very important to the Cerberus plot, but I can't see any ME2 squad mates + Wrex having such a large part when they could potentially be dead.

I saw the sidelining of Ashley/Kaidan and Liara as pretty clearly something of convenience. It's very convenient for the writers to have certain squad mates guaranteed to be alive. And even more conveniently, a small number. This means they don't need to worry about those two characters being alive or not in x player's playthrough, they will always be.

<_<

I'm not saying it was right Kraidy. I'm saying that it seems the writers thought it would be convenient for them, and make it easier.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

What constitutes as main is really subjective. But "main" to me would mean something central and perhaps integral to the plot. Miranda is very important to the Cerberus plot, but I can't see any ME2 squad mates + Wrex having such a large part when they could potentially be dead.

I saw the sidelining of Ashley/Kaidan and Liara as pretty clearly something of convenience. It's very convenient for the writers to have certain squad mates guaranteed to be alive. And even more conveniently, a small number. This means they don't need to worry about those two characters being alive or not in x player's playthrough, they will always be.

<_<

I'm not saying it was right Kraidy. I'm saying that it seems the writers thought it would be convenient for them, and make it easier.

I would't have minded if Bioware would have put there heart into, the point that Conrad, Rana, Gina(sp) and Shila got better cameos then the three LI is just plain insulting.

[Collider]

I agree Kraidy. They should have given them better cameos. It's too late now though - unless they decide to release DLC. Either way though, I expect those three LIs to return in ME3 fully fledged.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

I agree Kraidy. They should have given them better cameos. It's too late now though - unless they decide to release DLC. Either way though, I expect those three LIs to return in ME3 fully fledged.

I just want some Liara and Ash DLC, us ME LI fans deserve it.

[Collider]

So I've been testing out Jack's conversations. One thing I appreciate about Tali & Miranda's romance is that there is good lead-in.



For Miranda for example she's giving you those compliments and if you remember that playful nudge after you help her sister, etc.



I think Jack's romance is unique, but there's not enough bonding before it starts. It feels a little too one-sided. Just my opinion though.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
I'd like to see them explore Miranda's ability as a leader a bit more. From Wilson's logs and her first conversations with you, she does give the classic ice queen demeanor. While this could make her very efficient, the best leaders not only make you efficient, but make you want to be efficient. It's not demanding loyalty, it's inspiring loyalty. Is Miranda capable of inspiring loyalty?

Only to a point. Inspiring loyalty means connection to your team on a more than professional level. She herself makes a point of telling Shepard that she hasn't "that fire that makes someone willing to follow you into hell itself." So I think she is an efficient leader, but not so much an inspiring one. She inspires trust in a positive outcome because everyone knows she is super-competent, not by force of personality like Shepard. Though competence in your superior can be inspiring in its own right.
 

When I read other posters' thoughts on Miranda being the XO, I think some of them forget that the Normandy is not just Shepard's squad. You have all the Cerberus crewmen as well, ones who are on the ship because they have a vested interest in the seeing the attacks on the colonies. And if you listen in on their conversations, they talk about their faith in not just Shepard, but in Miranda to get it done. So while Shepard's ragtag team of misfits might not think much of Miranda, it would appear that the regular crew do have some respect for her.
So I guess what I'm wondering about in regards to Miranda is if she has that quality to instill trust in other people so that they give her the sort of leeway to conduct her business in much the manner they do with the Illusive Man. Or with Shepard.

Not in the same way, no. You won't hear any hold-the-line speeches from her. She's more like Mordin: "Let's get the job done and go home." But hearing her voice in my mind, I do think there is some room for character development here. She'll always be more detached, but maybe she can find her own style of being an inspiring leader. Not of a military squad, though. She's more suited for TIM's job.

[Collider]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree Kraidy. They should have given them better cameos. It's too late now though - unless they decide to release DLC. Either way though, I expect those three LIs to return in ME3 fully fledged.

I just want some Liara and Ash DLC, us ME LI fans deserve it.

Kaidan: ;_;

j/k. There was a shot of Ashley in one of the videos advertising DLC or something IIRC. Perhaps they really will have ME1 LI DLC. Liara seems to be the best shot since she has hidden files in the game that seem to point towards DLC.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I agree Kraidy. They should have given them better cameos. It's too late now though - unless they decide to release DLC. Either way though, I expect those three LIs to return in ME3 fully fledged.

I just want some Liara and Ash DLC, us ME LI fans deserve it.

Kaidan: ;_;

j/k. There was a shot of Ashley in one of the videos advertising DLC or something IIRC. Perhaps they really will have ME1 LI DLC. Liara seems to be the best shot since she has hidden files in the game that seem to point towards DLC.

LOL sorry, I always forget about Kaidan I just care for Ash and liara alot, I am spending too much time with the liara fans LOL.

[Collider]

Being XO and head of the Lazarus Project, I could see something of leadership within Miranda. Now Jacob, that came completely out of left field. When I went through the suicide mission for the first time I thought that Jacob would get killed or get someone killed since we're given little to no indication that he's had leadership roles (and did them well) before.

[Ieldra]

Pacifien wrote...
Miranda could very well have a main role in ME3 in spite of the possibility of her dying. It'd be like Wrex/Wreav. If Miranda did die, she'd be replaced with Understudy Miranda, a character who might have a slightly altered personality than Miranda, but fills the same role. It's just if Miranda had lived through ME2 and could play the role herself, you get the added weight of character history and the chance to evolve it further.

It all depends really on where the developers want to go with the whole thing.

That's what I think, too. If someone important has died, his/her role will be taken over by a replacement character, maybe with considerable less content.

(Uh...I gather you recall Biff the Understudy... )

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Being XO and head of the Lazarus Project, I could see something of leadership within Miranda. Now Jacob, that came completely out of left field. When I went through the suicide mission for the first time I thought that Jacob would get killed or get someone killed since we're given little to no indication that he's had leadership roles (and did them well) before.

I bleeive that that because miri is ah igh ranking opertive (you just don't meet TIM face to face for fun) most likely she has led alot of operations and judging by that she is stil alive, that would be they where succesful. She is a good leader, she just leads diffrently and is better for scientific operations.

[VampireCommando]

I come back from work and its nice to see this new thread progressing nicely.



@ Ieldra, when you said you want cerberus to become more like the salarian STG, i think that would be great, a real human black ops organization, that said however i still don't know if i could bring myself to like them after all of their past as cerberus, I'd give it a shot but i think there past would taint the new organization to heavily for my personal liking. Not that it wouldn't be badass, just well, it was cerberus, and i hate cerberus.

[Collider]

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

I don't think Miri would ok toruring kids. STG does do some disturibing things too.

[VampireCommando]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

I don't think Miri would ok toruring kids. STG does do some disturibing things too.

I know, but i think the STG is okay, but i think no matter what Miri did to cerberus to reform it i would still see it as a slightly un ethical organization, but knowing Miri was running it might be enough to make it bearable for me.

[kraidy1117]

VampireCommando wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

I don't think Miri would ok toruring kids. STG does do some disturibing things too.

I know, but i think the STG is okay, but i think no matter what Miri did to cerberus to reform it i would still see it as a slightly un ethical organization, but knowing Miri was running it might be enough to make it bearable for me.

Remember Vamp, it was tIM that made Cerberus what it is now, it was him who did the split and made Cerberus what it is now.

[Collider]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

I don't think Miri would ok toruring kids. STG does do some disturibing things too.

I don't either, but I still want to see Cerberus go down in flames.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I feel the same vampire. Even though the name isn't terribly important, it's still symbolic...if Cerberus is reformed, the group should be renamed. I have little doubt that Miranda would run Cerberus more ethically, but as a whole though, I'd rather Cerberus disappear completely.

I don't think Miri would ok toruring kids. STG does do some disturibing things too.

I don't either, but I still want to see Cerberus go down in flames.

But it was only one moron who ruined it. Changet he name and reform the group and put it back with the Alliance. Done deal.