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Why Women love Alistair and Men marry Queen Anora


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A light hearted look at love, marriage and some characters we love to hate in Dragon Age.

Let me first say that I will NOT discuss who did what to whom in the game or who is right and wrong. I'm merely looking at the characterization of a few characters in the game. And this is just written as a joke really.

If you sit back in the coffea room in my office or on the bus and listen to women complaining about their husbands, or men complaining about their wives you'll hear all sorts of things. But there are things that is repeated more often than other things.

So what do women dislike most about their husbands, when they are upset with them? I do not make any claim to scientific accuracy here, but here is what I have heard a few times now.

He is childish, irresponsible and doesn't take things seriously. He is never home and if he is, he can't be trusted to do things properly. He prefers to be out playing with the guys instead of being home and at worst he may even flirt too much.

What about men? What do they dislike most aboute their wives when they are really upset with them?

She is bossy. She wants him to do more things at home, but won't let him do it his way. She never wants do anything fun, and at worst she may even be no fun in bed.

This not how men see women and women see men. This is just a collection of things men and women often mention when they are very upset with their spouses.

But think a bit about it. doesn't that describe a certain couple in the game? It is King Cailan and Queen Anora!

Cailan and Anora are really comic book versions of what married couples sometimes jokingly, sometimes in serious, thinks whenever they describe their spouses bad sides!

No woman likes it when guys call their wives the "old ball and chain" or call her "the boss" or whatever. It's a guy thing to think in those terms. And guys don't like it when their wives calls them childish, just because he wants to have a bit of fun, now and then.

Could it be that the reason a lot of people find Cailan and Anora so annoying is that they are really just caricatures of what the other sex thinks is your worst qualities?

Maybe that is why Alistair is so much adored by women. He is the guy they fell in love with and married in real life too. Only, in real life, he is far too often transformed to his brother instead.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 12 juin 2010 - 09:07 .


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LOL Poor Cailan. He gets no love.



But yes, I can see what you mean. I wish we'd gotten some more information about Anora and Cailan's marriage, in particular because I'm planning to marry my Cousland boy to her and I can't for my life imagine her coming to love him in a romantic sense.

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

LOL Poor Cailan. He gets no love.

But yes, I can see what you mean. I wish we'd gotten some more information about Anora and Cailan's marriage, in particular because I'm planning to marry my Cousland boy to her and I can't for my life imagine her coming to love him in a romantic sense.


Xander has three very good Cousland/Anora stories.  You should check them out.  He has inspired me to try to do a HNM playthrough and marry Anora too.

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

LOL Poor Cailan. He gets no love.


Indeed. But women tend to be much more forgiving of poor Cailan than men. Even if they see a Cailan in their husband now and then, they often see the good qualities in him too. And men can be much more forgiving towards Anora, as they too can see an Anora in their wife now and then, even if they see wonderful things about her too.

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Just working through Alistair/Anora/Cailan myself... Yes, they're all pretty iconographic, especially for those of us who've been married a long time. Good thread, Xandur, hope it gets even more interesting.

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I only marry anora for the power.

She herself is simply annoying.

She will backstab you if you do something to make her less powerful.

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I actually like Anora. Out of Anora, Morrigan and Leliana I would take her any day of the week!

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Arrtis wrote...

I only marry anora for the power.
She herself is simply annoying.
She will backstab you if you do something to make her less powerful.


Oh... You're the one I told to get a girlfriend on the Alistair gush thread.  I repeat the advice.:lol:

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sylvanaerie wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

LOL Poor Cailan. He gets no love.

But yes, I can see what you mean. I wish we'd gotten some more information about Anora and Cailan's marriage, in particular because I'm planning to marry my Cousland boy to her and I can't for my life imagine her coming to love him in a romantic sense.


Xander has three very good Cousland/Anora stories.  You should check them out.  He has inspired me to try to do a HNM playthrough and marry Anora too.


What concerns me is that she seems to hold her father's character as standard for potential suitors, to which my Cousland may appear too... soft, perhaps? His number one defining characteristic is his sense of compassion and mercy. If I had been allowed to role-play it this way, he would have spared Loghain and, after some time, sent someone to bring Alistair back to Ferelden. Anora would not be amused and neither would unhardened Alistair when he discovers that his ex-comrade's way of asking forgiveness is to elevate him to the rank of Warden-Commander and send him to Amaranthine (as of yet, I'm not sure if it's too geeky even for me to buy Awakenings solely so I can write a fanfiction about it).

But on the other hand, he is reasonably intelligent and an excellent wordsmith who isn't going to sleep around or steal her power, so I could see her warming up to him.

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I like Anora and for the 2 male HN i have made one has and the other will marry Anora. I think after it is all said and done my wardens can meet muster for Anora to respect and then finally love which is the way i RP it. When Anora meets you at Vigils Keep there are a few dialog choices you can choose i always choose the one where they are happy to see each other and she will welcome his return to court. I have 19 characters 17 of which are females so the Anora thing is usually moot as i feel real bad about it but i usually pawn Allistair off on her.



Alot of the posts concerning Anora are very catty almost but not quite as bad as my posts concerning Morrigan, which is ironic but the way it is. I like Anora's character, always have because Anora is the type of woman that if she and her Cousland man work together the Orlesians had better watch out. She is a shrewd administrator and by the time of Awakenings my warden has proven to be a capiable leader of soldiers. She will keep them fed, he will keep them led the perfect power couple if you RP it that way.



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That is very funny and clever post. I agree from this point of view their (all three of them) characterization is quite accurate.



Maybe that's why I always merry Alistair to Anora... they are meant to be! :)

(I also like them both, they are good written characters. Because besides this stereotype caricature you described they have other traits, unique back story and role in overall situation that makes them interesting functional characters.)

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Just in real life: They are rich, who cares, I can put up with their behaviour. /jk (or maybe not)

I married Anora to get a different ending, and I planned forth RP wise, I still hope to win her heart, though Awakening suggets otherwise. Atleast I got Daddy Loghain to back me up, he turned out to be a friend.

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Minaleth wrote...


Maybe that's why I always merry Alistair to Anora... they are meant to be! :)
(I also like them both, they are good written characters. Because besides this stereotype caricature you described they have other traits, unique back story and role in overall situation that makes them interesting functional characters.)

Alistair and Anora meant to be together???? Only if you want to torture Alistair!!!!

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Always marry Alistair off to Anora :) They can both whinge and moan at each other :)

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I refuse to let Alistair marry anyone but me. So, first time around Anora was on the throne; alone, this time around I SHALL BE QUEEN!



Anyway, yeah, I'd have to agree with you. It's an interesting theory. This is why I'm attracted to Alistair at any rate because as you say he is the complete opposite of those things we complain about. He's sensitive, thoughtful, caring, 100% committed, genuine, humble, witty, a little soft and always, always your 'Knight in shining armor'

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I find neither of them annoying. They both seem like plausible characters, though obviously Anora is far more one-dimensional than Alistair. I think you might be trying to read a bit too deeply into things - I'd say the reason people dislike Alistair is the same reason people dislike Carth and Kaidan (they're whiners), and the reason people dislike Anora is because she's simply less interesting a character and she seems to exist more as a plot device than a person.

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Way way over complicating this OP, it's so simple. Alistair is a Dawsons creek reject and Anora is the crown. Why women like Dawsons creek is something us guys can't understand.



Now that comment wasn't meant to be an insult to the writer however he does remind me of that show.

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searanox wrote...

I find neither of them annoying. They both seem like plausible characters, though obviously Anora is far more one-dimensional than Alistair. I think you might be trying to read a bit too deeply into things - I'd say the reason people dislike Alistair is the same reason people dislike Carth and Kaidan (they're whiners), and the reason people dislike Anora is because she's simply less interesting a character and she seems to exist more as a plot device than a person.


I agree that both characters are plausible, but I would disagree that Anora is less interesting or somehow more one-dimensional than Alistair.   Nevertheless I can see how the more limited opportunities to interact with her could lead to that impression.  She gets far less time on camera than Alistair, so the writers weren't able to develop her to quite the same extent.

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Rulian wrote...

Way way over complicating this OP, it's so simple. Alistair is a Dawsons creek reject and Anora is the crown. Why women like Dawsons creek is something us guys can't understand.

Now that comment wasn't meant to be an insult to the writer however he does remind me of that show.


No insult to women, of course. 

Never seen an ep of Dawson's Creek in my life BTW.  QED. Not?

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Khayness wrote...

Just in real life: They are rich, who cares, I can put up with their behaviour. /jk (or maybe not)
I married Anora to get a different ending, and I planned forth RP wise, I still hope to win her heart, though Awakening suggets otherwise. Atleast I got Daddy Loghain to back me up, he turned out to be a friend.


Alistair's not rich, not by any means, he's an unacknowleged bastard.  Compare his armour at the beginning of the game to Cailan's...

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Alistair's honesty and integrity is why my male elf warden wishes he could romance him :P It was one of the qualities my warden learned to value after having failed his friend Jowan.



Anora may be brilliant, but after stabbing my warden in the back while he was attempting to help her, she will remain locked in that tower forever until in crumbles to the ground in the next Blight.

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As a woman, Alistair is appealing because he is funny and lighthearted but never at the female warden's expense. Example, Go on a date. Girl trips and falls in an awkward manner. Most guys laugh their butts off. The Alistair character might laugh but would help her up and make sure she was okay. Real life, guy is too busy nudging his buddies and pointing out he saw panties when her legs went flying.Image IPBImage IPB

Anora is a curvy and beautiful ice queen. Every guy is sure he is the one who can make her melt. If he didn't have to work for it then she was not worth getting. On the other hand, since it is not a love match he gets to be puppet king and use that as bait for every besotted maid he sees.Image IPB

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Melt the ice queen huh? Glad I'm not one of those types of guys.

Only reason I'd marry Anora is so I could slowly poison her and take the throne for myself. Otherwise, I really don't see a point. Leliana's the closest thing to a female I'd like in real life. Little bit of crazy ain't all bad...

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I hear crazy is great for bedplay. If only it wasn't for that stalker nonsense....

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I'm always surprised there's someone who brings up Anora betraying them when recuing her. She points out clearly no one must know as Howe's forces would kill her and her father's would imprison her if she were seen with the warden. If you're stupid enough to know that then openly oust her in front of her father's number two, you deserve to get 'stabbed in the back'. She even confronts you telling you why she did it even though you were supposed to guide her out of there without revealing her idenity.



That being said, I fought and recued her without giving her away and we seem to be living happily ever after in Awakening...well before the mysterious vanishing of my warden.