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[Cave_Dweller28]

I don't think she's a b-i-t-c-h, a bit callous at times, but she was raised in the wilds and views the world differently. The way she talked about communicating with nature was really moving. I've always been a sucker for fiercely independent girls as well. I have to say I prefer Morrigan any day. She's far more interesting. I agree that she's a bit of a lost cause as far as her humanity goes though.

[Darin2483]

Well, don't blame Bioware for the short-sightedness of an ostensibly scheming female. If she can't think Senator-Palpatine-style, that's her fault. In taking a look at the bigger picture, you can use the Arl to achieve the political power to depose whats-his-coward-face Loghain, kill the Arl in true evil fashion, and usurp power for your own iron-fisted pleasure.

[BonafideSeraphim]

Morrigan's an idiot.



That pretty much sums it up.



"You're HELPING people?! But we wanted allies! Helping them will certainly not further our own ends of gaining these allies! No one helps people they like!"

[soteria]

As others have said, losing a few points with her (or anyone) isn't going to kill you. I've done and said plenty of things party members have disaproved of, but you can still get them to like you.



I saved the village, but I kinda wish I hadn't bothered. At the time it seemed like the easiest way to get to the castle (and it may have been).

[dannythefool]

Morrigan isn't necessarily an idiot, keep in mind that she was raised in a very specific way and isn't even entirely human. I just picture her as a child that has to learn many things, and is sometimes disgruntled when being taught something... and just as a child you can get her morale back up with a gift, she seems particularly easy to impress with jewelry so it's not a problem. It's like "But mommy I don't wanna fight, I want to see the ocean, and the mountains, and Loghain's blood and his heart ripped out..." - "Shh Morrigan, we have to help these kind villagers first and you can have heart for dinner later" - "Aww I hate you Mommy... ooh shiny, I love oyu Mommy" ;-)

[Wissenschaft]

LOL, dannythefool. Thats morrigan in a nutshell, alright.

[mrmoneda]

A strong-willed woman with a sense of purpose and a set of goals. Obviously a "witch with captial B!" You people make my head hurt.



Anyway, it's absolutely possible to save Redcliffe and many other folk without earning ire from Morrigan. I did. You probably chose the dialogue choice closest to, "Sure we'll save your village! Got any windows that need washing while we're here?!"

[BonafideSeraphim]

It just seems to me that they play Morrigan up to be this big manipulater...but she just comes off as idiotic and incapable of any real thought to me.

You can't tell that I'm helping them to gain allies, equipment, and loot?

[dannythefool]

BonafideSeraphim wrote...

You can't tell that I'm helping them to gain allies, equipment, and loot?

She was raised by an ancient abomination and spent her childhood talking to trees! Just how much understanding of human society do you expect from her? 

[Boeresmurf]

morrigan is just a walking agenda...

hmm shall i help the villagers here.. hmm let me think... hmmm.

morrigan: NOOO ur getting late for ur appointment with loghain.

pc: oke.. sorry no time bye bye redcliff

[BonafideSeraphim]

If they're going to build up the "She's extremely manipulative and sneaky" angle...then a good bit.



She's actually very transparent, extremely naive, and completely incompetent when it comes to manipulating people.

[Cave_Dweller28]

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

Being either a b-i-t-c-h or a poor soul having bad childhood are more or less synonyms. However, I fully agree that she's interesting as a character. The same goes for Sten, he's really compelling. One one hand, he's a bit harshly towards hepling the weak as they should fight by themselves but, on the other hand, he appreaciates honour and dislikes cheating or abusing the weak (e.g. Redcliffe: paying for the sword to Kaytlin).

Well I'm not going to argue about the definition of the B word.  She does have a softer side at any rate.  I imagine that she would have been a nice girl if raised differently, you know in a normal home, like not raised by a demon possessed lunatic?  <_<

[FlintlockJazz]

I had sympathy for Morrigan at first, but then she showed herself to be a hypocrite to me and it all went out the window. Sten, I respect totally since he is consistent with his viewpoints even if they are comparatively brutal to our way of thinking sometimes, but Morrigan just ended up whiney to me ("oh boohoo you had a bad childhood, so did most people it seems in this game").

[Cave_Dweller28]

I'm not done the game yet, so there's still time, but she is my favorite so far. She's not the type I would ever want to trust my life with if I became an inconvenience though. Might not live very long 

Modifié par Cave_Dweller28, 11 novembre 2009 - 10:24 .

[Ieldra]

Uh, sorry to post in a thread one month dead. (deleted)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 décembre 2009 - 02:09 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Alistor say it stright in one of is dioluges when you say "you really don't like each other"...."Of course not, Shes a B****"

Made me laugh.

Oh, I love that conversation! Where Alistair is asking your opinions of other party members.

PC: "You two really don't like either other, do you?"
Alistair: "Well, besides the fact that she's a complete and utter B****,. uh, no. I can't say I do like her."


The delivery was priceless on that. It was bordering on being catty, and the way Alistair emphasised the word ****, it was like he deliberately saying it loud enough for her to hear.

But yes, Morrigans disapproval in Redcliffe was irritating to say the least. I'm trying to progress, to obtain the army needed to follow her suggestion of confronting Loghain directly and she disapproves. Go figure. Just leave her out of redcliffe until the village battle, and you'll be fine.

Sten on the other hand, you can actually gain approval if you have decent coersion and cunning. In the conversation with Teagan, when he objects, you get the option of persuiding him that this is the best chance of getting to see the arl, and you get +2 approval from him. And you can gain alot more approval in redcliffe by going around and recruiting/intimidating Dwyn, Berwick, and Lloyd to fight in defense of the village.

But Morrigan? Leave her back in camp to cook your dinner and fetch your beers.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

It's simple really. Morrigan viewed the battle of Redcliffe as unnecessary (which it is) and dangerous. (Not knowing the magnitude of the enemy forces) Risking everything to help a few peasants is not something Morrigan sees as a great investment.

[TearsoftheForest]

Can you bring in other group members just for the choice and bring Morrigan back after to do the quest and not suffer the penalty?

[JosieJ]

TearsoftheForest wrote...

Can you bring in other group members just for the choice and bring Morrigan back after to do the quest and not suffer the penalty?

Yes.  IIRC, you can switch characters at will in Redcliffe.  Even if you can't, as long as you don't go anywhere but camp, you can save the village. 

Modifié par JosieJ, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:49 .

[TearsoftheForest]

Yeah cause I was thinking Morrigan, Sten and Zevran and don't want to loose the points in disapproval. Thanks.

[doubledeviant]

Read:

Morrigan: Chaotic Stupid? Bad Writing?
http://social.biowar...47/index/325541

I started this thread when I was irritated with Morrigan for similar reasons.  There's a lot of material from both sides (Morrigan-is-a-Stupid-B**** vs. Morrigan Fanboys), and a healthy amount of amusing flames.

Edit:  What?  No love for hyperlinks via HTML tags?  This forum sucks!  I'll be damned if I use your link-insertion button!  :-P

Modifié par doubledeviant, 17 décembre 2009 - 05:38 .