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[GithCheater]

You get what you give ...



If you heap abuse on someone ... what kind of response are you expecting?



Yes dear ... yes sir ... you are so right sir?

[Wicked 702]

tmp7704 wrote...

Paromlin wrote...

I have to agree with many of you here; Gaider seems to be communication impaired.

I'd rather say "frank and non-apologetic". Not his problem if people can't take equally well the same treatment they're dishing out.

Honestly, someone blowing a fuse because they got a simple "no" from a dev in answer to a question? Beyond ridiculous.

Is THAT what this is all about? REALLY?????

I had a feeling when I read that answer that someone was going to take offense. This is even more ridiculous then.

People, answers to your questions don't need to be 5 sentences long. Sometimes, they are simply "Yes" or "No" questions. Are you honestly telling me that you got offended because instead of giving you some long essay David just shut you down with a one word answer? If so, please PLEASE get some thicker skin....

[TheMadCat]

Paromlin wrote...

I have to agree with many of you here; Gaider seems to be communication impaired.
From some of his "interventions" on this forum and elsewhere, but especially here, I got the impression you have to treat him like a sensitive baby bum, with a lot of baby powder and silky gloves, lest he proclaims you disrespectful, arrogant, demanding stuff from Bioware at gun's point etc. Of course, he spices it with a lot of abrasiveness or passive-agressiveness and sometimes you can even detect a touch of hysteria.

I don't understand how you see it like that. People make snide remarks to him and he responds back with much of the same. Just because he has a BioWare tag doesn't hold him to any standard, he's not here representing the company or providing customer service, he's not here to accommodate you. He's here for the same reasons we're all here, to talk about Dragon Age.

Seriously some of you folks need to grow some thicker skin here.

[Paromlin]

Wicked 702 wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...


Honestly, someone blowing a fuse because they got a simple "no" from a dev in answer to a question? Beyond ridiculous.

Is THAT what this is all about? REALLY?????

Sure, sure, if it makes you feel better; we're basing our opinion about Gaider on his "No" answer and not on other hundreds of posts where he's going mental over someone "demanding" something, "being disrespectful" about something, someone writing something etc.

PS. Orly, he's not customer support... who would've said it.. really!?

Modifié par Paromlin, 16 juin 2010 - 01:37 .

[Wicked 702]

Actually since there were no other discernable "insults" supposedly hurled by him in this thread, I have to assume that it's that one statement otherwise we're now talking about a couple of immature morons who've decided to hijack someone else's thread just so they can complain about something that could have been better dealt with by personal message.

Or can you point me to some other message in THIS thread that set ya'll off? Doubt it.

Edit: What's with the granny picture anyway? I don't get it.

Modifié par Wicked 702, 16 juin 2010 - 01:49 .

[Paromlin]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Actually since there were no other discernable "insults" supposedly hurled by him in this thread
Edit: What's with the granny picture anyway? I don't get it.

You've been sitting on your eyes while defending your favourite dev, how cute and how expected. So where have I mentioned insults?

Granny is there to represent the silliness of your "points". Actually, you can't hear her, but she's saying "you're being silly, Wicked 702".

Good night.

[Wicked 702]

First off. When did I say I like David? I've never even asked him a question. I don't really care about him one way or the other. But that's great, go ahead and make assumptions that fit your little world so that you can be right. I'm attacking YOU (and the others), the people that actually get offended by what some random writer guy says on a message board, not defending HIM. That wasn't so hard to understand, now was it?



Second: So......instead of pointing me to the actual problem IN THIS THREAD, you're going to dismiss my point as "silly." Oh ok, I guess you win now. HAHAHAHA!

[Gaxhung]

Zy-El did what he (or she) could to try and pry some info, David-The Heartless Bioware Employee-Gaider simply did his job and obeyed his non disclosure contract. (Just teasing you Gaider). Of course if he was polite and said, "I'm sorry, no" then I think there would be more clamoring for a leak from everyone, I mean he could be fired for leaking any info, at the same time he has to fend us rabid sexy fans off.

Anyways, you guys saw the E3 news? Zelda Wii, 2011 baby. And Nintendo 3Ds releaved, ah maybe thats why I'm so mellow right now mmmmMMmmmm.

Modifié par Gaxhung, 16 juin 2010 - 02:44 .

[Jules8445]

I still can't believe people are this worked up about the whole thing. If you ask me...it's a perfect way to make sure the devs don't come on the boards. I mean seriously...you wouldn't be here if you didn't play game. (Well unless you're one of the lovely trolls rearing their ugly head in this thread...but that's beside the point)



If you don't like the way someone talks. Go somewhere else. Seriously. You think they really give a flying who's your daddy what you think? I bet you that after all this flaming David Gaider is going to think twice before coming on these boards and sharing his opinion. /end sarcasm.



The "No" heard 'round the boards was, I think, simply DG giving a "Sten" answer. Obviously a troll who played 10 minutes of the game and went, "ZOMG THS IZ TOTALLY RIPPING OFF ANOTHER OBSCURE UNIVERSE THAT MOST PEOPEL HAVE NEVER EVER HERD OF..." then came on here to flame the boards wouldn't catch the reference...so at least that is somewhat forgivable. I guess But seriously...you don't have better games to play than coming on here and flaming a Dev?



Give me a break. Really. Though, I guess I'm not much better, trolling a troll. It just really frosts my rear that these boards used to be so awesome. Now it's pretty much just troll fodder. Nauseating.

[Rhys Cordelle]

simonsteele wrote...

It makes sense I suppose to forget the old ones, because they're outgrowing video games. Catering to 14 year olds is seriously the way to go. I get it. It sucks when some of us haven't matured enough to quit playing video games and we get the crap being churned out today.

Creating a game with 14 year olds in mind and then slapping an R rating on it would be a pretty poor business decision.

Part of what I love about Dragon Age is it's made for adults. If they were catering to children you wouldn't be dealing with such morally grey (and morally corrupt) issues throughout the game.

[simonsteele]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Actually since there were no other discernable "insults" supposedly hurled by him in this thread, I have to assume that it's that one statement otherwise we're now talking about a couple of immature morons who've decided to hijack someone else's thread just so they can complain about something that could have been better dealt with by personal message.

Or can you point me to some other message in THIS thread that set ya'll off? Doubt it.

Edit: What's with the granny picture anyway? I don't get it.

The person he answered "no" to hasn't cared--but since I am the one who started the argument, I can tell you with absolute certainty this is a response based on what I've seen in other threads over the last couples of days, which I said upthread. The critical thing is you can call it a hijack, but it's not, it's a response to his overall writing in this thread.

Anyway, as Gaider seemed to imply, I did enjoy Dragon Age. I won't replay it because of a couple of massive "fun-blocks" such as the Deep Roads and even the final dungeon crawl. Where I found greatest joy in playing this game was character interaction, and it seems the game is going away from that. It seems. Only time will tell.

Modifié par simonsteele, 16 juin 2010 - 05:16 .

[simonsteele]

Jules8445 wrote...


The "No" heard 'round the boards was, I think, simply DG giving a "Sten" answer. Obviously a troll who played 10 minutes of the game and went, "ZOMG THS IZ TOTALLY RIPPING OFF ANOTHER OBSCURE UNIVERSE THAT MOST PEOPEL HAVE NEVER EVER HERD OF..." then came on here to flame the boards wouldn't catch the reference...so at least that is somewhat forgivable. I guess But seriously...you don't have better games to play than coming on here and flaming a Dev?
.

If you're referring to me saying it ripped off George Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, then I must laugh that because only you haven't heard of it makes it obscure. It is a world wide best selling series. It has spawned numerous spin offs and in the near future an HBO series dedicated to its story. It is anything but obscure, so much so, that when Dragon Age was being promoted before it came out the devs said that is was "inspired" by A Song of Ice and Fire.

The Grey Wardens are a direct rip off of the Nights Watch. Both old orders who protect the world from the Blight or the Others. No one believes them in the books either, and while they're trying to warn the kingdoms, the kingdoms are too busy fighting a civil war after the king dies. There are plot points from Dragon Age that are taken directly out of the book. Jon Snow is Alistair and the Cousland Grey Warden. The Couslands in the books (Starks) all have their own "hound" which is actually a wolf that follows them into battle. It's the same freaking story! And anything but obscure. It is well past inspiration and into the realm of rip off.

Whether or not you're irritated with me, you should go read the books--A Game of Thrones being the first. Not only will you see the similarties but you'll be exposed to some of the best fantasy writing of our times.

And if you won't take my word for it look at this quote from 1up's review:

"It does sadden me that in crafting such a well-made RPG, BioWare leaned a little too
much on its inspiration and tired fantasy tropes. This is the first
fantasy world that BioWare's created from scratch, and at times, the cited influence
of George R.R. Martin's fantastic "A Song of Ice and Fire" series is a
bit too obvious. The Grey Wardens and their sworn enemy, the Darkspawn,
feel a bit too similar to Martin's Night's Watch guarding the realm of
Westeros from the supernatural Others. Political machinations plunge
Ferelden into a civil war -- just like in "A Song of Ice and Fire."

http://www.1up.com/d...age?cId=3176746

And this from page 2 of the "cited influence" link in the quote above:

While BioWare is loath to spoil the specifi cs of its world or characters,
they're open about their infl uences--we hear George R. R. Martin's A
Song of Ice and Fire series spill from more than one pair of lips, and the art
direction takes a note from Frank Frazetta's Conan paintings. Folks utter the
word "dark" at least four dozen times; "mature," "realistic," and "sophisticated"
aren't far behind.

Modifié par simonsteele, 16 juin 2010 - 05:24 .

[wwwwowwww]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an aside: while I understand the desire behind it, just because you enjoyed a story doesn't indicate any sort of promise that it will continue beyond that one story. Take it and its character(s) for what they were, and if we continue them into future stories than awesome-- but we've not indicated our plans one way or the other.

Not to be argumentitive here, as I have no problem with bioware(just EA) , but when a game is titled "Origins" it pretty much implies that it is the beginning of something more. Which, one would rightfully assume, means that the game will carry on over the course of time, expansions and sequals. So while no on came out and said one way or another it is definately implied just by the title. Just sayin:whistle:

[Rhys Cordelle]

It was titled Origins to emphasise the importance of the character origins, but yes I know what you mean. Based on the information that we had, I don't think it was unreasonable to think that the expansion would be extending the main plot.

[wwwwowwww]

Hanz54321 wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

It was titled Origins to emphasise the importance of the character origins, but yes I know what you mean. Based on the information that we had, I don't think it was unreasonable to think that the expansion would be extending the main plot.

This is correct.  Origins was meant to denote that there were several Origin stories that you could play that would affect some aspects of your playthrough.  Dalish Elf Origin.  Dwarf Noble Origin.  Human Mage Origin.  The term "Origins" was not meant to suggest that this as the first in a series of games in which there would be a contiguous storyline with one charcter.

In fact - while I enjoyed the Origins mechanic - I can see from a developer and writer's standpoint where it would be just too much to sustain.  I've no problem going back to choosing your race and class and then regardless you wake up in your bunk in Weissaupt as a new warden recruit and the adventure starts the same for everyone.

I understand fully what it was meant to denote, but what is meant and what is implied or what comes across is something different. When I bought the game I had no idea that Origins was referring to your beginning playthrough storyliine, I interpretted the word as Origins = beginning and thus was the beginning of a new series, it wasn't until I started playing that I grasped it.
I have played many RPG games, but I am not as diehard as most around here seem to be which means I don't know everything about a game before it comes out and I purchase it. Most times I will see something in the store and I'll pick it up, if I like the concept I will try it out.

[Massadonious1]

The inclusion of "choices" doesn't always necessitate the need for continuity. There are plenty of games that do this that never recieve expansions or sequels.



And besides, I went into this game knowing that DA wouldn't be the same overarching trilogy/story that Mass Effect was designed to be. I think a nod to a previous Warden or previous events is warranted in the sequel, but I certainly don't expect a direct continuation from either Awakenings or Origins.

[Master Shiori]

While it's true that continuity was never promised, much less guaranteed, the reason people want to continue playing with the same character is because both Origins an Awakening failed to give a sense of closure (unless you choose the ultimate sacrifice route).
Not only that but, depending on your choices in the game, there are unresolved plot threads left.

Had Awakening given us a clear ending to the Warden's story, nobody would entertain the thought using the same character in DA 2. But when at the end every Warden gets a "His story isn't over" line, even if his every choice up to that point was made with the intention of ending the said story, then you can't interpret it as anything other than devs sending you a message.

Granted they could just be keeping their options open for future titles, but if that is so they shouldn't be surprised if people build up expectations.

KOTOR 1 had clear ending that gave the story and it's characters a sense of closure. When I heard about KOTOR 2 being developed I didn't even entertain the thought of playing as Revan again, because that story had run it's course in the previous game and I was ready and willing to move on.
Same thing for Jade Empire, even though it never got a sequal. If it ever does I wouldn't expect it to contain the same protagonist and his/her companions from the original game.
By comparison, I expected to play as the Child of Bhaal in Throne of Bhaal, because the story lacked closure by that point.
Same for Mass Effect. Even had the devs never said we'd play as Shepard again it's obvious that his/her story wasn't over with the original game, because there were questions left to answer and closure to deliver.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 16 juin 2010 - 07:40 .

[SRWill64]

If they skip the possibility of having a relationship with the other characters, or at least being to talk to them when YOU want to talk to them, not tjust when THEY feel like it (make it more like DA:O), I won't be buying it! If I knew Awakening was going to make me feel short-changed about the limited character interaction with the NPCs I wouldn't have bought it, either!

I HOPE THE DEVS AT BIOWARE READ THIS...I'M SURE I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS!

[SRWill64]

Paromlin wrote...

I have to agree with many of you here; Gaider seems to be communication impaired.
From some of his "interventions" on this forum and elsewhere, but especially here, I got the impression you have to treat him like a sensitive baby bum, with a lot of baby powder and silky gloves, lest he proclaims you disrespectful, arrogant, demanding stuff from Bioware at gun's point etc. Of course, he spices it with a lot of abrasiveness or passive-agressiveness and sometimes you can even detect a touch of hysteria.
Well, at least, he's not getting paid to write this kind of stuff *on the forums*.. which you can't say for S. Woo or C. Priestly, for example.
I must say Bioware is special in this regard. And it's not just Gaider. Most other companies treasure customer's input; be it negative, positive, angry, not angry..
Sure, we shouldn't base our opinion of Bioware on what we see from these few individuals, but one cannot but wonder..


PS. Did I forget to mention he gets a lot of kul points among the teenage demographic on the forums and his romance fans when he acts 'mean'? Maybe that's what he's after?

WHOA! WAY out of line!
I have emailed him and got a very courteous, quick response and the ONLY ego-stroking I did was tell the TRUTH. He is definitely one of my favorite people for doing the job he did, especially with Alistair. Creating such an in-depth character takes a lot of time and talent...not to mention patience, which some ppl obviously don't have.
And if YOU want to talk about passive-aggressive, put yourself in check FIRST!

P.S. Are YOU one of those teenagers? I'm a fan of the Alistair romance and I'VE never had a mean word from him! Hmmmm, go figure.

Modifié par SRWill64, 16 juin 2010 - 08:26 .

[SRWill64]

Ooops!

Modifié par SRWill64, 16 juin 2010 - 08:24 .

[SRWill64]

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Don't forget, David, that regardless of what you do the forums will fill with disappointment and rage.
The internet truly proves the old adage, "You can't please everyone."

Sigh.

Yes, this is true. I can't wait to hear how many dogs I've personally kicked, despite the fact that it's not really up to me what direction the series takes.

I don't care what you do with the game (because I know it will be an awesome story coming from you guys) so long as I can talk to my companions when I want to, not just when THEY want to...and it would be nice to have a little romance in there.

[Gorwath-F]

simonsteele is cleary pissed at  the moment and has to blow some steam off. It's kind of funny that he really thinks his opinion matters...

a well i just don't understand how alot of people think that trolling will compel anyone into "doing" something

Modifié par Gorwath-F, 16 juin 2010 - 08:59 .

[SRWill64]

David Gaider wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...
I apologize if we're giving you a hard time with our expectations, but considering we can only focus on things we currently have in front of us I hope it's at least understandable.

Oh yes, it's just my habit to engage in expectation management. Fans like to build up this "perfect game" in their head which has very little bearing on what's practical, economical or even what we're really thinking for ourselves... and then take it very personally when that game is taken away from them. And until they see what it's been replaced by they'll instead dwell only on what they believe they've lost. Perfectly understandable, and even a bit complimentary in a way (as such emotional engagement should be)... regardless of how headache-inducing it can sometimes be.

And even if people don't like it, you are absolutely right, but there are people who mean it in a complimentary way and others who don't. Those who don't are also probably the types who hold onto old shoes, old vices and old girl/boyfriends and believe they're right and the rest of the world is wrong!

P.S. Enough posting for me tonight...tomorrow's another battle! lol

Modifié par SRWill64, 16 juin 2010 - 09:06 .