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[TheMadCat]

David has got nothing to do with who gets what voice acting roles.

[atheelogos]

TheMadCat wrote...

David has got nothing to do with who gets what voice acting roles.

I know that. I said "guys" meaning the good people at bioware not just him.

[simonsteele]

Well Spell Singer we have to disagree then. I could have sworn you said you quit after the first book, but maybe I misunderstood.



The comparison for Martin fits because the devs said that was a huge influence before the game. But I can't convince you of anything, so no point in trying.



I did find it funny that my roommate, who loves Martin books, and had never heard of Dragon Age, was watching me play it and multiple times he said that those scenarios seemed like they were right out of Martin's books.

[Kwanzaabot]

Huh. I actually found Mr. Gaider's comments to be perfectly reasonable.



(And as someone IN the customer service industry, I can actually sympathise with wanting to defend myself when people act like I owe them something.)

[LadyJaneGrey]

Aren't forumites fun?  Mr. Gaider, Treximet is a fantastic migraine medication.  I always keep it handy for when I deal with my not-so-favorite-people and then need to go back to work.  (And thank you for all your dedication and work - I for one thorougly enjoy it!)

Modifié par LadyJaneGrey, 21 juin 2010 - 07:10 .

[Gaxhung]

Maybe we should reset this thread, lets all agree that we appreciate what moderators do - what he did was he answered a question - and lets all get back to complaining about Awakening



Or else we need to demand moderators address us as "Dear utmost respected customer, your humble servant addresses you as follows:-". Actually ... this isn't a bad idea at all!



(haha j/k don't ban me)

[taine]

David Gaider wrote...

If one wishes to make a superficial analysis you can draw comparisons between almost any major fantasy series. The fact that one can make such comparisons (so long as you omit anything which is inconveniently different) is nothing new-- as you mention, the Lord of the Rings comes up just as often on these forums, as does the Witcher and even the Wheel of Time. One person's "inspired by" may be another person's "ripped off", depending on how much you enjoy the parts that are similar I guess, but either way such superficial analysis is not particularly revealing is it?

I don't really care if things are "rip-offs" of or inspired by something, but you have to admit that final cutscene was more than just a little inspired by the end of the LotR movies. It was practically a shot for shot remake of a certain scene. Not that that is a bad thing. All stories are similar to some other stories that have come before -- you may as well borrow the good parts.

[Spell Singer]

simonsteele wrote...

Well Spell Singer we have to disagree then. I could have sworn you said you quit after the first book, but maybe I misunderstood.

The comparison for Martin fits because the devs said that was a huge influence before the game. But I can't convince you of anything, so no point in trying.

I did find it funny that my roommate, who loves Martin books, and had never heard of Dragon Age, was watching me play it and multiple times he said that those scenarios seemed like they were right out of Martin's books.

I said I quite after reading the first few books...either after book 2 or book 3.

Agreeing to dissagree is fine by me.  The fact that they said it was an influence is well known, that doesn't mean they ripped off actual parts of the book.  Though imitation is the sinsirist (spelling must be wrong) form of flattery, that doesn't seem to be a valid defence in a plagerism trial.  And I doubt that Bioware would have risked a trial to copy directly from Martin's books or any of the other places they are accused of copying from.

But let's take your comment about Jordan ripping off Herbert...I assume here that you mean the aiel.  If you look at in a certain way this is absolutely correct, but the aiel are, as far as their combat ability goes, modelled after the zulu with the exception of their shield.  Just as all the rest of the WoT militaries are modeled after real world ones.  So you see: desert warriors with really good skills and say hey Jordan ripped off the fremen, and I see the zulus set in a wasteland with a jordan-designed culture and  as far as I am concerned not even remotely related one to the other.

I can't comment on what your room mate said since I have no idea what you are refering to specifically. 

[RE0305]

Political correctness and politeness are overrated, while the truth and honest opinions are severely underrated.

Or so it seems...

To me at least...

[Chuvvy]

David Gaider wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Don't forget, David, that regardless of what you do the forums will fill with disappointment and rage.
The internet truly proves the old adage, "You can't please everyone."

Sigh.

Yes, this is true. I can't wait to hear how many dogs I've personally kicked, despite the fact that it's not really up to me what direction the series takes.

You personally kick my grandmother, she has lung and liver cancer. WTF bro?

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Aren't forumites fun?  Mr. Gaider, Treximet is a fantastic migraine medication.  I always keep it handy for when I deal with my not-so-favorite-people and then need to go back to work.  (And thank you for all your dedication and work - I for one thorougly enjoy it!)

I am sorry but I cannot hear you, your voice is being muffled by DAVID GAIDER'S ARSE!

Anyway I have a serious BONE to pick with you Gaider.

I want, nay DEMAND you make Dog a love interest in Dragon Age 2 (get it? BONE? because he is a dog? Ah forget it).

[Paromlin]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

Aren't forumites fun?  Mr. Gaider, Treximet is a fantastic migraine medication.  I always keep it handy for when I deal with my not-so-favorite-people and then need to go back to work.  (And thank you for all your dedication and work - I for one thorougly enjoy it!)

I am sorry but I cannot hear you, your voice is being muffled by DAVID GAIDER'S ARSE!

How dare you!? She thorougly enjoys it!

[BomimoDK]

wow, people here really are posh. As far as i remember, some sensitive ass brought up Gaiders manners some 6 months ago and was shot down because it was so rediculous compared to how much **** he threw himself. now it's become a trend to demand Gaider to shut up and take all the **** we can throw. it's very pathetic. It's funny to see everyone bring forth their 17th century tea slubbering gentleman and start throwing brittish insult after insult at eachother just because Gaider knows more words than you do (he's a ****ing writer, he SHOULD.).
It's become nothing more than a sport for you to take up this show 5 times a thread and some of us are getting tired of it. the man answers you, he agrees, disagrees, shoots down ideas, applause ideas... he discusses with us. but because he's a member of the dev team. people instantly accuse him of being rude when he answers shortly and frank (the only way an answer should be delivered... politic, lawyerish speeches covering whole pages to say the equevillant of no or yes is pathetic anyway). what's up with you guys? could you please pull your cross our of your asses and stop pretending to be all high and mighty divinities. the first thing to assume when discussing at a forum is:

a/ you can share your opinion, but it may be disregarded.
B/ no one likes you or care if you get hurt unless the opposite is stated.
c/ "no" doesn't mean "**** you fan, i hate you" unless it is explicitly stated.
d/ behave like you want others to behave... many forums are just too volatile and immediately think any answer is a personal attack unless it's all fluffy and soft. this is beyond stupid since no one knows who any of us are anyway and should be discouraged. be polite and stop assuming anyone cares enough to offend you when they clearly do not. the world does not revolve around you and every sentence spoken to you doesn't contain secret meanings divulging how people think of you. Cool it, it's really pathetic to look at.

We can keep up the pathetic 17th century roleplay of "how dare you Gaider, i hereby challenge you to duel by rifles at sundown tomorrow evening" and "i do not care for your attitude servant" or we can start behaving like we weren't fed and raised my monkeys and retards and start talking instead of flaming and throwing **** at random over simple neutral words.

To counter my own speech i have one thing to say: oversensitive butthurt ****gots. grow the **** up and come back when you can discuss properly.

There is an abundance of stars in this post.

Modifié par BomimoDK, 21 juin 2010 - 08:27 .

[Arttis]

And you know how to discuss properly?

Modifié par Arttis, 21 juin 2010 - 08:30 .

[BomimoDK]

Arttis wrote...

And you know how to discuss properly?

i admit i often let my inner monkey raised retard loose. but i've never been unreasonable towards a developer or anyone on this forum who behaves properly.

What you give you shall receive tenfold got a new meaning when popular forum behavior kicked off, i can tell you that.

[mildmort]

I accidentally knew why Mr.Gaider had to answer that way.

So I don't think Mr.Gaider's manner is whatever, because I imagene he wouldn't without such reason.

But for ones who don't know the reason might feel unpleasant is pretty understandable in same way.

Making games would be always such reasons I'd imagene, though.



It seemes mixed but that and use unrelated unpleasent feeling among folks to insult one's work unfairly remaining anonymous are another issues.

For the later one there are no so different opinion as I understand.





And this for myself, that time I didn't read the long posts, which is my regret.

[eastoreispos]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an aside: while I understand the desire behind it, just because you enjoyed a story doesn't indicate any sort of promise that it will continue beyond that one story. Take it and its character(s) for what they were, and if we continue them into future stories than awesome-- but we've not indicated our plans one way or the other.

Fair enough.  Maybe next expansion we can focus on combat and deep character customization, I'm continually amazed that this is the same company that produced NWN 1 and 2; and then offer up a pretty shallow character development system/combat in DA. 

Don't worry, I'll buy your DA2.  The only thing that kept me from buying DA:A was some sound bug I got rid off back when I did my first playthru of DA:O that mysteriously returned.  Don't really feel like playing through an entire expansion with my sound echoing during combat, and wasn't really impressed with the DLC, so no expansion this time. 

[GardenSnake]

davidk1991 wrote...

If there's to be another expansion, I'd very muck like to see the return of some of the Origins companions. And the old conversation system.

I second that whole heartedly, but instead of the expansion part just make it the sequal.  Ok fine, throw in Velanna as a romance..... Oh! And get Harrison Ford to voice a character! I'd literally buy two copies of DA2 if Harrison Ford (the most badass scoundrel/archeologist/inventor/president/cop EVER!) was the voice of a character.

[GardenSnake]

[quote]David Gaider wrote...

[quote]Zy-El wrote...
David, could you at least give us a hint as to what is coming next? [/quote]
No.
[quote]
Cold Mr. Gaider, cold.

Modifié par GardenSnake, 23 juin 2010 - 02:44 .

[GardenSnake]

simonsteele wrote...

soteria wrote...

You are a terrible spokesperson for Bioware. Someone from PR should put a leash on you, take away your internet while in the office. Seriously, the things I've seen you post about the future of Dragon Age seems to be completely predicated on the fact that you hate that fans, ie: people who pay you, have opinions about the game. What they liked, what they didn't like. You guys ripped off a lot more than George Martin's story for this game (and I use the term rip off instead of inspire because you ripped him off), you took his attitude against the fans too. If the fans say they don't like something then you pop up on here and say: "So what? I do what I want. And I want to do something you all hate. So there."

Right, because saying "no, I'm not going to tell you what's next, and no, we haven't promised anything so don't try to hold us to your expectations" is clearly expressing hate toward the fans.

I'm sticking with other companies after seeing your comments. I'm willing to give Bethesda another chance after reading these message boards for a couple of days. The Witcher blows away your game anyway, and I imagine the Witcher 2 (where the devs are HAPPY to listen to the fans) will blow away Dragon Age 2.

Didn't you say that in another thread already? I'll shed a tear when you finally leave.

Good. Or, you know, if you're so offended that I don't like this game that ripped off A Song of Ice and Fire, you could put me on ignore or just not read what I write. That's what I intend to do with you, so I don't feel bad when you start crying.

OH ITS ABOUT TO GET ALL STUPID UP IN HERE!!!! -Michael Scott

[GardenSnake]

tmp7704 wrote...

Paromlin wrote...

I have to agree with many of you here; Gaider seems to be communication impaired.

I'd rather say "frank and non-apologetic". Not his problem if people can't take equally well the same treatment they're dishing out.

Honestly, someone blowing a fuse because they got a simple "no" from a dev in answer to a question? Beyond ridiculous.

You can't really blame those people dude, I've watched interviews with Gaider and it seems like he's a really nice guy in person and the kind of guy I could go to a bar with and have a nice friendly chat, but that's reality, this is the internet. Computers can't detect when a person is trying to convey sarcasm or agressiveness or narcissism or whatever..... yet . What I'm trying to say is that you can't blame a person for taking a comment a certain way, it all depends on the person. Maybe when this all started and Gaider said no to a poster, he meant it as a nod to Sten, maybe he was in a bad mood at the time and decided to take it out on the poster for posting a question that had such an obvious answer. Only he knows.

[Kasumimi]

For the guy trolling this thread trying to convince us that the game is a shameless ripoff from some book.

Modifié par Kasumimi, 23 juin 2010 - 04:56 .

[mrmike_1949]

David Gaider wrote...

Just as an aside: while I understand the desire behind it, just because you enjoyed a story doesn't indicate any sort of promise that it will continue beyond that one story. Take it and its character(s) for what they were, and if we continue them into future stories than awesome-- but we've not indicated our plans one way or the other.

What ever happened to the concept "the customer is always right"???  What customers expect and want is what a company better deliver if they want to keep happy customers coming back. Repeatedly ignoring the customers desires will build of a lot of bad karma over time - and it will eventually bite the company that does it.

[Massadonious1]

Did you know the person who coined that phrase eventually went out of business?



It's because he/she was wrong.

[AlanC9]

mrmike_1949 wrote...

What ever happened to the concept "the customer is always right"??? 

The customer is always right, but  a company gets to decide which customers it actually wants. Some people have unrealistic expectations, and it isn't worth it to try and satisfy them.