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[the_one_54321]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Were is this Old Republic in game footage people have been talking about?

There's a couple links three pages back or so.

[Rubbish Hero]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Were is this Old Republic in game footage people have been talking about?

There's a couple links three pages back or so.

I went 5 pages back and theres nothing and the video link isn't letting me skip the 40 minute mark.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 16 juin 2010 - 02:02 .

[Fexelea]

@RB I didn't quite follow your logic there

[the_one_54321]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...
Were is this Old Republic in game footage people have been talking about?

There's a couple links three pages back or so.

I went 5 pages back and theres nothing and the video link isn't letting me skip the 40 minute mark.

Well give these a try:
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch
www.youtube.com/watch

[Rubbish Hero]

Thank you person.
And other person, he believes it will be the best because of steam i.e. because of them not because on the console. For all we know, the Playstation 3 version may still be technically inferior to the xbox360 version as the source engine is built for the pc with the xbox360 basicaly being a pc for poor people.

Edit:  Isn't this really old footage?

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 16 juin 2010 - 02:11 .

[the_one_54321]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Edit: Isn't this really old footage?

It's certainly not the newest footage. But you didn't want to watch through 50 minutes of that.

[Feraele]

Fexelea wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

What was he right about? He said there was no long-term benefit, that the platform was a "total disaster" and that they were not working on it... Yet there he was, saying the ps3 version would be superior to the xbox version. It is irrelevant if Sony gave way to allow steam options (not steam itself), the "lol" moment is there.

Compared to the PlayStation 2 it is, it was advertised as a messia of gaming but it''s sales have been the weakest and many multiplat games have been the weakest on the platform in comparison the Xbox360. Like some sort of epic  poetic justice, after years of the wii being classed as a gimmick, it  has run rings around the xbox360 and PlayStation 3 in terms sales and now both consoles are attempting to emulate it. ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png

Will Wright was right.

www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php

He is specifically saying it will be the best version because of steam,
i.e. there product. Which Microsoft most likely wouldn't allow. It is
better because Valve are superior  human beings, not because Sony or
there hardware is.

But that was not what he was talking about when he was trashing the ps3. He was complaining about the development tools and the infrastructure, going on record to say it was terrible to develop for. It wasn't about sales or the like.

Regardless, it is unimportant "why" he said that the ps3 version would be superior. I don't care if it is or is not. My original comment was that I find it very amusing how his "we will never develop for ps3" ended in a public "eat your hat" moment. It's funny. I do admire that he has the ballz to stand on that stage and say "well I was the ps3 hater, I have come around", and make his company some money.

Make no mistake, I would be finding this equally funny had this situation been the same with MS or Nintendo. The situation is funny.

Thats a prime example of  "never say never"  especially publically. hehe

[Fexelea]

@RH: I don't think you understood my original comment. This has nothing to do with superiority on any console. It has to do with having to take a stage to backpedal on previous flaming on a very public manner: it's funny.

@Faraele: Agreed, I lol'ed so much when the guy took the stage, and I really appreciated the humor he put in it. But this should really teach us all to watch our doom predictions.

[Rubbish Hero]

Fexelea wrote... having to take a stage to backpedal on previous flaming on a very public manner:.

He didn't have too.
Also he didn't really backpedal on any of  his
points beyond not working on the Playstation 3.
The stuff about its'
architecture still holds very true, sales reflect what he was saying,
more people went for an Xbox360 and wii.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 16 juin 2010 - 02:36 .

[Fexelea]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Fexelea wrote... having to take a stage to backpedal on previous flaming on a very public manner:.

He didn't have too.
Also he didn't really backpedal on any of  his points beyond not working on the Playstation 3.
The stuff about its' architecture still holds very true, sales refeclect what he was saying, more people went for an Xbox360 and wii.

He did take the stage and he did backpedal. This is obvious. He had said he would never develop for ps3. Yet there he was announcing a title. That is a lol moment.

You are confusing intention, meaning and result. His comments were never about the sales. His comments were about developers losing money on ps3, which hasn't happened. But this is not what is important. He took the stage and said: "However, Sony Computer Entertainment has proved that the PlayStation 3
is the most open platform of all the current generation consoles and
has worked extremely hard to make the platform the most desirable for
consumers and developers." 

Was he right at the start and has Sony changed? Who knows. But he did say "never" and that he had to take back.

[CmdrFenix83]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...

Wanting "nice graphics" rather than "great games" is rather silly in my personal opinion.  I put more hours into Super Smash Bros. Brawl than any game in my Xbox or PC library.  (Except maybe Civ 4, but that has average graphics as well).  Not to mention the hours I STILL get out of Super Mario Bros. 3 despite it's 8-bit graphics.

And I will be honest and say that my opinion on the Portal bit at the conference is a gut feeling, but honestly, I don't see it being much of a difference.  The important thing here is that it's no longer an Xbox exclusive, which is as big a loss of MS as FFXIII was to Sony at the time.  The important thing is that more people will get to play what is sure to be an excellent game now.  

One more thing about Valve though, where the hell is Half Life 2 Ep. 3?

How about wanting 'nice graphics' combined with a control scheme that doesn't leave you flailing around like an idiot?  The Wii is a system for party games and casual games.  The best part of Nintendo's conference was when the guy demoing the new Zelda game was explaining what he needed to do, and then couldn't accomplish it with the retardedness that is motion controls.

[Rubbish Hero]

Fexelea wrote... His comments were never about the sales. His comments were about developers losing money on ps3, which hasn't happened

They probably are loosing potential money, the games sell nowhere near
the same amount of money as the Xbox360 or wii. In fact i'm pretty sure the highest selling PS3 game, Metal Gear Solid 4, was only about quarter of the sales of Halo 3 and even less when you  compare wii titles. . His  comments regarding the SPE was absolutely correct, especially for multplatform games. It is a  fact most multiplatform games are better on the xbox360 than on the  Playstation 3 due to the consoles architecture with very few exceptions. When Gabe Newell came on stage, what he was speciically talking about  what Sony allowing third party, not that he has backtracked on the technology, I don't even think he brought it up. I garentee you the reason for this is due to Microsofts attitude. If there is one thing we have learned, it's that Valve are great, and even though the Playstation 3 may be more difficult to get  a quility closer to the pc or Xbox360, he should probably get a round of applause for going on stage and trying.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 16 juin 2010 - 03:33 .

[Fizzeler]

So what is being showcased today?

[xCirdanx]

Busomjack wrote...
I don't really care about console VS PC. I compare games, not platforms. What I do resent though is PC gamers blaming consoles for the dumbing down of games when it is really their own damn fault.

Interesting...care to explain the "it is really their own damn fault" part?

[bushes289]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The best part of Nintendo's conference was when the guy demoing the new Zelda game was explaining what he needed to do, and then couldn't accomplish it with the retardedness that is motion controls.

The Zelda demo didn't work because of the "retardedness of motion controls", it didn't work because there was too much electronic interference from the audience. Plenty of people have stated that the controls worked great when they tried the demo.

[Ghost Lightning]

xCirdanx wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
I don't really care about console VS PC. I compare games, not platforms. What I do resent though is PC gamers blaming consoles for the dumbing down of games when it is really their own damn fault.

Interesting...care to explain the "it is really their own damn fault" part?

Can't we all just get along?

[VampireCommando]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

xCirdanx wrote...

Busomjack wrote...
I don't really care about console VS PC. I compare games, not platforms. What I do resent though is PC gamers blaming consoles for the dumbing down of games when it is really their own damn fault.

Interesting...care to explain the "it is really their own damn fault" part?

Can't we all just get along?

E3 = War

Nuclear war where only the strongest survive, I.E.;

[xCirdanx]

Ghost Lightning wrote...
Can't we all just get along?

fine for me.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

bushes289 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

The best part of Nintendo's conference was when the guy demoing the new Zelda game was explaining what he needed to do, and then couldn't accomplish it with the retardedness that is motion controls.

The Zelda demo didn't work because of the "retardedness of motion controls", it didn't work because there was too much electronic interference from the audience. Plenty of people have stated that the controls worked great when they tried the demo.

This.  There hasn't been a single complaint from the floor.  My guess is some poor tech guy who helped set up the on stage demo is getting fired though.  

Motion controls can work very well as a supplement to traditional controls. Resident Evil 4 Wii, Twilight Princess, Okami, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime 3 all prove this. However, every game that tries to fully replace traditional controls has failed, miserably.  This is why Kinect doesn't really interest me, and Move doesn't really either, as it appears to be far too similar to the Wii to be of interest.  

[xCirdanx]

Archdemon Cthulhu wrote...
Motion controls can work very well as a supplement to traditional controls. Resident Evil 4 Wii, Twilight Princess, Okami, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, and Metroid Prime 3 all prove this. However, every game that tries to fully replace traditional controls has failed, miserably.  This is why Kinect doesn't really interest me, and Move doesn't really either, as it appears to be far too similar to the Wii to be of interest.  

It is similar, they are trying to do same basicly.

As i see it, the Wii is so successfull not because it´s inovative, but because it´s "retro" in some sense. The Wii is basicly the game hall at home. You know, arcade gaming with a (wireless) joystick, a gun, skateboard, etc with games that are just for fun and not "look it´s hd, look it´s so deep"..games are just fun. I´m sure i´m not the only one who was playing in game halls when they were "in".

Something the other two won´t achive i think. Also, Kinect, Move and 3D..it will take long before a decent game comes out that actualy will be able to really take advantage of that..and then it may(!) be a problem because of the standart and not upgradeable hardware.

my opinion on this.

Modifié par xCirdanx, 16 juin 2010 - 07:21 .

[the_one_54321]

We used to call them arcades, and yes I can see how the Wii recreated that feel at home. But that's all fairly casual as well. The most user intensive games you saw at those were fighting games, and to a lesser extent the rail shooters. I don't want to go back down that route.



I want more games like Baldur's Gate, and Dragon Age which was intended to be lake a modern Baldur's Gate. Or like FFXIII with gameplay visuals so breathtakingly beautiful that you weep tears of blood.



Games should be impressive and fun. Not just one or the other.

[Nihlus Kryik]

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Halo: Reach looks to be an incredibly fun co-op experience with the 4-man Spartan squads, not to mention the addition of ship-to-ship space combat.
.

couldnt agree more with you dude!

join halo fans united,here at the forum

[xCirdanx]

the_one_54321 wrote...

We used to call them arcades, and yes I can see how the Wii recreated that feel at home. But that's all fairly casual as well. The most user intensive games you saw at those were fighting games, and to a lesser extent the rail shooters. I don't want to go back down that route.

I want more games like Baldur's Gate, and Dragon Age which was intended to be lake a modern Baldur's Gate. Or like FFXIII with gameplay visuals so breathtakingly beautiful that you weep tears of blood.

Games should be impressive and fun. Not just one or the other.

I´m with you, believe me i want that too. But i can´t imagine a Super Mario Kart with realistic graphics, as an example. (that´s probably NS without the fun elements anyway..*dodge*) just for the wii.

Ah Baldurs Gate, it was not only great because Bioware made it, but also because of the AD&D system. Which had you thinking the whole time. How do i counter this spell? With what weapons can i breach that protection etc. A good cRPG has to have either a great combat system, or a great "decision system" Bg had both..kinda. Or take Deus Ex..combat was not so great..graphics not so great..but you could play the game as you wanted. That was an excelent rpg, but only a moderate shooter.

When it comes to Dragon Age, i think David Gaider hit the nail, it should not be compared to BG2, but more to BG1, now that makes me interesting about DA2..however, the combat hack/slash style doesn´t fit my style.

I have high hopes that the Witcher 2 will bring both..great story with great graphics (and an improvet combat system.)