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[Shadow_broker]

Optimystic_X wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

I still hope they include at least one male ss romance in ME3 since as a gay male, I dont like or want to be involved in hetero relationships in RL or in my imaginary ones.

so my shep in ME1 stayed single. In ME2, single.
Definitely feels like I missed content.

heres hoping for even one in ME3.

Amen, and ditto.

(Hoping it's Thane or Garrus here.)

Characters who are already straight should not be turned gay, add new LI if theres going to  be S/S romance

[earthbornFemShep]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

I still hope they include at least one male ss romance in ME3 since as a gay male, I dont like or want to be involved in hetero relationships in RL or in my imaginary ones.

so my shep in ME1 stayed single. In ME2, single.
Definitely feels like I missed content.

heres hoping for even one in ME3.

Amen, and ditto.

(Hoping it's Thane or Garrus here.)

Characters who are already straight should not be turned gay, add new LI if theres going to  be S/S romance

Well, it is hard to say if they are straight or not since Shepard never really had the chance to ask them.  Some had opposite sex relationships but they could be bisexual.  Garrus, for example did express sexual interest in female turians, but we would have never known his interest in human females if femShep didn't proposition him.  Same for others.  For that matter we don't even know Dr. Chakwas, Zaeed's, or many other non-LIs sexual preferences. So, some existing characters could be gay.

[PsyrenY]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Characters who are already straight should not be turned gay, add new LI if theres going to  be S/S romance

Sigh.

Has been with girls != straight. I've been with girls, and am in fact quite gay.

[Siansonea]

earthbornFemShep wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

I still hope they include at least one male ss romance in ME3 since as a gay male, I dont like or want to be involved in hetero relationships in RL or in my imaginary ones.

so my shep in ME1 stayed single. In ME2, single.
Definitely feels like I missed content.

heres hoping for even one in ME3.

Amen, and ditto.

(Hoping it's Thane or Garrus here.)

Characters who are already straight should not be turned gay, add new LI if theres going to  be S/S romance

Well, it is hard to say if they are straight or not since Shepard never really had the chance to ask them.  Some had opposite sex relationships but they could be bisexual.  Garrus, for example did express sexual interest in female turians, but we would have never known his interest in human females if femShep didn't proposition him.  Same for others.  For that matter we don't even know Dr. Chakwas, Zaeed's, or many other non-LIs sexual preferences. So, some existing characters could be gay.

And we're back to the "existing characters can't be gay" argument. Once again, for the hundredth time, if an existing character expresses an interest in same-sex relationships, when previously they had only expressed interest in opposite-sex relationships, that character is then revealed to be bisexual. Presumably the character would still be open to opposite-sex relationships, as well as the newly revealed interest in same-sex relationships. So the argument that "existing characters can't be gay" is an inaccurate depiction of the situation for starters, and a deliberate misinterpretation of what we are suggesting.

[Babli]

I always wanted s/s romance for Thane and Tali. Dont know why Bioware cut them off I hope it will be possible in ME 3... if they will be in my squad...

[Wittand25]

Folks, calm down. ashadow_broker actually just mentioned NPCs not the PC Shepard. Wanting the existing NPCs not to develop attraction towards a Shepard of the same sex is totally fine. I know that I would have prefered if Tali would not have started to lust after MShep.

While I agree that it would not break continuity for several of the NPCs to develop attraction towards Sheppard that someone prepares that the hopefully included s/s option in ME3 is someone new is not something to get offended by.

Considering that every single male squadmember of ME1 and 2 can be dead in ME3 any fully developed m/m romance will have to happen with new squadmembers anyway.

[Siansonea]

Wittand25 wrote...

Folks, calm down. ashadow_broker actually just mentioned NPCs not the PC Shepard.

Yes, we know. But this 'argument' keeps coming up over and over and over and over and over. Clearly we would all want an existing character to be treated very carefully if they were expanded to become open to romance to both sexes. It is not any more game-breaking than Tali's sudden human-loving tendencies. Doesn't her responsibility to the quarian people (something she harps on constantly) make it incumbent upon her to choose a quarian mate, rather than go haring off with some human dude? To me, someone like Kaidan expressing a newfound interest in ManShep is much less of a left-field alteration/expansion of the character.

Wanting the existing NPCs not to develop attraction towards a Shepard of the same sex is totally fine. I know that I would have prefered if Tali would not have started to lust after MShep.

Same here. But guess what? She was included as a romance option anyway. No skin off my nose, I just avoid that romance option. Someone who doesn't want s/s can do the same.

While I agree that it would not break continuity for several of the NPCs to develop attraction towards Sheppard that someone prepares that the hopefully included s/s option in ME3 is someone new is not something to get offended by.
Considering that every single male squadmember of ME1 and 2 can be dead in ME3 any fully developed m/m romance will have to happen with new squadmembers anyway.

The fact is everyone except Liara can die in the two games. But chances are if someone was interested in a same-sex option for a given character, that character is alive at the end of the suicide mission of ME2 for that person's game. So if the only m/m option is Thane, for example, it's a safe bet that people who are interested in Thane kept him alive. And even if this were not the case, it just gives the player an excuse to do a new ME2 playthrough to import into ME3. To use the fact that someone can die as an excuse not to invest time in developing that character is to argue that ME3 should not include any of these characters in a significant way. To me, that's a vote for all new squad characters + Liara. I would vote for all of the existing characters to be expanded and integrated into the story in ME3. And if one of those expansions happens to be a character having bisexual tendencies, that's great, as long as it's done intelligently.

[BeastMTL]

I'd really love it if they introduced a male asexual race like they did for females with asari.
Why, simply because I could cram it in the faces of all those that said asari wasnt f/f since their asexual
yeah I know I'm being petty, but turnabout would be fair play 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Modifié par BeastMTL, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[Siansonea]

BeastMTL wrote...

I'd really love it if they introduced a male asexual race like they did for females with asari.
Why, simply because I could cram it in the faces of all those that said asari wasnt f/f since their asexual
yeah I know I'm being petty, but turnabout would be fair play 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

It might be a little bit tricky for an all-male race to perpetuate beyond one generation, what with the lack of females and all...

[Wittand25]

Siansonea II wrote...
The fact is everyone except Liara can die in the two games. But chances are if someone was interested in a same-sex option for a given character, that character is alive at the end of the suicide mission of ME2 for that person's game. So if the only m/m option is Thane, for example, it's a safe bet that people who are interested in Thane kept him alive. And even if this were not the case, it just gives the player an excuse to do a new ME2 playthrough to import into ME3. To use the fact that someone can die as an excuse not to invest time in developing that character is to argue that ME3 should not include any of these characters in a significant way. To me, that's a vote for all new squad characters + Liara. I would vote for all of the existing characters to be expanded and integrated into the story in ME3. And if one of those expansions happens to be a character having bisexual tendencies, that's great, as long as it's done intelligently.

The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.
How the squad-members of the previous two games will be part of  ME3 is something that is discussed in other threads in the spoiler section and is only marginally important here, but if the reaction to LotSB has taught us anything it is that even a continued romance with a not permanent squad-member can be satisfying and that it is not important for a former LI to return as full squad-member to have a meaningful relationship with Shepard. So I believe that the ME2 LIs will get a Liara like role in ME3 (hopefully already in the game and not as  paid DLC again) and hat there will be room for both new squad-members and new romances.

[stewie1974]

Siansonea II wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

I'd really love it if they introduced a male asexual race like they did for females with asari.
Why, simply because I could cram it in the faces of all those that said asari wasnt f/f since their asexual
yeah I know I'm being petty, but turnabout would be fair play 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

It might be a little bit tricky for an all-male race to perpetuate beyond one generation, what with the lack of females and all...

Seahorse males give birth.....
Duck bill plataypus is a mammal that lays eggs....

for every rule there is an exception.

Random: If it's a rule that there is an exception to every rule , is there an exception to that rule?

Modifié par stewie1974, 17 septembre 2010 - 08:42 .

[Siansonea]

stewie1974 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...

I'd really love it if they introduced a male asexual race like they did for females with asari.
Why, simply because I could cram it in the faces of all those that said asari wasnt f/f since their asexual
yeah I know I'm being petty, but turnabout would be fair play 

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

It might be a little bit tricky for an all-male race to perpetuate beyond one generation, what with the lack of females and all...

Seahorse males give birth.....
Duck bill plataypus is a mammal that lays eggs....

for every rule there is an exception.

Male animals don't produce oocytes. Male seahorses don't produce the eggs that they fertilize and carry. Neither of these species could exist without females. And the platypus example is particularly unwarranted, given that it is still the female platypus that lays the eggs.

But this is a joke suggestion anyway. Not worth debating in any detail.

[Fleaisbackwoot]

Em23 wrote...

It would not segregate straights from gays, it would simply make it clear that you are selecting to flirt with anyone, not just someone of the same sex.
Bioware are doing something similar in dragon age 2 - symbols indicating the tone of dialog options.

hmm interesting so you are saying when they told people in the south that this part of the staduim was for blacks and the other part was for whites...that wasnt segeration?! by making it an active choice to say either you want s/s or not is segeration...if its not a free flowing convo where shep has to say through dialogue (NOT color-oriented) that they are not interested...if you really cant tell when a relationship is about to reach the next level or not then thats your problem...but in ME2 there was clear times when you, (the gamer) can tell when its time to either push this relationship to the next level or not...but to say that having color or object oriented dialogue schemes for the idiot-impaired then that is just dumbing down the game for kids to play when they shouldnt play mature games...(note: M is for mature content with gamers being 17+ or older) I think the romance mechanics as of now are fine the way they are but if (and thats a pretty big if) they include s/s for some established characters (with probably no explaination) to satisfy the lack of s/s romance then great but do not do the color text suggestion because that is simply a bad idea (with good intentions) or the symbol/object oriented mechanics because you are simply taking the romance mechanics and sophisication and dumbing it down for people who really shouldnt play rpgs because they will not understand it...All i am saying is that is a bad suggestion and to tell me that you and other people in this thread that you honestly couldnt tell when you get into a sexual relationship with a person in me2 is (in my mind) a little farfetched..sorry if i offended anyone

I believe they point being made was that you would not have to change maleshep's personality at all.
Homosexual is not a personality type.

then why did it seem that that elf in Dragon Age that his sexuality was very much a part of his personality? just seems to me that bioware goes with the stereotypes...the ultimate badass (renegade) taking no sh!t from no one motif...the Law-biding sweetheart hero who (just my view and i know its not everyone's view so dont bash me) the guy/girl who saves the day (or in this case the galaxy) then goes back to his home (the normandy) and makes love to his girlfriend or her boyfriend) meaning no s/s (and i already talked about liara and her sex and I along with many other people her sex with fem shep does not really count) so if shep was to go gay, would bioware continue to stereotype the gay men as that elf and the gay women as a strong feminist/butched? (no offense) 
I hope if they include the s/s factor that you people want so badly then please dont change the game so its doesnt reach its full potential...thats all i ask...i personally like the game as it is and i would hate to see it end terribly because a few gamer-requested features be added in...have a good day everyone and i hope yall take care peace
"Flea signing out"

[Siansonea]

Fleaisbackwoot wrote...

*snipped*
hmm interesting so you are saying when they told people in the south that this part of the staduim was for blacks and the other part was for whites...that wasnt segeration?! by making it an active choice to say either you want s/s or not is segeration...if its not a free flowing convo where shep has to say through dialogue (NOT color-oriented) that they are not interested...if you really cant tell when a relationship is about to reach the next level or not then thats your problem...but in ME2 there was clear times when you, (the gamer) can tell when its time to either push this relationship to the next level or not...but to say that having color or object oriented dialogue schemes for the idiot-impaired then that is just dumbing down the game for kids to play when they shouldnt play mature games...(note: M is for mature content with gamers being 17+ or older) I think the romance mechanics as of now are fine the way they are but if (and thats a pretty big if) they include s/s for some established characters (with probably no explaination) to satisfy the lack of s/s romance then great but do not do the color text suggestion because that is simply a bad idea (with good intentions) or the symbol/object oriented mechanics because you are simply taking the romance mechanics and sophisication and dumbing it down for people who really shouldnt play rpgs because they will not understand it...All i am saying is that is a bad suggestion and to tell me that you and other people in this thread that you honestly couldnt tell when you get into a sexual relationship with a person in me2 is (in my mind) a little farfetched..sorry if i offended anyone

Fair enough. You are happy with the current system for pursuing romance, which allows some room for the player to misinterpret the guide text. Nothing wrong with that viewpoint, one could argue that it is more naturalistic.

I believe they point being made was that you would not have to change maleshep's personality at all. Homosexual is not a personality type.

then why did it seem that that elf in Dragon Age that his sexuality was very much a part of his personality?

Zevran is one character in another game. Just because this character exists does not mean BioWare can only do gay/bisexual characters using this personality model.

just seems to me that bioware goes with the stereotypes...the ultimate badass (renegade) taking no sh!t from no one motif...the Law-biding sweetheart hero who (just my view and i know its not everyone's view so dont bash me) the guy/girl who saves the day (or in this case the galaxy) then goes back to his home (the normandy) and makes love to his girlfriend or her boyfriend) meaning no s/s (and i already talked about liara and her sex and I along with many other people her sex with fem shep does not really count) so if shep was to go gay, would bioware continue to stereotype the gay men as that elf and the gay women as a strong feminist/butched? (no offense)
I hope if they include the s/s factor that you people want so badly then please dont change the game so its doesnt reach its full potential...thats all i ask...i personally like the game as it is and i would hate to see it end terribly because a few gamer-requested features be added in...have a good day everyone and i hope yall take care peace
"Flea signing out"

You want the same thing we want, for the character's established personality to remain consistent. This goal is not impossible to reconcile with an inclusion of same-sex romance for Male Shepard. We would all be very disappointed if Male Shep starts a romance with a same-sex partner and suddenly becomes a Zevran clone for the rest of the game. Personally, I think that is a rather unlikely scenario, and hardly cause for alarm. I certainly don't think this very unlikely possibility is any reason to oppose the idea of same-sex romance in the game.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 17 septembre 2010 - 10:16 .

[BrianWilly]

To add to that, we've already seen many of the cut same-sex romantic dialogue for Ashley, Kaidan, Tali, and Thane, and they would have played much the same as a heterosexual romance would have.  Shepard doesn't all of a sudden turn into a stereotypical gay just because he was romancing the same gender.

And along those lines, Zevran's romance played out the exact6 same for female players as it did for male players.  Zevran is Zevran, he isn't the way that he is because he is also attracted to males.  It's illogical and unfair to assume that a person is going to have to act a certain way, romantically or otherwise, because of their sexual determination.  A romance between Shepard and Tali plays out very, very differently than a romance between Shepard and Jack, because they are two very different people.

Wittand25 wrote...
The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

Ehh, I know I wouldn't mind.

The only way for people to see romantic content with Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara in the third game is for them to play through both games (including the DLC for Liara) in the first place.  So is it an "unreasonable amount of effort" for anyone to go through if they want to romance those characters, one of whom is the only lesbian romance so far?  Not necessarily.  From a certain perspective, it might even be viewed as rewarding the long-term player for their dedication, comparable to...I dunno, a special armor that you can only get if you played through all the games.  Except it's, y'know, love scenes.  I can understand if people would just rather a new character for ME3, though, since it skirts the need to have to play the games over again.

[DanaScu]

BrianWilly wrote...

To add to that, we've already seen many of the cut same-sex romantic dialogue for Ashley, Kaidan, Tali, and Thane, and they would have played much the same as a heterosexual romance would have.  Shepard doesn't all of a sudden turn into a stereotypical gay just because he was romancing the same gender.

And along those lines, Zevran's romance played out the exact6 same for female players as it did for male players.  Zevran is Zevran, he isn't the way that he is because he is also attracted to males.  It's illogical and unfair to assume that a person is going to have to act a certain way, romantically or otherwise, because of their sexual determination.  A romance between Shepard and Tali plays out very, very differently than a romance between Shepard and Jack, because they are two very different people.

Wittand25 wrote...
The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

Ehh, I know I wouldn't mind.

The only way for people to see romantic content with Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara in the third game is for them to play through both games (including the DLC for Liara) in the first place.  So is it an "unreasonable amount of effort" for anyone to go through if they want to romance those characters, one of whom is the only lesbian romance so far?  Not necessarily.  From a certain perspective, it might even be viewed as rewarding the long-term player for their dedication, comparable to...I dunno, a special armor that you can only get if you played through all the games.  Except it's, y'know, love scenes.  I can understand if people would just rather a new character for ME3, though, since it skirts the need to have to play the games over again.

Shepard's personality doesn't change no matter which romance [or none] is followed. Why would that suddenly change?

I'm going to have to do one ME playthrough to get a game to import with Kaidan. After listening to the conversations when you go to the Council with them, I keep finding myself picking the practical observant soldier type over the philosopher type. Add in the Carth flash-backs, and the deck is really stacked against Kaidan in my games....

[Boombox]

Wittand25 wrote...

The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

I've never thought about it like that before.. You make a very good point. Kaidan would be a perfect s/s romance option for ME3. Most of the hardcore shooter fans and those who're afraid of 'the gays' would've either left him to die in ME1 or started in ME2 with male shep. So he won't be in the majority of their games in ME3 anyway and they'd never have to experience s/s content. I'm not saying this is the ideal way for s/s content but at this point I'll really take anything..

[ElitePinecone]

Boombox wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

I've never thought about it like that before.. You make a very good point. Kaidan would be a perfect s/s romance option for ME3. Most of the hardcore shooter fans and those who're afraid of 'the gays' would've either left him to die in ME1 or started in ME2 with male shep. So he won't be in the majority of their games in ME3 anyway and they'd never have to experience s/s content. I'm not saying this is the ideal way for s/s content but at this point I'll really take anything..

This is an interesting point. I too never considered that the default MShep in ME2 starts with Kaidan having died on Virmire, or that many original ME players would have left him there anyway (and presumably saved Ashley).

I suppose, from this perspective, implementing an s/s romance in ME3 with Kaidan would only make it available to a relatively smaller amount of players - only those who had played through the original game and kept Kaidan alive on Virmire. Literally all of the non-imported ME2 maleShep savegames would have killed Kaidan (by default), which is presumably a vast number of players.

I'd tend to think, then, that this makes a Kaidan s/s option in ME3 relatively 'easier' because only a niche amount of players (and ME1 players, at that) would ever have imported him into ME3. The chances of a person uncomfortable with homosexuality stumbling on such an option would be relatively smaller compared to if a new ME3 character became a s/s option - simply because many such people would've presumably left Kaidan on Virmire or may not have even bought ME1 at all (presumably a large portion of the future ME3 player base). 

[MisterDyslexo]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Boombox wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...

The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

I've never thought about it like that before.. You make a very good point. Kaidan would be a perfect s/s romance option for ME3. Most of the hardcore shooter fans and those who're afraid of 'the gays' would've either left him to die in ME1 or started in ME2 with male shep. So he won't be in the majority of their games in ME3 anyway and they'd never have to experience s/s content. I'm not saying this is the ideal way for s/s content but at this point I'll really take anything..

This is an interesting point. I too never considered that the default MShep in ME2 starts with Kaidan having died on Virmire, or that many original ME players would have left him there anyway (and presumably saved Ashley).

I suppose, from this perspective, implementing an s/s romance in ME3 with Kaidan would only make it available to a relatively smaller amount of players - only those who had played through the original game and kept Kaidan alive on Virmire. Literally all of the non-imported ME2 maleShep savegames would have killed Kaidan (by default), which is presumably a vast number of players.

I'd tend to think, then, that this makes a Kaidan s/s option in ME3 relatively 'easier' because only a niche amount of players (and ME1 players, at that) would ever have imported him into ME3. The chances of a person uncomfortable with homosexuality stumbling on such an option would be relatively smaller compared to if a new ME3 character became a s/s option - simply because many such people would've presumably left Kaidan on Virmire or may not have even bought ME1 at all (presumably a large portion of the future ME3 player base). 

On this note, is Ashley alive if you start a non-imported game as a female shepard? Because then that could also work the same way (although more people probably saved Ashley, since people are more likely to romance Liara as a female than male, leaving less reason to save kaiden)

[ElitePinecone]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

On this note, is Ashley alive if you start a non-imported game as a female shepard? Because then that could also work the same way (although more people probably saved Ashley, since people are more likely to romance Liara as a female than male, leaving less reason to save kaiden)

Edit: Same-gendered character dies on Virmire in default ME2, not opposite. 

For a default ME2 Shepard with no save-game import, the same gendered character dies on Virmire - so Kaidan survives for femShep, and Ashley survives for maleShep.

The interesting thing is that with the gender ratio of players' Shepards skewed towards something like 80:20 in favour of male Sheps (at least in ME2), some or many of them being 'default non-import male Shepard' (in ME2). there's a whole lot more Ashleys running around in the virtual galaxy than Kaidans - especially if we consider that many ME players with male Shepards would have saved Ashley anyway on Virmire, 

Given all this, and given the seeming preference for male Shep in the player base, a s/s romance for femShep with Ashley may even be easier (if 'ease' means less unintentional exposure) than one with Kaidan and mShep - since possibly even less "femShep with Ashley surviving" save-games exist compared to "mShep with Kaidan surviving" ones. Only 20% of Shepards are female to begin with, and an even smaller percentage of these would have Ashley as the Virmire Survivor - compared to 80% of male Shepards with an unknown number of Kaidan surviving save-games. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 19 septembre 2010 - 02:47 .

[Wittand25]

ElitePinecone wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

On this note, is Ashley alive if you start a non-imported game as a female shepard? Because then that could also work the same way (although more people probably saved Ashley, since people are more likely to romance Liara as a female than male, leaving less reason to save kaiden)

Edit: Same-gendered character dies on Virmire in default ME2, not opposite. 

For a default ME2 Shepard with no save-game import, the same gendered character dies on Virmire - so Kaidan survives for femShep, and Ashley survives for maleShep.

The interesting thing is that with the gender ratio of players' Shepards skewed towards something like 80:20 in favour of male Sheps (at least in ME2), some or many of them being 'default non-import male Shepard' (in ME2). there's a whole lot more Ashleys running around in the virtual galaxy than Kaidans - especially if we consider that many ME players with male Shepards would have saved Ashley anyway on Virmire, 

Given all this, and given the seeming preference for male Shep in the player base, a s/s romance for femShep with Ashley may even be easier (if 'ease' means less unintentional exposure) than one with Kaidan and mShep - since possibly even less "femShep with Ashley surviving" save-games exist compared to "mShep with Kaidan surviving" ones. Only 20% of Shepards are female to begin with, and an even smaller percentage of these would have Ashley as the Virmire Survivor - compared to 80% of male Shepards with an unknown number of Kaidan surviving save-games. 

My point is that a s/s romance with an existing NPC (except Liara of course) is less likely to happen in ME3 because all of them can be dead. Content gets developed for the players and developing content for such a limited audience (just those who want that content and have the right imported savegame) will not happen. A new NPC that everyone has access to is better on the cost/benefit ratio than spending resources on something that not everyone who want to see, is actually able to see it. While in the DA forum, a writer mentioned that the number of players who persuaded a MWarden/Zevran romance would surprise some, limiting the audience further is not a good thing, Ok Kaidan could be made available for a newly created Shepard in ME3, if Bioware does not set a default background but gives the opportunity to decide at least some points of Shepards past, or one of the default survivors of ME2 could develop attraction to Shepard. But that would still screw those who want s/s- romances and had the character killed in their main safegame and force them to start with a new Shepard.
My dream scenario would be a full developed romance with a new NPC and a chance to hook up with Kaidan if you kept him alive on Virmire.

[ElitePinecone]

I agree with you totally - it does make more sense to introduce new ME3 characters precisely because so many of the ME/ME2 ones could be dead (and for Kaidan, it's at least a 50% chance).

[Poaches]

I assume that's why many who wanted the ME' romances wants it in some DLC form before ME3, in the manner not dissimilar to Liara's treatment.



Anything else will have to come at ME3's time.

[Foulpancake]

I agree with alot in this topic, lack of SS romances in ME2 was disappointing to say the last after they were so prevalent in DA:O. I was downright appalled and even nearly stopped playing the game before beating it with lack of my Liara. Thankfully that has been remedied mostly (though all we got was a fade to black..../sigh) but i agree, on another playthrough without my preloaded LI i would have loved to court the luscious Miranda...but no dice as a femshep...no love...



Heres to hoping they lose the jitters that put brought the PG-13 romance in ME1 to barely a PG in ME2

[PsyrenY]

Wittand25 wrote...
The only way to keep Kaidan and Wrex alive as MShep is to play through both games. A s/s romance with them would require anyone who wants to experience the content to by the other two games (if he/she does not own them) and then invest dozens of hours in a play-through just to be able to even start the romance, and that is expecting an unreasonable amount of effort from the players just to see the content.

I can't speak for everyone obviously, but I'm willing to bet most of the people in this thread would be willing to do exactly that for a m/m Kaidan romance. (Or any m/m romance at all, really...)